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  1. I can't help but wonder why the hrakkar, the white lion Drogo killed, keeps appearing in Dany's chapters. We first hear about it in GoT: So Drogo is going on a hunt, it's not that important. He returns triumphant and with a pelt he gifts Dany. What seems like a slice of Dothraki life factoid ends up in an House of the Undying vision: All the other visions Dany sees in that segment are important in one way or another. There's MMZ doing her blood ritual, Dany's fever dream search for a red door (where she realizes she needs to "wake the dragon"), the dragon birthing ritual, her escaping getting poisoned, and an upcoming event with the dosh khaleen. But why is the lion there? Isn't it something that Drogo killed? Why would it be important enough to be in one of the visions here? Dany is often clad in this lion pelt too. Like in each book she appears. In GoT, she gets the pelt. In Clash, she wears it when entering Qarth. In ASOS, she curls up inside it to remind her of Drogo. In AdWD, she wears it again on her way to war. It seems like the pelt is one of Dany's last remaining reminders of Drogo (that and the silver mare). While that's important for character development and all, how come the lion is important enough to appear in an Undying vision?
  2. Ghost+Nymeria4Eva

    Why did Ned allow Benjen to take the black?

    At first I thought maybe it's tradition for a Stark to take the black. Now it looks more like Benjen had something to do with the rebellion. Maybe he was the one who spread the lie and this is his punishment? It's also possible that it's something he did in his grief after losing almost his entire family. Right. Perhaps Ned's "promise" to Lyanna included Jon ending up at the Wall. Maybe he sent Benjen there early so he would be an experienced officer able to look after Jon when he gets there. Or Ned might have always planned to send Jon to the Wall so that he could never claim a right to the throne just in case the secret came out. In GoT, he never protests Jon's desire to go to the Wall. Never talks about it or mentioned it even. Good one. I always found it weird that Ned never even talked to Jon about him going to the Wall.
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    What is the importance of the Hrakkar, the White Lion?

    What makes you say Dany is the "black dragon"? Do you mean that she's the secret Blackfyre? I think someone else has already pointed out, Lannisters are associated with golden dragons, not white ones. I thought that maybe the lion Drogo killed was a sacrifice of some sorts unbeknownst to them. It was obviously a rare and possibly unique creature. Drogo might have killed an animal associated with the gods, like the direwolves. It was clearly important in the grand scheme of things. Like how Ned was executed after he killed Lady, maybe Drogo's fate was the gods' punishment for him killing the special lion. Either that or the significance comes from Dany wearing the lion pelt (and it later being associated with her).
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    Did Bran Go Back in Time in ACoK?

    Referring to a scene in one of Jon's chapters towards the end of ACoK. Jon, Qhorin, and three other black brothers are going through the Skirling Pass when Jon has another wolf dream in his sleep. He becomes Ghost as he goes hunting. And then this happens: Bran during this time is still hiding in the crypts of Winterfell, so it's obviously can't be the same Bran that reaches out to Ghost. It looks like he has just become the three-eyed crow, symbolized by the young weirwood tree with his face on it. (So are the faces on weirwoods faces of the 3EC, rather than carved ones as believed? There would not be anyone to carve a face on a weir sapling growing on a rock in an inhospitable region.) Anyway, does this mean Bran as the 3EC has gone back in time to help Jon? Or did the 3EC imitate Bran? Did Bran open Jon's warg eye as the previous 3EC did to him? At the end of Dance, Bran is still sort of an apprentice 3EC. So this must come from even further in the future. How did he teleport Ghost to the top of the pass for the view of the valley? And how did to "talk" to Jon? Is it that Ghost's direwolf ears can "hear" the tree, whereas humans don't hear anything or perhaps just peculiar whispers? (There's also the part about Bran being in the dark. Ghost smells death from the tree.That's a lot of sinister undertones to the weir magic hinted here.)
  5. Ghost+Nymeria4Eva

    Did Bran Go Back in Time in ACoK?

    This occurs three books before Bran meets 3EC. What makes you say that? It seems like he understood it well enough and confirms that he is the crow. Except that it wasn't a weirwood dream. Bran was warging into Summer. In his Summer dream, he doesn't see Jon. Also, Summer sees that weird "winged snake" over Winterfell. Other than that, it seems the usual warg dream. If Summer met Ghost, it would be perfectly sensible. Unless if there are roots from the godswood growing into the crypts of Winterfell. Also, how did Bran manage to communicate with Jon who is beyond the Wall at this point? Doesn't the Wall block magical powers like this? Bloodraven has the trees.
  6. Ghost+Nymeria4Eva

    Did Bran Go Back in Time in ACoK?

