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  1. They kinda laid the foundation for it already in season 4(?) when Bran told the ghost story about a cook who was punished by the gods for killing a guests son and baking him into a pie which he proceeded to feed the guest with. He wasn't punished for murder, but for breaking guest right. I can see this happening in the books as well.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    He just wanted her to continue conquering so he could stay as her consort. (And it was a jab at how she's better at conquering cities than ruling them.) While there's some foreshadowing from characters in this show, there's also a lot which isn't. I wouldn't take anything Daario said as foreshadowing.
  3. Since the books won't come out this century, I doubt it matters.
  4. Exactly. The whole "built on a lie"-scene does end with Bran stating that Jon is the "heir to the Iron Throne". There's no hidden agenda or meaning, and it's not setting up a big reveal next season about how Robert truly did lie in order to justify starting a war. (Well, of course there could be, but my money is on isn't.)
  5. Doesn't the dothraki (as in "all" of the dothraki) follow her though? They're a people.
  6. Yes, look at it from the perspective of someone who hasn't read the books, watched the show several times and spent uncountable hours discussing Game of Thrones on the internet: Most viewers (as in the "casuals" who only look at each episode once, maybe twice) didn't see R+L=J coming, don't really know who Rhaegar is ("is he the one that Drogo killed?") and are generally confused about how Jon and Daenerys are related. ("are they cousins or siblings?") I'm starting to believe that people on these boards are overthinking the "built on a lie"-scene.
  7. We don't. We simply know what Robert/The show has told us what people know about Lyanna/Rhaegar. It's not impossible that he lied in order to start a war (maybe he wanted to become king and used Lyanna as an excuse), but we haven't seen anything indicating this so far in the show, so it's doubtful that we'll see anything in that regard in the last season. Not that it would matter at this point either since pretty much everyone who would react to it in some way are already dead.
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    Characters we will never see again

    Possibly warden of the Riverlands if the show decides to go down that route in the next season. Or he might be killed off in some strange fashion, which would would make the Tullys join the Tyrells and Martells in extinction -> another broken spoke on the wheel. As for his alleged son with Roslin Frey, he might be forgotten (by D&D) or killed of at the same time. Not sure by whom though, as we know nothing of the Freys or their allegiances since Arya killed most of the adult men. The White Walkers perhaps? Perhaps Jamie will meet up with Edmure and the remaining Tully/Frey forces on his way north. Wouldn't that be a hilarious reunion considering their last one in S6.
  9. Robert didn't rebel because he got cuckolded. Robert rebelled because he thought that the woman he loved was kidnapped and raped. While saying "Roberts rebellion was built on a misconception" doesn't have the same ring to it, its closer to the truth. "Lie" is a bit exaggerated (since no one actually lied to him, he simply didn't know the truth), but fits the dramatic narrative that D&D wanted to push. If Lyanna had someway told Robert that she didn't love him and that she wanted to be with Rhaegar, he might not have rebelled (at least not then and there), but knowing Robert he would probably have told himself that she was lying and/or was forced by Rhaegar to say the things she said, and so he would've rebelled anyway. Robert did love his killing after all. Personally I think the whole "lie"-sentence is stupid and should've never been uttered in the first place. It fills no purpose.
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    Characters we will never see again

    The Faceless men are a killer-cult. Ja'qen let Arya of the hook because he knew she would offer many names to the Many-Faced God if he let her leave, and he was right. If he had tried to stop her then and there, she would either die (leading to the MFG loosing out on plenty of future sacrifices) or he would die (again, leading to the MFG loosing out on future sacrifices.) There was no real reason for him to stop her, from his own point of view. He's no one, and her potential slights against his temple weighs little compared to her future sacrifices to his god, and she had put the Waifs face on the wall before leaving. Arya may be a rogue Faceless Man, but she's still a Faceless Man, and every kill she's made in the last couple of seasons is a sacrifice to the MFG, at least in Ja'qens mind. Edit: So with that in mind, I highly doubt we'll see Ja'qen in the last season.
  11. This is something I've been thinking about for some time, and there doesn't really seem to be a general consensus on the matter. How good a swordsman is Jon supposed to be in season 7? His skill has improved over the course of the series, Jon of season 7 is a much better fighter than he was when he got his ass kicked by Karl Tanner in season 4. He definitely has swordsmanship in his blood, both of his parents where good fighters in their own right. He's fought and survived several battles (Hardhome, BotBastards, the Wight-raid), partly due to plot-armour but also due to his own skill. He evidently has no problems defeating wights, regular soldiers, and even a White Walker poses little actual threat to him in a 1v1. (With that said, we don't really know how good of a fighter a White Walker actually is, they seem to rely more on the fact that they're immune to mundane weaponry than actual martial prowess.) Ramsay comments about Jons swordsmanship in S6E9: "I keep hearing stories about you bastard, the way the people in the north talk about you you're the greatest swordsman that ever walked. Maybe you are that good.", and Ramsay wasn't exactly a slouch in combat himself. So how good is Jon compared to other renown westerosi swordsmen of history? How good is he if we only compare him to people who are currently alive?
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    GOT characters based off

