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  1. So D&D cowered behind their competent actors, feeding them lines blaming all the hate on a 'media led hate campaign' and that the 'real fans' still like GoT.

    What, the same media that pretended D&D's shit didn't stink? That media? Oh, of course, they obviously really wanted you to fail, it's not like Game of Thrones was a ratings juggernaut that every cynical businessman and their cynical businessmothers wanted to succeed.


  2. 18 hours ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

    The show has no budget restraints.

    Imperfect? Excuse me. What's imperfect about them? I think I did pretty damn good. Maybe not an A+ but an A is what I did.

    I'll be back later tonight to finish the Brienne arc and the Northern conglomerate with Stannis, Davos, Theon and the Boltons.

    Then I'll do a quick summary post that will point to the places that all these plotlines will go in season 7.

    Well, I think that even if it's a better-handled, politically-nuanced variant, a rape-revenge plot (in this case, the search for not-Marillion the serial rapist - Marillion inexplicably teleported to King's Landing to mock Bobby B's death and lost his tongue in the show!) is somewhat trite. Infinitely better than the shit we got, and it would still be good, just I think rape-revenge is a tired old trope. Audiences may bite though, so I would say imperfect, but still better than D&D.

    Also, having Jon be killed for trying to defend the Watch kinda undermines what makes the coup of the books sympathetic; Jon was stabbed in the books for overtly getting the Night's Watch involved in politics (responding to Ramsay's Pink Letter by declaring he'll march south with a wildling army to save his sister) after already getting covertly involved as-is (using Mance Rayder as a spy in Winterfell to kidnap 'Arya' and take her to the Watch). He'd broken his vows of neutrality tons of times over, and the Watch stabbed him for that. Not racism, not after the let-through and subsequent damage was done, but legitimately for the neutrality of the Watch. I would argue a more politically savvy Jon would be a better adaptation of the books (which would work well for later adaptations of him outnavigating Dany politically).

    I still think Jaime going to Dorne ain't ideal. I understand it from an audience retention perspective, but being honest, the early seasons didn't succeed by being conventional and talking down to the audience. In fact, the worst parts of the early seasons (sexposition) are the result of exactly that (AUDIENCES AREN'T PATIENT ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO WORLDBUILDING ON ITS OWN, WE NEED SEX GUYS).

    I still think it's a good proposition, and a million times better than D&D's 'creative vision' (creativity may vary). I just think there are still at times considerable deviation from the themes of the originals that don't work so well. I'm not saying my suggestions are perfect either, fuck it, your suggestions may be perfect to many people, just not everyone.

    Still, I give it an A+ and a merit for obvious thought having been put in, something the version that made it to TV screens somehow failed.


  3. On 6/29/2019 at 5:59 PM, Darryk said:

     

    But if they appear at Comic Con and manage to get through it without losing their composure, and manage to bullshit their way through whatever challenging questions are put to them about their story decisions, then they'll look better in the eyes of the larger, more casual audience. I've seen this work, with other Film and TV productions that received massive fan backlash. If you stay in hiding then everyone can see you've got no defence, but if you go out in public and give some good bullshit answers, then the less analytical among the audience will shrug and say "well, I guess that makes sense" without really thinking about it.

    That's how Zack Snyder got a get-out-of-jail-free on Batman, ie, the dark vigilante who draws the line at murder, murdering his enemies. You know, by saying 'LOL, you idiots looking up to heroes idealistically, you're living in a dream world, I want everything to be dark and realistic, and for me, realistic = completely different to the source material. Fucking fantards, amirite?'

    And the audience clapped.


  4. 29 minutes ago, Dragons Are Real said:

    I had heard that story and it's just one more reason I think those two have no business running a show at all.  Why HBO didn't catch their spiteful little digs at the actors that were actually trying to do a good job for them and toss them off the program is beyond me.  That must have been one of the most shitty contract negotiations in all of Hollywood history to give them zero power to stop the trainwreck even as they saw it coming.  HBO had stated for nearly three full seasons they were continually trying to talk them into doing more episodes, or even more seasons, because they knew the show was starting to feel cramped.  Absolutely stupid to let it go down this way and destroy the legacy of their most prominent current property.

    Ultimately, D&D could have negotiated for a safe full of golden coins to swim in and they'd have got it; HBO was convinced they were their golden goose (and given GoT's popularity, it's an understandable business decision). As such, if their golden goose says 'we need unlimited power to oppress the actors, it's, uh, for artistic integrity', I reckon HBO would have said yes.

    A similar thing happened to JK 'Just Kidding about every previous instance of worldbuilding' Rowling; she's Warner Bros' golden goose, and was given unlimited creative control over Crimes of Grindelwald. And we all know how that turned out. When artists have no editors or screenwriters or actors to bounce off of and limit their worse impulses, they soon go mad with power and start to drink their own coolade.


  5. 19 hours ago, Dragons Are Real said:

    The last two posts just made me miss one of the few positive changes the Ds made.  Ros's destruction was a crying moment for me.  Mostly because she was immensely fun to look at, but she also seemed to know how to act.

    Probably for the best though.  Had she stuck around I suppose she would have slowly gotten worse just like the rest of the rotting fruit populating the show.

