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  1. Not really. Jon aligned himself with Stannis who was the legitimate heir to the throne. That supersedes the claim of Boltons as Wardens of the North, a title which was NOT given to them by a legitimate ruler.
  2. Daenerys is a better conqueror, but she makes for a terrible ruler. She steps into societies that have existed for thousands of years and which she does not understand, and proceeds to enforce her rules through terror. She has no idea what she is doing or what the effects will be. Sure enough, the entire land is soon consumed by war, starvation, and disease. This is all on Daenerys.
  3. All the more argument that what Ned was doing was foolish. If half the realm knew, then Robert knew as well. He simply chose to block it out. Ned was never going to accomplish anything other than bring down disaster on his family by putting these things in the spotlight.
  4. When rereading Game of Thrones, I am realizing a lot more than before that Ned was a righteous fool. What did he hope to accomplish even if the king's children were illegitimate? There was no way to prove it and the king claimed them as his own. It was done and gift wrapped.
  5. One big question is why would Westeros need Daenerys at all? All that she brings with her are dragons and Dothraki hordes to unleash on the population. Clearly, no matter how she proceeds, there will be a terrible war when she arrives. On a continent that was never really her home and one that is trying to forget that her ancestors ever existed. There is no indication that her rule will be anything other than a rule through terror as lords of Westeros will not go to her side willingly.
  6. It is a reread, although it's been about 7 years since I finished the last book and I didn't even realize how much I forgot in that time. I read up a little bit that the prevailing theory is that it was Joffrey who sent the assassin to kill Bran. It doesn't really make sense as he had no motive. I am now even more convinced though that it was Cersei. Jaime would not go along with the plan to send an assassin so she acted alone without telling him. The dagger that LF lost in a bet was won by Robert - the king. It makes perfect sense then that Cersei would have the assassin use that dagger. It would be traced back to the Baratheons and they would fall out with the Starks. Bran would be silenced and at the same time a conflict would arise that would be VERY beneficial for the Lannisters. Ned Stark would not become Hand of the King and there might even be a war. This way all the pieces fall into place and make sense.
  7. Wait, what? From what I recall, Tyrion didn't choose to marry her, he was forced into it. Neither did she want to marry him and Tyrion knows it. Tyrion gives her space and never demands for her to fulfill wifely duties, which I think is more than 99% of Westerosi men would do.
  8. He's still the queen's brother, Tywin's son, and a very wealthy man. Easily among 10 most important people who arrived at Winterfell with the king. Even if the other Lannisters hate him, and not all do as Jaime has genuine affection for him, should he come to any harm, he could easily be a pretext to conflict. Besides, very few men are wholly without ambition, even if they pretend not to care for the time being. The important part is LF owning up that the attempted murder weapon used to be his. From that point on it's crucial to trace what happened to the dagger afterwards and confirm Petyr's story in the first place. There were presumably some witnesses to the bet at least. LF's small lie could have been discovered almost immediately, which would lead to further questions. I think they did have reasons, but agree to disagree I guess
  9. Tyrion has proven to be a better ruler than anyone else in a very short amount of time. And he did that while having limited influence and a lunatic boy king on his back.
  10. That's part of their failure though. The king's visit to Winterfell was the most momentous event in years. Starks had an opportunity to meet the movers and shakers of the realm or get to know them better. Even though Tyrion was an outcast of the family, he was still a Lannister and had a lot of influence. They should have taken a measure of him at least. LF's story about the bet was super important though. That was a lead to follow and if they scrutinized it, then Renly's comment later on would not have gone unnoticed. That's the problem, they didn't pursue the lead, they just foolishly assumed it was Tyrion.
  11. LF would not be behind it as he wouldn't know that Bran was going to fall and would have to be silenced. However, LF's story related to the dagger should be scrutinized because it's an important clue for the Starks to follow. It's not like they have much more to go off of. I am still rereading the first book, but to me it seems fairly clear that the person behind the assassination attempt is Cersei. She knows that Bran might talk when he wakes up (the only other person who knows is Jaime), and she also hates Tyrion with a passion. Jaime would not conspire to frame Tyrion so it must have been her acting alone. I don't see what business Mance Rayder would have in killing Bran. That's what I have been saying all along, and it's also what Tyrion says to Catelyn. It literally makes no sense that he would be behind it and Starks should be aware enough to realize that. If not immediately, then after giving it some thought.
  12. I understand that Catelyn really wanted to find the guilty party. I am also not saying that she should not believe LF's story about the dagger. After all, he is not saying that Tyrion tried to setup Bran's murder, only that LF was the original owner of the dagger and he lost it in a bet to Tyrion. There is nothing implausible in that story itself. He may be implying that Tyrion was involved, but he doesn't state that outright. On reflection though, it should occur to Catelyn (or Ned) that it was unlikely that Tyrion would give that dagger to an assassin who spoke and acted like an utter simpleton. Or that he would equip an assassin with an identifiable dagger at all, whoever he might have been. Tyrion tells Catelyn as much when she kidnaps him later on. He also tells her another bit of information, that he never bets against his family, however they may treat him. This gives Catelyn a momentary pause, but then she persists in believing what she wants to believe. Ned also misses the crucial tidbit of information when Renly implies that Tyrion, if he were there, would have bet on Jaime in the joust, contradicting LF's story. So Starks were not very good at listening to people and analyzing motives. It lead to their undoing.
  13. See my post at the end of the previous page. Renly implied that Tyrion bet on Jaime Lannister in the joust where he allegedly won the dagger. Petyr claimed that Tyrion won by betting on Loras Tyrell.
  14. I suppose it's a big part of what the story teaches, that absolute rule by one person is extremely dangerous and almost always ends badly. Even if by some chance the current king happens to be benevolent, odds are that the next one will not be so. At the same time, not much can be changed in the world that we see. It's not a society ready for any complex form of government. There is some democracy at play when choosing the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, as brothers actually vote to elect a new leader, but there is no thought that something similar could extend to the entire land. No practical possibility either. The next logical step would be a monarch elected by the nobility and perhaps he would have powers curtailed by his small council as some form of proto-checks and balances. It would be a small step, but a step forward nonetheless.
  15. I read further now and yes he did: Meaning that Tyrion had bet on Jaime in the joust, not on Loras Tyrell. Tyrion also confirms this when he talks to Catelyn. He said that he would never bet against his family and also brings out the reasonable point that he would not arm an assassin with an ornate dagger. The Starks were fools
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