    .... Heh. Don't forget that said exile also bridged an alliances with the Starks ...Yorkists by marrying one of them.
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    Why do the smallfolk support Cersei?

    Smallfolk =/= population of Kings Landing. We haven't seen any smallfolk actively cheering for Cersei. The vast majority most likely don't know and/or don't care, as long as they are left in peace. Those (few) who know what she's done probably don't like it but...what can they do? We got a glimpse of what some of the smallfolk (at least in the Riverlands) think of Cersei: The merchants don't care whats going on as long as it's good for business. Hotpie heard that Cersei had destroyed the Sept of Baelor and killed everyone in it, but had trouble believing it. Hotpie's stance is probably pretty common. Rumours spread, some fake, some real, and the smallfolk either ignore them, distrust them or believe them but can't really do anything about it other than spreading the rumours to more people. The Ed-Sheeran-company of Lannister soldiers also gave us a glimpse of how little the regular infantryman knows about what's actually going on, and that they just want to go home to their families. Your average peasant knows way less and is perfectly happy not getting dragged into something that will put them, their homes or their food at risk. As Jorah put it in S1:
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    Make Armor For Daenerys

    In that scenario, she'd be dead even with armor and fighting skills.
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    Dany’s sins verse Stannis’

    A lot of people, especially the people who matters, know about Jons death and resurrection: Lady Sansa Stark, current ruler of the North. Tormund, leader of the Free Folk. Eddison Tollett, current Lord Commander of the NW. Bran, the Three Eyed Raven. Samwell Tarly. Daenerys Targaryen. Melissandre. Berric Dondarion. We haven't explicitly seen Arya, Tyrion or Jorah getting knowledge about it, but we can assume that they know as well. Random peasant #23561 might not know, but who cares? Cersei might not know, but who cares and what's she gonna do about it? It's not like her ledger is clean anyway.
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    Make Armor For Daenerys

    That makes no sense. You might wear armor because you can fight, not the other way around. Fighters need protection because they intend to get stuck in the middle of the brawl. Daenerys is not a fighter, neither does she intend to become one: she's a dragon rider, what can she do up close that Drogon cant, even if she started to train? As for the armor itself, if she falls of Drogon or if Drogon crashes into the middle of the undead army the armor would do diddly squat anyway.
  17. They swept Dorne under the rug due to the negative backlash from the viewers. We might see Ellaria rule it in the end (I hope not) but I wouldn't be surprised if there will be no mention of it what so ever in S8. As for the Reach, most likely Sam. He's from a noble family, owns Heartsbane and is BFF with the future King of the Seven Kingdoms, so the NW-vows are of no consequence, even if we assume that the NW will still be a thing in the end of S8.
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    Make Armor For Daenerys