    But he didn't talk to Jon through Ghost. He was talking through a weir sapling that Ghost came across. Where did the weirwood come from otherwise? It wasn't one of those symbolic prophesy dreams.
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    Winged Snake over Winterfell

    I was re-reading Clash and noticed this in the final Bran chapter: This is after Winterfell is sacked by the Boltons. Some structures are set on fire. Bran is hiding in the crypts and sees the fires through Summer's eyes. Summer notices people being scared and things burning, and also this "winged snake" breathing flame. Like, where did the dragon come from? Was it really there, did Summer "imagine" it? Was Bran seeing something from the future that somehow freakishly coincides with the sacking that just happened? Soon afterward, Osha in the crypts says “We made noise enough to wake a dragon" (!). Could there have actually been a dragon that no one notices because people don't look up? Could this possibly tie-into the shadow dragon Dany is told of by the Undying. Perhaps the Broken Tower in Winterfell is the site where the shadow dragon arises. That's just a theory though. Anyone have explanations/theories on this bizarre appearance of a "winged snake"? Update: There's a decade old thread on this here: Perhaps there are newer theories/suggestions?
  8. Ghost+Nymeria4Eva

    Did Bran Go Back in Time in ACoK?

    Ah, the post is archived. I noticed that you observed the tree line effect. The pass is all stone, but the sapling still grows. Perhaps there's a different reasons weirwoods don't grow in the Vale. I think someone mentioned that Bran is in the crypts, hence the death and the darkness. But the Bran in the passage says he "likes" it there. We know he doesn't, which is why he likes to warg into Summer. And Summer doesn't like it either. And Ghost observes a "terrible" smell too. Could it just be decomposing bodies, considering nothing been buried there recently? The reason I thought it was a time travel trip is because Bran specifically says "before the crow." At this point, he hasn't met the crow yet and doesn't know anything about weirwood magic. And he sounds confident and even helps Jon see, unlike the Bran in Winterfell who's just learning about his warging abilities. Also, the weirwood. It's present and is growing, like it's between its adult and young stage, kind of like a time lapse video.
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    Winged Snake over Winterfell

    Osha? No it's Summer, Bran's direwolf, who sees it. See the quote. It's one of Bran's wolf dreams.
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    Prequel Pilot Filming Begins

    No, back up your own facts.
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    ''Details'' you wish to see picked up before Asoiaf ends

