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  1. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    1. Comparing Dany's gift of dragon glass as goodwill (cost nothing and irrelevant to everyone on the island and had been ignored for centuries) to Jon kneeling as goodwill (lost title as KotN, arguably would lose confidence from certain Northern lords, and made him the King that kneeled [which is a title that stuck with torrhen since he did it regardless of whether it was a good decision of bad]) is kind of a ridiculous comparison. My only issue is Jon's whole intent of kneeling to Dany was because it was necessary to "save and unite the North." But there was arguably more of a basis to kneel to Stannis in order to "save and unite the North" for the war to come. 2. And that is all perspective. Dany is a good person depending on what side you are on. Dany's side (shes great and frees the enslaved and is working to make everything better) and not Dany's side (she is literally upturning the norm/culture that has worked for centuries [slavers bay but I'm not arguing slavery is a good thing] or is causing more chaos [westeros was at peace largely after War of 5 Kings]). I mean, Stannis gave choice of not being burned (ie convert to my faith or burn). The same was done with Dany (convert to my vision of the world or my side of the war or burn). No argument that Stannis was cruel but he wasn't overall a bad person. obviously burning people and killing your daughter was bad but Stannis was probably the only main character (outside of Ned and John) that cared about the rule of law in a consistent manner and later turned into a religious fanatic. I would say that is what made him seem like a cruel man, instead of say raping individuals, murdering/torturing lower lords and you know attempting to assassinate people but that's just me. 3. Just to sum up how that argument is ridiculous. Stannis was fighting for crown but not lawful king of Westeros [ie had the crown at that time] and since Wildlings weren't citizens of Westeros he had no control nor did he have a right to demand control. But Tarly swears loyalty to Warden of the Reach, which is subordinate to his loyalty to the ruling King of Westeros but Dany has a legal right to demand submission. Just confused how Stannis, literally in the same position as Dany except with a better claim [ie oldest brother of the recently deceased king], can't claim control over an invading wildling army that entered his borders but Dany, an invading force, can now claim title over a Lord that has sworn loyalty to the King above his warden b/c the warden of his kingdom had?
  2. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I'm aware of all that. I'm just speaking in the sense of his kneeling to Dany. He did because he thought it was the most practical way (which is confusing b/c he already had her support without kneeling) to save the North. At the time Stannis saved him, staying in the NW wasn't the most practical way to save the North. The Noth was divided and he knew the best way to defeat the WWs (at the time) was to unite the North. I understand the oath. All I'm saying is if were being practical, the best time to kneel for Jon was to Stannis and not to dany in my opinion.
  3. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I wonder if when he revived the dragon the NK was like, "ya he looks too alive, we need to put holes in his wings for effects, possibly scrap some skin off to show some bone." That'll scare em
  4. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I mean they could always just offer the other dragon as a truce so the NK can deal with the true enemy in the Great War, Hotpie.
  5. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    ...And at the rate that dragon is deteriorating, he'll be riding a skeleton dragon mid way through season 8.
  6. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    hahaha peasant.
  7. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    Mel is just a red priestess living in world she is just ages ahead. I mean she is probably the secret behind this whole time traveling thing by her creation of magic ubering. And she gained all this power by killing Shireen. Wisest thing she ever did.
  8. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    ya, I agree. The fast pace is taking away from everything, which is fine cause the show is basically cool fights but otherwise cliff notes for how the book ending goes. Arya as a faceless assassin is fine for me since she never achieved being a facelessman. By that I mean, like inducted into the actual order and all that because she clearly learned how to do it. So, her killing LF so publicly was a bit odd but I feel like that was done because LF has worked in the dark for so long and it felt good to see all his crap come to light in front of others. I think a more suitable outcome for Jon/Dany should have simply been an alliance. Dany wants to rule the 7 kingdoms but she doesn't even know what that means. I mean at this point she has only traveled to Dragonstone/ Kingslanding and then North of the Wall and nowhere else. Would have preferred an agreed upon truce and then conflicts arising when they start falling for each other and then when his true parentage is learned. It would be funny though if Jon never really learned his parentage and just carried on as Jon Snow after its been this huge deal for so long.
  9. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I mean clearly it was a magic pocket lol. its invisible just like her actual body.
  10. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    You're asking way too many questions that could never possibly be explained in a in a D&D show outside of maybe a 20 second conversation but I digress. But I forgot about the whole necklace thing not being on and her still staying as herself. So, I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say the necklace was in her pocket.
  11. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    Lol I always wondered if Mel just accidently pressed that "button" and turned into her old self during any of her sexual persuasions.
  12. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I hear you on your point and agree on how this would be logical but this would open the forum up to more talk of Jon (Aegon) taking on FAegon's plot in the books I feel like.
  13. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    But the problem is Jon wasn't related to Melisandra. See he is only attracted to another woman and willing to make a bastard if its through someone related. A key dialogue that Jon had off screen and were never supposed to know until Dany gets pregnant. Very similar to D&D's take on the WF drama this season lol.
  14. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    Well to be fair, Jon said Theon wasn't stabbed in that moment because of what he did for Sansa. Same as Jon didn't kill Melisandra, I'm assuming, because she raised him. Also, I don't know why Davos just jumped to being Jon's right hand man after Stannis death. I like him as a character and the way he says stuff but that was never really explained unless I'm misremembering
  15. Sir Dingleberry

    Can we talk about Jon?

    No, I agree with you. I'm just trying to think about the reasoning for how it played out in the show. I think the main reason for how it happened is time constraints, which is their own fault. Along what you're saying, if anyone had any sense it would be Jon (slow the NK and hold off in the North for as long as possible) and Dany (just defeat Lannisters and unite bottom half of Westeros). I mean as you said Jon has made every decision in the North and Dany has made every successful decision in the South. Under that plan, Dany would have conquered the South and moving to join Jon after like 2 episodes lol.
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