    The (in-universe) answer is probably that she doesn't actually want to wear armour. Perhaps she thinks it will weigh her down and so make it harder to stay on Drogons back. Perhaps her being so heavily influenced by dotharki culture makes her look down on armor. Perhaps she considered it but ultimately felt it was pointless since Drogon will cover 99,9% of all incoming shots anyway. Perhaps all of the above. We'll find out in S8 if it will be her downfall or not.
  19. No one mentions it because it's a false rumor. Kit and Emilia have never dated, at least according to themselves, and why would they lie about something like that? They are very good friends however.
  20. I've seen a lot of comments lately that Jon and Danys romantic relationship is rushed, forced and/or pure fanfiction. Be it on this forum, in youtube-comments, reddit, etc. I think these statements are wrong and that their relationship is actually one of the better, if not *the best* written and developed romantic relationship in the entire series. I'm gonna break down why I think so. Beware: long post incoming. So, how when exactly does Jon and Dany start having feelings for each other and why? First off, it's worth noting that time passes off-screen as well. It can be hard sometimes as a viewer to estimate how much time passes between scenes and episodes, but Sansa tells us in episode 6 that she hasn't "heard from Jon in weeks". This means that Jon has communicated with her sometime after leaving Winterfell, but also stopped, probably after arriving at Dragonstone. This means that it's safe to say that Jon is a "guest" at Dragonstone for quite some time, most likely several weeks. We don't know exactly how many, it could be 3, or 7. Point is that the show leaves plenty of time for Dany and Jon to actually develop feeling for each other, it's nothing that happens over the course of a few days as some believe. If you're around someone you like and are attracted to for several weeks, chances are you'll start developing emotions and feelings for said person. It's worth mentioning that Jon and Ygritte shared screen time for 26 minutes before they slept together. Meanwhile, Jon and Dany has shared screen time for 35 minutes, and they've only held hands. It's also worth noting that both Jon and Dany are masters of repressing their feelings and hide their thoughts and emotions from onlookers. Out of the two, Jon is better at this though, which is also shown in the show, by the fact that Dany let's on first. Jon has a strong sense of duty and purpose, and probably the highest willpower in Westeros, and in his mind, the most important goal is to defeat the Night King. Unlike Robb, Jon won't let love distract him, even tough Jon technically is single while Robb was promised to another. We know for a fact that Dany and Jon have romantic feelings for each other by the end of episode 5. By this stage Dany's emotional defense has already started to crack, and she has done two attempts (albeit half-heartedly) to show Jon her feelings for him by this point. Perhaps she doesn't realize it herself yet, except for on a subconscious level. Jon doesn't reciprocate her advances though, which she wrongly interprets that he doesn't love her. I actually believe that Dany was sincere when she said that "Jon Snow doesn't love me" to Tyrion in episode 6, she truly believed that he didn't at that point. So how did it all progress? We start in episode 3 with their first meeting. It doesn't start well, and it shouldn't. Dany does her usual "Submit to me, I'm the rightful Queen"-speech wich usually makes people either threaten or submit to her. Jon does neither, which she finds intriguing. She doesn't like him at this point, but she doesn't dislike him either. If anything, his "well-mannered defiance" makes her curious about him, this man from the north who she probably hasn't heard much about. Jon on the other hand, shows some seriously bad diplomatic skills, which Tyrion points out later in the episode, but he's never rude or disrespects her. When he asks if he's her prisoner, it has a "matter-of-fact" vibe to it. In the next scene, they talk alone. Unsurprisingly, they find it easier to talk to each other when there's not a room full of people watching them. There's some more disagreements, but Dany takes the first step at improving their relationship with the Dragonglass, and Jon can barely hide his surprise that she's willing to give him something he wants without asking for anything in return. Dany, who's already curious about Jon, get's even more curious by his comment regarding him not liking what he's good at (which is a trowback to what Ser Barristan Selmy told Dany about her brother Rhaegar earlier: He was good at killing, but he never liked it) and throws a curious glance at Jons back when he leaves. End of episode 3 - They are friendly to each other, and both are curious about the other. Not really any romance worth mentioning going on as of yet. In episode 4 their relationship improves further. Dany trusts Jon enough at this point to leave her guards behind, and why shouldn't she? He's never been hostile to her and only ever treated her with respect (but without being submissive.) In the cave Dany's resolve weakens somewhat when she see's the paintings. She still wants Jon to submit, but now she's trying to reason with him instead of simply demanding that he submits as she did back in episode 3. Jon now brings up why he can't bend the knee (fear of loosing