    Did Catelyn get a vision from the Seven in Clash when she visits the sept near Renly's camp? Did Summer see a dragon above Winterfell after Ramsay sacked it? Who were the people from the Shadow that disappears into the "annals of history"? Was there a long night before the Long Night that results in the Wall? Are there really animal-human hybrids in the far east? What is the cup of ice and cup of fire? Why didn't Drogon recognize Dany in Daznak's Pit? Did the Undying really send the comet as a messenger to Dany as they claim? What was the blue heart throbbing indigo light in the House of the Undying? What's the voice from the fire that spoke to the sorcerer who mutilated Varys? Is there someone or something really looking through the dragon skulls in KL like Arya, Tyrion, Ned, Robert, and Jaime feel?
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    That's not what the other poster asked. It was a question about what if Rhaegar had managed to get his Great Council. Dany not being born would be near inevitable if Aerys was dethroned, which would mean he would be kept separate from his wife. Rhaella would also get the protection of the Kingsguard as the queen mother so she would no longer be hurt by the mad king. On the other hand, saying that there would be dragons without Dany because one of the dead Targs would have managed the same ritual Dany did is very much a fanfic scenario. That's like asking would another have found the direwolves if Jon had not existed? Would another Stark become a greenseer and a 3EC if Bran had not existed? Would another Night's Watch brother kill the wight if Jon had never been there? No. These things were done by specific people under unique circumstances. We can say that Robert would have found another Hand if Ned had said no, or that Cersei would have married someone else if the Rebellion had not happened. That's because those things were bound to happen regardless, unlike the earlier scenarios that happen only because of specific people. 1. She stole money or sold the dragon eggs to someone else. 2. If he bought the dragon eggs from Elissa, why in the world would he cut the debts to the Targs, considering he'd already paid for the eggs? He didn't make any transactions with Targs directly. Why would he deny making the purchase? Didn't Barth negotiate the reduction of the debts anyway? (Maybe GRRM intends to give Dany's eggs a Targ origin, or maybe he would make them to be from Asshai as originally intended. We would have to wait for the story to conclude. Until then, it's premature to assume that is the case considering GRRM backtracked on giving this official confirmation.) Egg at this point is a small child who's repeating a juicy piece of gossip he's heard. That doesn't make it a fact that actually happened. No, the "whispering stars" tell her the same riddle Quaithe did in Qarth. So she asks if it's Quaithe. The stars whisper in a woman's voice, which Dany doesn't recognize as Quaithe's at all. Otherwise, she would have thought that the stars whispered in Quaithe's voice. Dany sees the ghosts of old kings with different shades of blonde hair and different colored eyes (corresponding to the colors of Yi To emperors). None of the kings have mismatched eyes like Shiera does (Tyrion has mismatched eyes too). She doesn't see any stars. She hears the whispering of stars but they are just whispering noise, and doesn't say anything specific. Dany certainly doesn't remember any stars whispering when she's about the light the pyre. Maybe the whispering stars are important because it's a symbol that refers to a divine power that these masked people in Asshai also worship? Like fire to R'hllor or the sea to the Drowned God. Or perhaps it's the Essoi version of whispering weirwoods? That's a logic leap. If this sorcerer knew how to hatch dragons, why didn't she do it herself? Why would she need Dany? No. No clues whatsoever except to say that the "dragon has three heads." It may refer to three dragons with separate riders, the nature of dragons, or the Targ symbol. The whole thing is too vague to assume anything specific. Also, the Stallion prophesy most likely refers to Drogon (thunderous wings, huge shadow, etc). That is, unless, it did refer to Rhaego and is no longer valid because Rhaego is no more. We barely know who Sheira was, except that she was a popular socialite who was loved by Brynden Rivers. Nothing in the books indicate that she had knowledge of anything magic, much less she knew how to live for over a hundred years without being attached to a weirwood tree. The comet is interpreted to be many things in the books. The Undying even claim that they sent the comet to show Dany the way. Why would this not be true? Also, the prophesy says Azhor Ahai is "reborn"--not born--as the Red Star bleeds. Dany went into the fire and her not getting burned is seen as a sort of "rebirth." Rhaego was a stillbirth, meaning he's never born and dies in Dany's womb. If Jon goes through a similar ritual to become the PtwP, he'd have to go through with it before the comet disappears (unless it already has). Huh? What makes you so certain that the books make it "obvious"? In ACoK, Dany is shows three deaths as the "daughter of death" and a horse was not one of them. Absolutely not. Go read that scene again. Dany's already in the fire for some time and her top even burns off before the first dragon egg cracks. It also happens after she sees Drogo on his stallion rides off into the nightlands and she thinks "now, now." So GRRM is here writing unnecessary scenes because he just needs to make things look dramatic? Lol. Like, dragons being born after extinction wouldn't be dramatic enough? No, she's not fireproof, but she (and possibly other Targs) have a fire affinity. In F&B GRRM hints that Targs may actually be more resistant to heat compared to non-Targs. Dany can tolerate more heat than what's considered normal. Similarly, Ned Stark seems to be able to tolerate more cold than normal, as Catelyn observes. I'm all for fan theories, but you are not presenting convincing evidence for Shiera/Quaithe thing. Also, it's really not related to what I mentioned in the earlier post.
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    Annulment vs. 'setting aside a wife/marriage'

    No one knows that Tyrion had a wife back in the Westerlands a decade or so ago. People in Casterly Rock or the area may know (because gossip), but no reason to believe anyone at KL knew that Tyrion was ever married. Tywin makes sure that the marriage ends before anyone knows it happened (and also before Tysha gets pregnant). Legal marriage should technically give the each spouse some property rights, so it's not a just a social construct. But not sure what these are in Westeros. In Qarth, we know that there are unique gift exchanging customs between the spouses. GRRM never specifies these things for Westeros. Non-consummation is the only way to annul a marriage, rather than the easiest way. Irl, some jurisdictions allow a marriage to be annulled if the couple is close blood relatives. In Westeros, incest doesn't have a blanket ban. Setting aside a marriage is probably the Westerosi term for divorce. I think things like unfaithfulness, deception, criminal acts (treason) are grounds for a divorce. But Robert, as you said, has king's authority and could declare his own marriage dissolved. Pretty much all highborn marriages are decided for political reasons to make alliances. If these alliances are no longer of any use, I'm sure there's a way for the lords and kings to get rid of their unwanted spouses. As for the Ironborn, they have a rock wife (an ironborn) and many salt wives (kidnapped women). This is perfectly fine because the Ironborn follow the Drowned God, not the Seven. Only the Seven so far demands monogamous marriage. The Old Gods, maybe, considering Ned only has one wife (or because Catelyn follows the Seven). The Targs could enter polygamous or polyandrous marriages in accordance with their native customs. So in Westeros there's king's law, where the king can make up the law as they like, but also social customs based on religion. Marriage most likely falls under jurisdiction of the gods (social custom) rather than the law, which is why we don't see laws for divorce or separation. No one goes to jail for things like abandoning a spouse, which could be a crime if there were actual marriage laws.
  14. Ghost+Nymeria4Eva

