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  1. Aemon Darkbrother

    Targaryen-Baratheons - How fiery is the blood of the stag?

    Sorry I was on the phone typing, I should have been clearer. What I meant to say was that I suspected George was/is purposefully conflating these ideas. Kingsblood = Magic blood Magic blood= Dragon Blood and Dragon blood/Cotf Blood= Same thing. The real world/in world medieval concept serving as a cover for such truths. It's true that the history is too unclear at the moment to find any more clues of substance on the matter. The tale of Jace's trip up north does seem to add weight behind Eddard's words to Robert. Words that frankly I wouldn't take lightly considering Robert's own ties to the dragon. If one found that line of dialogue to be taken literally, if not by Ned, then by our author, this union would be an excellent place to point as the parallel to Jon's possible conception are definitely there. We can only glean so much from a story told from the perspective of southern gossip and the only real places we can hope to learn anymore would be through a future Bran POV or, as you say, Dunk n Egg.
  2. Aemon Darkbrother

    Targaryen-Baratheons - How fiery is the blood of the stag?

    House Strong comes to mind. George tells us a tale of a son of Rhaenyra who forges a strong bond with Eddard's ancestors. While we know the prince ultimately losses his life, the whole forbidden union angle between him and Sara Snow is so very reminiscent of Jon's possible origin that you can't help but wonder. Did a descendant of Sara find they're way back into the main branch of house Stark? Yeah you can see how it would be such an easy thing for GRRM to conflate the two, king's blood and magic blood. Yes Mance is an interesting one to tackle. Pure speculation here but I often wonder if magic in Asoiaf really is just one thing with many names. More specifically if we're talking magic blood could we really be talking blood of valaryia or even something similar but even older? The children with their arguably reptilian features masked in mammalian language and their pale hair and wild beauty, is it possible that to have the blood of the first men is no different than to have the blood of our Targaryen/ Baratheon kings? Dala and Val who are supposedly strong with the blood of the fist men, where does their beauty really come from? Or even if one looks to Craster, with his pale hair , sheepskin clothing and incestuous lifestyle could the blood of the dragon flow through him? Is "Kings blood" strong in the north? Belief is a funny thing when it comes to magic. How many people have to believe your king before the magic sets in? Is it really Mances kingship that gives Aemon Steelsong his power? Did jon really remove "Kingsblood" from the equation by placing baby Monster in Mel's hands?
  3. Aemon Darkbrother

    Targaryen-Baratheons - How fiery is the blood of the stag?

    It's really that simple, Renly's words are inconsistent because George hadn't actually worked out a definitive Baratheon family tree. He just knew that the there was going to be additional unions of the dragon and the stag, after Orys. Personally I'm of the mind that magical kings blood is really just dragonblood. Hence princess Rhaelles blood in Stannis has actual significance outside of the political , namely in regards to Mel of course.
  4. Aemon Darkbrother

    Rules of inheritance

    The dance answers that question. Normally it would be the lords son. However if the daughter had enough political and marshall backing, she could put up a fight. There are also many other factors that play into it. Like who has the more compelling leaders on their side. If say the daughter has a son who is a great warrior and leader compared to her brother who say is just a little boy. Some lords are sexist, traditionalists or just plain calculative (which side will benefit my house the most?). There are also houses that would simply choose to honor the wishes of the lord himself even if that lords chosen successor contradicts thousands of years of precedent. If the lords family was unhappy or felt that the decision was unlawful, they'd take it up with the king. Unless he WAS the king as was with house Targaryan. Then it's just a matter of whos in the better political/marshall position when the king dies, as I mentioned before.
  5. Aemon Darkbrother

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    Very well could be, imo. It's not so hard for me to wrap my brain around considering all the crazy concepts in george's story. Rhagear must have had some experience with this sort of thing. All this talk of Rhaegars rubies really make me suspect that the man was much more knowledgeable than we give him credit.
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    Personally, I think Jon is of the line of Queen Rhaella and Bonifer the good. Danaerys is the daughter Aerys Targaryan and Ashara Dayne. The PTWP could be a daughter of Jon (Aegon) and Danny. Thus the PTWP would indeed be of the line of Aerys and Rhaella albeit not in the way we expected. Mance could very well be Rhaegar in glamor. The gift of prophecy might explain Mances driving motive for uniting the wildings beyond the wall. I think that if we end up seeing Jon kill Mance, it'd only strengthen the theory as it would parallel the story of Bael the Bard.
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    The Murder of Baelor