the respect of his peers), instead of just saying that he won't. We also get to see Jon showing some feelings for Dany the first time during this scene, when he eyes her constantly every time she looks away or looks at the wall paintings. Davos brings this up later in the episode ("I noticed you staring at her good heart"), and Jon doesn't deflect but freely admits that he is eyeing her out. He also states that there's no time for that kind of relationship with Dany. He's interested, but he doesn't want to be distracted. After the cave-scene Dany looses her temper with Tyrion when he brings the bad news. It's debatable if she's being unfair to Tyrion, but he is her hand and it was his plans that went to hell. Surprisingly, Dany turns to Jon for advice. She trusts and respects him enough at this stage to ask for his opinion. Not only does Jon give her advice that she heeds, but he also manages to quickly soothe her fiery temper. Jons ice soothes Danys fire, which is quite beautiful to see. After this, no more attempts at making Jon bend the knee. End of episode 4 - Relationship improves. They are not only friendly to each other, but they now also trust each other. Both have at this point secretly shown interest in the other. No romance as of yet, but something is definitely growing. In episode 5 things are starting to happen, and we get to see Dany show her feelings for Jon during this episode, even if she barely acts on them. Dany is clearly affected by Drogon and Jon having a moment. She's surprised and intrigued by what happens, and finds it very attracting. This has been confirmed by the showwriters as well, Dany found the fact that Jon could bond with her dragons extremely attractive. Like a single mother who brings home a new man to meet her kids for the first time, and find that they get along very well. During their small-talk later, Jon is eying Dany out again when she's not looking, and what could've been a somewhat intimate moment about Jon having been killed and reborn is halted by Ser Jorah Friendzone, first of his name. In their next scene together, Dany is for the first time, albeit not intentionally, open about her feelings for Jon. Both Tyrion and Jorah picks up on this. She clearly doesn't want Jon to leave, especially not on what is essentially a suicide mission. She does a half-hearted attempt at preventing his departure. In episode 3, she would've forcefully prevented him from leaving, but now in episode 5, her feelings for Jon have changed drastically. If anything, she seems to approve of Jon telling her that he doesn't need her permission to do anything. She's a Queen, but he's a King. We know that Dany is attracted to strong men who treat her with respect and as an equal. During the third and last scene in episode 5, Dany actually opens up to Jon about how she likes having him around and how her feelings for him have changed since they first met. Jon does not reciprocate her feelings however (he probably wants to, but as we know, he's telling himself that he doesn't have time for a romance right now) and she wrongly interprets this as a sign that he doesn't have any romantic feelings for her. She still gives Jon a longing gaze when he leaves. Again, I think Dany was 100% sincere in episode 6 when she told Tyrion that "Jon Snow isn't in love with me". Up to this point, Jon has only shown his romantic feelings for Daenerys when she isn't looking. She's also used to the fact that people who are attracted to her let her know very early on, but Jon hasn't even mentioned her appearance. How can she know? End of Episode 5 - Friendly and trusting relationship has grown into the start of a romantic relationship. Dany is clearly having romantic feelings for Jon at this point and can barely repress them. Jon has feelings for Dany as well, but unlike her, he can still repress them and hasn't shown them yet. Now, I'm not gonna delve deep into episode 6, since with all that's happened during episode 3,4,5 and that happens during episode 6, I'd say the emotional development between Dany an Jon makes 100% sense by now. Dany's feelings are obvious at this point (even if she tries to deny them when Tyrion prods her about Jon actually being in love with her), and when she flies north she is totally in love with Jon. Jon likewise finally cracks down in the end of the episode, not only by metaphorically kneeling, but also when he doesn't let go of her hand. Amazing what another near-death experience can do to your emotions right? Their feelings for eachother at this point also makes sense; they have a lot of things in common (que mandatory "including genes"-joke). They've both had a long and arduous journey to get to this point. Both have followers who follow them, not out of fear, but out of respect and love. Both have roughly the same view on how a ruler should rule for the betterment of the people. Both believe that a ruler should lead from the front, and fight for their people, and not just expect their people to do all the fighting. Both have been reborn in a way, and both have suffered greatly but managed to come back. Both are considered special by the people around them, and in each other they meet a person who treats them like no one else has ever done before. In addition to these similarities, they have further reasons for falling for each other. Why does Jon fall for Dany? Jon finds Daenerys to be beautiful, so the physical attraction is there. Jon hasn't exactly been around that many women, and no