    Small Questions v. 10106

    No. That's just a what-if fanfic. That still only a possibility. GRRM has been coy on this issue. As for the Sealord, he denies that Farman sold him dragon eggs. There are rumors she was in Asshai, so the eggs might have ended up there and sold to Illyrio. While some people tend to believe in the Farman eggs, it's yet to be confirmed. No one instructed Dany how to hatch dragon eggs. She meets Quaithe after she has hatched dragons. If anything, Dany gets the idea from Mirri Maz Durr's bloodmagic ritual. The Quaithe=Sheira is just a theory, not at all a fact. Sheira Seastar should be dead by now. Three heads of a dragon isn't a prophesy. It might not even truly refer to three people. The prophesy refers to one specific person, not any of the people descending from a certain line. It's not stated as an ability. It's stated as something this person does, Also, the wording of the prophesy might be jumbled anyway. Like how? There were attempts to make dragons return, like Summerhall, none of which succeeded. And if you go by the prophesy, how would the dragons return "years earlier" before the comet actually appears? If the Rebellion didn't happen, Rhaegar would most likely have had that Great Council. Aerys would have been sent for medical care on the account of him being mad. Rhaella would have been kept safe from him. Rhaegar would have protected his mother, but he dies. As explained earlier, the prophesy doesn't refer to "anyone" but "someone" from that line. In any case, Dany hatched the dragons, something no one else so far managed to do, period. Whether someone else might have managed to do the same if Dany never existed only leads to endless and meaningless speculation. Any other would need the bizarre fire affinity Dany has. Nothing in the books indicate that Rhaegar, his children, Aerys, Rahella, or Viserys had or have the same ability.
  15. Ghost+Nymeria4Eva

    Small Questions v. 10106

    This is a feudal system where the modern concept of private ownership of land doesn't exist. The land comes under the protection of a lord, who in turn come under the protection of a bigger lord (like House Stark), and these lords in turn are subjects of a king. Does the king "own" the land? Only if he can militarily defend it. People don't need to buy land because they don't need to. Unlike modern times, people can settle down in unclaimed or unused land, unless they are explicitly ordered to leave by someone with a big army. So if you need to build a house or farm, you don't need to buy land. You can settle down anywhere viable as long as you don't get in a lord's crosshairs. Essentially, people don't own land, they claim it. If you have an army, you can lay claim to large swaths of land and make people there pay you tribute. A king doesn't really need to nationalize land because it is free to use, unless explicitly designated otherwise.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    Had Rhaegar's Great Council plan gone through, Dany would never have been conceived. She's conceived during the Rebellion, around the time Rhaegar dies or a bit before, and she is born after both Rhaegar and Ares die. In hindsight, had the Rebellion not happened, the world would not have dragons.
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    Annulment vs. 'setting aside a wife/marriage'

    That's just the thing. Marriage rules for the royals are based on expedience. The septons seem to promote a traditional Christian-style monogamous marriage, but whether it's strictly followed really depends. As you said, Tywin brutally exiles Tysha from Casterly Rock, even if she was Tyrion's lawful wife. Doesn't he get the septon who conducted the ceremony to undo it or something? The rules are different for Targs altogether. It seems that what really keeps most non-Targ marriages going is how wealthy and powerful the wife's family is. Robert is only married to Cersei because of the power and wealth of Casterly Rock. He doesn't kick her out of the castle because he fears Tywin's wrath. Had the Lannisters lost their prestige, I'm sure Cersei would have been quickly replaced with a new bride. The point is, if the king really wanted to get rid of a wife or even take on a new one, there are plenty of ways to do that, mainly by getting the High Septon on his side. It would be fine as long as the first wife's family doesn't rebel. And the smallfolk don't seem to particularly care about it. When Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna, the smallfolk weren't outraged. In their version of the story, Rhaegar "loves" Lady Lyanna, unlike in Robert's version where he kidnaps her.
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    Prequel Pilot Filming Begins