    Agreed. Baelor was completely losing it, at that point. The circumstances of his death might also serve as one of the many instances in which George gives us his views on how religion can drive some to unimaginable lengths. I'd disagree as the ship on which Aegon III abandoned Viserys was literally named the 'Gay Abandon'. Then of course there's the infamous letter written by Samantha Tarly. In which she teases the young king with the prospect of introducing him to some l good looking boys. Now how much lady Sam was aware of is a matter of debate. It's the fact that George includes these ideas in his narrative that warrants suspicion. It's worth noting that Larra left Kings Landing around 139 and Dareon I was born around 142. Aegon needed heirs and assuming he really was a homosexual, the idea of turning to his brother doesn't strike me as far fetched. Daenaera and Viserys were childhood friends as well as in-laws, it's worth remembering and closer in age with one another than to their respective spouses. With Lara gone and Daenaera without a husband to provide a certain level of intimacy, it's not hard to imagine them falling into each other's arms at some point imo.
  8. Aemon Darkbrother

    The Murder of Baelor

    I'm of the mind that Baelor very well could have been the natural son of Viserys, on account of Aegon possibly being a homosexual. Not only do I doubt any foul play on Viserys part but I very much buy the idea of Viserys working tirelessly behind the scenes to keep Baelors schizophrenic reign in-check (pun intended). As already stated, Aegon IV is the likely candidate, outside of Baelor had having simply taken his piety too far. Its interesting that you mention the death of Viserys as I've always considered the kingship to only be one aspect of Aegons motivations for a possible murder. I often wonder if Aegon blamed his father for driving away his mother (despite that very much NOT being the case) and harbored a resentment that only grew as the years passed. Sad thing is I don't believe Viserys would have gone as far as passing over Aegons claim in favour of Dareon. Maybe a threat here and there but ultimately I feel as though what makes the whole ordeal sadder is that here you have a man (Viserys) whos dealt with the burden of rule for almost his entire life and died possibly at the hands of his first born son by the women he loved. Remembered as being a jealous uncle who served as the shortest reigning king despite being one of the greatest monarchs house Targaryen has ever produced.
  9. Aemon Darkbrother

    A+J=T v.9

    Tbh im not sure where your getting any of that from and it just seems like stretch your putting to much thought into her words here . Her point was simply that the true "second Tywin" of the family wasn't his "first born" but rather Tyrion. She's worried because at that time, Tyrion was an enemy to house Lannister and was on the loose. Tyrion has it in him to bring them all down and she's worried. I can find plenty of dialoge with stronger hints pointing to Cersei and Jamie being Targs. If this is supposed to be proof of him being Tywin's seed I'd say it's kinda weak... You expect these characters to be carbon copies of one another, when they are not. I was just making the point that if you want to look to the past for characters who parallel Jamie, those two would be some of the strongest ones to do so. I don't think the fact that they're both Targs is also something one should overlook. If you can't see the strong parallels between Jamie and those two men, then I'm not sure if there's any point in arguing over it. Gennas one of the few people in the world that know Jamie best, as is emphasized in the entire chapter. Yes Jamie joined for Cersei but I don't think it was ever a hard choice (as he admired the KG) and more importantly is that he chose to stay in white inspite of his father's disaproval. In this way Jamie is definitely like Kevin whom himself is fiercely loyal to House Lannister. “You were the one who taught me that a good threat is often more telling than a blow. Not that Joffrey hasn’t tempted me sore a few hundred times. If you’re so anxious to whip people, start with him. But Tommen . . . why would I harm Tommen? He’s a good lad, and mine own blood.” Tyrion killing tommen would have been going overboard. He was just playing the part that Cersei wanted, in order to make her think she was in control. “Whatever happens to her happens to Tommen as well, and that includes the beatings and rapes.” If she thinks me such a monster, I’ll play the part for her. In regards to Tywin's thoughts on Tyrion, I'd agree that he suspected Tyrions parantage but I don't feel as if he actually ever got confirmation, as it would have been impossible to test (save for with dragons). I believe Tywin was aware of the Cersei and Jamie rumors even accepts that it may be true (the guy spent 20 years around targs and he knew Aerys better than anyone ) but Tywin would never admit to it out loud. He's able to accept the possibility that Cersei and Jamie are not his, because they are everything a father could want in Lannister heirs and the realm wouldn't know of his shame. Tyrion on the other hand is an ugly creature. The walking and talking reminder of everthing bad in his life. Tywin can't even try to pretend Tyrions his and if Tyrion really was born with dragon malformations than it would have been even harder for him to not be reminded of Aerys every time he looked at him. As I've said before I think the tragedy of their relationship is that Tyrion was truly is seed, dispite his connection to Aerys. “Dragons,” Moqorro said in the Common Tongue of Westeros. He spoke it very well, with hardly a trace of accent. No doubt that was one reason the high priest Benerro had chosen him to bring the faith of R’hllor to Daenerys Targaryen. “Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of all.” ". . . but every little girl needs a big brother to protect her. Tywin was big even when he was little.” She gave a sigh. “Who will protect us now?” Jaime kissed her cheek. “He left a son.” “Aye, he did. That is what I fear the most, in truth.”"
  10. Aemon Darkbrother