other woman like Daenerys. She's clean, well dressed, does her hair and looks amazing in general. Jon's expression when he see's Dany for the first time in episode 3 is literally " " Jon also likes strong women, and Dany is the strongest woman Jon has ever met, both in terms of willpower, determination and actual power. Despite this, she humbles herself early on by asking for Jon's advice on how she should proceed in her war against Cersei, and she listens to him. She also gave him something he wanted (Dragonglass) without asking for anything in return.He notices quickly, that Danys followers follow her out of respect and love, and not just because of a title. Just like Jon, she has earned her followers loyalty, she hasn't demanded it.He also quickly take notice that Dany, like him, is willing to do things the hard way, if it's the right way. He mentions straight away that he's curious about why she hasn't stormed Kings Landing, and he concludes that she doesn't want innocent to die, just like him. Lastly, and most importantly, since this is the thing that ultimately makes Jon bend the knee and more or less give in to his bottled romantic feelings in the end: Jon is the kind of ruler who "leads from the front", and who thinks that other rulers likewise should do the same: fight for their people, and not just expect the people to fight for them. Already in episode 4 Dany asks (or rather yells at) Tyrion "What kind of queen am I if I'm not willing to risk my life to fight them?" (her enemies). Jon picks up on this, because he has the exact same mindset. This is a huge plus for Dany in Jon's book. This mentality is cemented in episode 6, where Dany puts herself and her most priced possessions in danger when she flies of to save Jon and his crew. She proved that she's not just a fancy title and all talk (as he suspected in their first meeting in episode 3), but that she will be a good ruler with a lot of integrity, and right after this Jon bent the knee (metaphorically) and showed his feelings for Dany for the first time. Why does Dany fall for Jon? Dany is used to the fact that most powerful men she meets either try to trample on her, take advantage of her or simply only care about her for her power and/or beauty. Many men are enthralled by her, and Daario is the perfect example of this; He fell for her power and beauty instantly, and killed his own captains for her sake, before he actually got to know her. Que Jon Snow, elected King in the North who isn't afraid to stand up to her, who treats her as an equal instead of submitting to her, and who doesn't seem to care about her title or her looks. Unlike most other men in Danys life, Jon isn't desperate for her approval, and doesn't constantly seek her attention. This turns Jon into a challenge for her in a way that she is not used to. Today we'd say that Jon was playing hard to get, and she's never had anyone do that to her before. She finds it intriguing and attractive. Dany is also attracted to "heroes" and brave men, despite her trying to act that she's not. Furthermore, Jon bonding with Drogon is the first time she's seen anyone except her self be able to be that near, let alone touch Drogon. I did the "single mom brings home new husband to meet her children"-metaphor earlier, and it fits. She doesn't fully understand why Jon can pet Drogon, but she definitely approves. The culmination of their relation as of episode 6, and in my opinion the most beautiful thing in their relation so far, is how Jon metaphorically bends the knee in a situation where it's pointless for him to do so. Alot of people are annoyed by him bending the knee at this point, but to me that's what make the entire difference. He doesn't bend the knee out of a strategical advantage, or in order to get her support anymore. He bends the knee out of respect, trust and love. By flying north and putting herself and her dragons in danger for the sake of him and his crew, she ultimately proved to him that she isn't just a fancy name and all talk, but that she is a woman of integrity, who put her money where her mouth is, and who is worthy of his service. By the end of epsiode 6, their love is mutual, beautiful, logical and not a single bit foced or rushed. By far the best and most believable romantic relationship portrayed in the show so far. Jon is Ice, Dany is Fire, and this is the Song of Ice and Fire.
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    sansa, arya, and dany

    Two families, technically.
  22. It just felt that way, what with the "I tempted you"-speech from Lancel. And Robert was dead as well when she slept with Lancel back in S2.
  23. If you're gonna bring up social stigma, then it's worth considering that cousins and aunts/nephews aren't considered incest in Westeros (nor many modern countries today), only sexual relations between siblings and parents/children is. Which makes the High Sparrows arrest of Cersei in S5 all the more strange. She was accused of sleeping with Lancel, her cousin, but surely if the faith considered cousins to be incest and hence "immoral/illegal", then it wouldn't be so accepted and widespread throughout Westeros as it already is?
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    Season 8 Predictions?

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    Little Questions That Don't Fit Anywhere Else Part 3

    Perhaps she's refering to Young Griff who's clearly not the real Aegon? (If he was he wouldn't had been cut from the TV-show)