    Where did you read that? It was already in the show. He was one of the First Men who invaded Westeros, got captured, and was subjected to a magical curse. Why would it be surprising that he was scared when the enemy inserts some thing inside him? It's the same story as in dozens of werewolf, vampire, superhero, and Resident Evil movies. Considering it's called "Bloodmoon," the show is probably set in the North, probably near the Wall. It may involve direwolves and Starks. Not sure how they would make it a continent-spanning storyline. They reduced the role of direwolves in GoT so I don't see how they would play a prominent role in the prequel. Ghost was essentially reduced to a pet dog and the other direwolves went off screen fairly quickly.
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    Rickon's Role

    I always thought that in the end, Rickon would be the one to lead House Stark. Robb is dead, Sansa ends up in the Vale, Bran is the three-eyed crow, and Arya is a faceless man. Like with Egg, the unlikeliest candidate could end up at Winterfell. Alternatively, Rickon's relationship with Shaggydog might reveal something interesting about wargs. As someone else mentioned earlier, Rickon is probably going to be a fierce wolf, full of rage because of what happened. Shaggy, too, has always been angry and impatient. Rickon could even end up being the new warg king.
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    Annulment vs. 'setting aside a wife/marriage'

    Renly probably thought Robert might divorce Cersei for a new Lyanna. He couldn't annul that marriage, even if the children were not his own. Perhaps "setting aside" a marriage means a divorce in this world. Also, Robert is a distant Targ relative. So it might be possible for him to take more than one wife. In any case, he's king and can re-make the rules as he goes. A king taking more than one wife would not be without precedent and probably will not face much resistance. I mean, it's Robert and everyone knows he's not a faithful husband.
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    Cutest moments

    Nymeria "helping" Arya pack in GoT. The direwolves playing with Rickon in GoT. All the Dany and baby dragons scenes. Jaquen H'agar trying to get Arya to unsay his name (I think he was just trying to scare her).
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    Prequel Pilot Filming Begins

    This should be exciting news but considering they changed so much of the mythology in GoT, my reaction is just "meh." Before S7 began to air, I was excited that the prequel/"successor" shows would delve into things like where the Others came from or how dragons were made. But now we know that some hooman got magiked and dragons were never that important anyway (except for conquest).
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    I think I've figured out how Valyrian Steel is made.

    Other Empires didn't have volcanoes to dig into. But that doesn't mean they were any less cruel. Valyrians get real greedy, according to the maesters anyway, and make slaves dig even deeper until they come across the firewyrms. Nothing in the books so far explicitly says Valyrians sacrificed people to the fire. The dragons burned armies in war and rebellions. They either killed or enslaved people they conquered. If they did burn conquered people as sacrifices, it would be in the Westerosi maester history books. In fact, blood magic and sacrifices are not mentioned with relation to Valyria at all compared to some of the contemporary places like Qohor. We only know blood magic went into creating dragons from Dany's ritual. Valyrians are only associated with the "arcane arts." Going back to the mining, it's possible they mined dragonglass or obsidian, or a different precious metal that Valyrian steel is made out of. The frozen fire or the substance wildfire is made out of. It would make sense that a unique metal went into VS, which is why no one else can make it. Valyrians would have also used dragonfire and certain spells to forge the weapons. (Also, the Ghis empire seemed to have been way, way worse than Valyria when we regard the existing customs in the contemporary harpy cities). That's Westerosi custom mainly. That doesn't mean we can apply the same to Valyria. And the books only mention Valyrian armor as something the dragonlords wore. There are no mentions of Valyrian ground troops clad in VS armor and using VS blades going into battle. The children of Valyria, though under the Freehold, have their own armies. If they had VS gear for the common soldier, they should exist to this day and those don't really seem to. Again. Valyria didn't depend on ground troops to win battles. They had dragons, and that's all they really needed. This is really just speculation. You can't assume that Valyrians ran their Freehold the same way the Meereenese or the Pentoshi run their cities. Because the Doom happened when the dragonlords were gathered in Valyria. AWOIAF says this: So its custom for the dragonlords to be in Valyria. They probably didn't need to go patrolling except on occasions. Valyria was never plagued by rebellions. They won against their main enemies--the Ghiscari and the Rhoynar--and everyone else realized they couldn't match the power of dragons. The Andals fled rather than rebel and die. Um, no. People everywhere live by a hierarchy of some sort. Just because social customs dictate nobles are important, that doesn't mean divine tradition assumes the same. None of the religions actually claim some lives are above others either. This is obviously something the evil sorcerers of Qohor believe; not that a "god" actually came down and demanded dead nobles. Lol. We know from Mel's actions that some priests tend to believe they know their religion truly despite gaps in knowledge. The sacrificial magic in Qohor most likely comes from a misunderstanding of Valyrian magic. Either that or they are making these offerings to the Great Other that hates all living things. In any case, we don't really know much about the bloodmagic in the East to claim anything beyond speculation. The books say that some Qohori smiths CLAIM to know how to create VS. If they really could do it, then we would see a big VS trade coming out of the city, but we don't. I very highly doubt that. Why would you actually assume that some lives are worthier than others anyway? Nissa Nissa was important because of her husband (who only becomes a hero after killing her)? Why isn't it more likely that the ritual worked because Nissa Nissa was important to Azor Ahai, who loved her truly? He makes a great personal sacrifice to get a magic weapon in return. This is pretty easy to understand in context. Why would the gods value people based on where they are in highly arbitrary social hierarchies? If they did that, they would not be gods at all. Or they didn't have the mined raw material needed to make the steel. They left Valyria some dozen years before the Doom, so plenty of time to stock up on everything they needed. Because the sacrifices were already made. The souls of the dragons and their potential riders are already intertwined. Anyway the point is, some sort of magic did go into making VS. It's possible that the unique properties of the blade come from using a precious metal found only in the Peninsula (which is no more). VS is highly valuable, but we see all sorts of things made from it other than blades. Therefore, I highly doubt people were actually sacrificed to make it. We can probably say that some type of fire property went into the blade, which is why it's so effective against the Others.
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    How did Rhaegar get his reputation as a warrior?