    A+J=T v.9

    Gemma likens Jamie to all to his uncles while claiming Tyrion to be more of Tywin's son. Jamie is a proud knight of the Kingsguard - Tyrion was born to rule. Jamie has more of Daemon Targaryen and Aemon the Dragonknight in him. Both of whom I see as having strong parallels to the Kingslayer. Jamie's words as quoted above, serve to show us jamie's creeping guilt over Tywin's death and how he can't hope to rely on him now that winters near, just as Gemma alluded to. We know Grrm does indeed sometimes chooses to pass on traits to characters directly from their fathers and mothers and there no reason to assume that this couldn't apply to Tyrion and Cersei. When it comes to nurture, id have to argue that Tywin's lessons did nothing to make Tyrion more like Tywin rather all it did was reinforce the idea that Tywin hated him for being a dwarf. Its because Tyrion had Tywin's problem solving skills (inherited and/or learned) that he knocked down any challenge he was faced with. Imo Tyrion didn't kill his dad because of fear of looking weak....he did it because he genuinely wasn't sure if his father would actually refrain from executing him and send him to the wall because he was never sure if Tywin ever loved him or not. This is essentially the tragedy of their relationship . The rest is just Tyrion trying to pretend that what he did was justified and that he was unbothered by what he'd done, despite being so (basically all of ADWD).
  11. Aemon Darkbrother

    A+J=T v.9

    I disagree, imo Tyrion is cut from the cloth Tywin, Viserys, Jaehaerys etc. And aunt Gemma's words to Jamie where both literal (unbeknownst to her) and figurative. Jamie is not another Tywin, no matter how much Tywin wanted him to be. He's a man of honor, at heart. Its Cersei who's her fathers daughter. She wants to believe shes Tywin but shes really just a stupid and vain individual like Aerys once was. The deaths of her children/imprisonment will bring her to the same point her father reached.
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    A+J=T v.9

    Joanna was said to seldom visit the red keep, not that she shunned it all together... I took Rhaellas actions to mean that she wanted her friend safe from her husbands grasping hands and so it would make sense that Joanna would try to avoid the capital. But Tywin's occupation there would have most definitely required the occasional visit. If on one of said visits, the expected happens ( Aerys, bitter and angry over Rhaellas failed pregnancies, decides to finally claim Joanna) then Cersei and Jamies conception is a definite possibility imo. Aerys may have been jealous not necessarily of the twins but rather of Joanna's fertility. In my view, Tyrion is a walking case of the human-human chimera phenomenon. Mismatched eyes and hair etc. Hes a dragon with three parents and a true half man, half bastard, half true born. Grrm seems to point to both Tyrion being Tywin's 'writ small' while also being a son of the dragon via symbolism as well as nods to his ancestors whose footsteps he may follow into ala Visaerys ll. Tyrion is the legacy of both Tywin and Aerys, whos own lives were greatly affected by one another.
  13. Aemon Darkbrother

    [SPOILERS] Jaehaerys and Alysanne

    So, I've started to wonder if George has forshadowed the fates of Jon and Daynaerys. Aegon lived for threes days. Could 3 days be the length of Jons death? Danny dying via the shivers possibly hinting at danaerys becoming an ice queen character or simply being killed via ice magic? Ultimately after finishing this half, Ive just found the lives of Jaheareys and his family to be incredibly tragic. Particularly characters like Rhaena and Alysanne. Like damn dude...talk about demoralizing stuff haha.
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