    Rhaegar was known as a great harpist and a good prince, not necessarily a great warrior. This is just what Dany thinks and asks Barristan about it. As a seasoned warrior, he corrects her misconception that skill alone can result in battle victories. I think people knew Rhaegar to be a honorable person above all. I don't think his popularity came from him winning battles (considering before the Rebellion, there weren't any battles during his lifetime for Rhaegar to fight. Even Arthur Dayne is known as the best "swordsman" in the realm, rather than as the best warrior).
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    I think I've figured out how Valyrian Steel is made.

    Again, you can't compare which empire is the most cruel, especially considering GRRM actively avoids the evil empire trope. Obviously, the slaves toiling away in the mines was evil, and it resulted in the destruction of Valyria. But I fail to see your logic that says Valyrians were so cruel and that's why they went around killing their own for a magic metal. Valyrians did have elite troops: the DRAGONLORDS. Then they absorbed conquered armies or made their own to act as ground troops. But nothing so far indicates Valyrians needed ground troops so bad that they would need to make blood sacrifices for Valyrian steel. The conquered the Ghis Empire with dragons for example. Also, what evidence do we have that Valyrians equipped their ground troops with Valyrian steel? Wasn't it the dragonlords who wore VS armor and wielded VS swords? You are mixing up creation of dragons with owning dragons. Blood magic went into creating dragons, and also to make dragons return from extinction, from everything we've seen in the books. The dragons that hatch from eggs still are not natural creatures. Their lives are bizarrely connected to the Targs that own them. In Summerhall, a bunch of dragon eggs are destroyed, and that is followed by a number of miscarriages. You can't put a value on life based on social station! That's ridiculous and just awful. GRRM certainly is not writing about a world where a royal, noble life has more value than the life of someone enslaved. The sacrifice is like a transaction, where the person doing the sacrifice has to pay a "price" to get what they want in return. So it's a personal price, nothing to do with the people ending up as the sacrifices. The only such successful ritual we see so far is what Dany does at the end of GoT. None of the other rituals where things are killed left and right work. That shows that priests and sorcerers don't really understand what paying the price means and that they think just killing things should work (it doesn't). That sounds like a tin foil theory. If they could raise fire wights, Valyrians wouldn't need to enslave new ones as frequently as they did. Also, corpses can be mended if damaged. Why would the FM kill the slaves considering they can just be raised as wights? Wouldn't they also need ice somehow to destroy a fire wight? That doesn't make any sense. If there was a soul in there, why doesn't the metal glow or look reddish? We know that Lightbringer had that glow-y type of property that made the steel look sort of alive. I think it's more sensible that they used dragon fire and spells to make Varyian steel. So it would only indirectly be made using blood magic. GRRM has confirmed that magic goes into making VS:
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