    Ros's death is actually a retroactive point of condemnation, because it turns out Ros got the meaty storyline because D&D liked her actress nude. When the actress said 'if you're gonna make me prominent, I'd like a decent storyline in Season 3, but no more nude scenes'.

    In response, D&D said 'No more nude scenes, eh? Well fuck you, we're going to unceremoniously kill you off and have the camera indulgently pan over your corpse's tits'.

    Paraphrasing, but yes, that's why Ros had the overly sexualised death you see in Season 3. They've been spiteful weasels for ages.


  6. 11 hours ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

    LOL  Best use of a Ramsay gif I've seen in years.

     

     

    The thing is, I don't think they will. I think, just like what they did with Season 5, they'll disappear into the aether claiming they're busy and leave the actors who actually did a semi-decent job to bear the brunt.

    That way fans look like shit for getting vitriolic at actors who evidently tried their best, D&D don't get to hear mean things, and they also get actors who give way more of a shit about their characters than them to give them a free explanation.


  7. 6 hours ago, Rose of Red Lake said:

    Miguel Sapochnik tells all:

    On Episode 5: 

    On Episode 3:

    So basically...

    Sapochnik: hey guys I read the script and I was thinking that maybe we could make it less sucky by adding some high stakes and emotion to the ep?

    D&D: :thumbsdown:

    The fact that Sapochnik was willing to outright say that D&D aren't responsive to criticism and make your work life terrible for disagreeing with them shows that all their proud mockery of Barristan's death (which they wrote out of spite) is not hyperbole. They really are just shitty writers, shitty directors, and shitty human beings.


  8. On 6/24/2019 at 8:25 PM, Jabar of House Titan said:

    *Insert feasible, faithful plots that while imperfect are still leagues above two alleged professionals*

    Unfortunately for you, I have D&D on the line right now, and they have their rebuttals ready.

    Bran: Uhhh, look, we knew Bran was going to be king and as a result, needed to make sure it was a surprise. Cutting him out for a season wasn't just a lack of book material and us not knowing what to do with magical shit in a fantasy, it was a calculated move to make you kInDa FoRgEt about Bran, that way your expectations are nice and subverted when the supposedly minor character becomes king.

    Sansa: You really expect us to act like feminine skills are anything other than points to be mocked by our memetic shitstain, Lyanna Mormont? Girly things are for dumb idiots, the only way women can be strong if if they take part in a rape-revenge plot or are men with tits.

    Arya: Uhhhh, this seems too slow. We really just want to get to the part where Arya goes around killing people we've conditioned the audience to despise unconditionally, plus this and Lady Stoneheart just seems like unnecessary magic lore, and we don't like magic lore.

    Jon: Our vision of Jon is an unproblematic idiot hero, just like our vision of Ned Stark. We can't waste time with politics because we can't write politics for shit because that's just not what our idiot hero Jon is. Plus, we need some hot bastard on bastard action now that Ramsay is the Joker.

    Daenerys: Sorry, sorry, we just can't take this seriously if you're going to imply men can be catty. They're all badass action heroes or death fodder, don't you know anything about men?

    Tyrion: We like your ideas, but given Tyrion sells shirts and mugs with his sayings on, we can't afford to make him a darker character-- uh, shit, what I meant to say was, it just doesn't seem right to make Tyrion a bad guy.

    Cersei: You're doing it again, you're, uh, trying to give a fuck about feminine skills and politics without resorting to explosions or mass kill-offs to reduce the characters we're keeping track of. Are you trying to make the viewers think?

    The Martells: We can't accept wasting Indira Varma by making her not angry, also, Doran is a cripple and doesn't have magic or kill people, so he isn't a real man and deserves to die. Focusing on manipulation is just hard work for the sake of hard work. Also, Tyene can't infiltrate the High Sparrow's group because we really like the 'bad pussy' line we have planned.

    Aegon: Wait, the Stormlands exist? Nah, fuck you, you don't know what you're talking about.

    The Greyjoys: No, no, no, we can't have Euron and religious opposition to evil that makes sense. The Faith Militant is a one-dimensional taliban, the Drowned Men won't make an appearance, and Euron as a sorceror is just fucking stupid. We want to make him a punk rocker Jack Sparrow ripoff who makes cock jokes, can't you understand our priorities?

    As you can see, they've shown you fair and square why they're the professionals raking in megabux and you're not. What fantastic reasoning from the (hypothetical) Ds.


  9. 8 hours ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

    Not only was Drogon the hero of the story, he was the only character with a real personality this past season. 

    Long may he fly......................far away from the hot mess that is the Westeros of D&D. 

    I can't wait for him to found a university of philosophy in Asshai.

    He was the draconic scholar that was promised.


  10. 16 minutes ago, YoungGriff89 said:

    I don’t really use Twitter so I’ll take your word for it.  Semantics I know but qualifications and formal training aren’t interchangeable terms.  Whatever else Benioff is he is at least a legitimate writer.  Honestly besides 25th Hour and parts of Troy I haven’t cared for his body of work, and George agreed to let him and Weiss do the show knowing what he’d written prior.  If not it was poor planning on George’s part.    

    I wouldn't mind if he, you know, didn't claim to have a screenwriting degree. If he was like 'yeah, I have these under my belt', that would be fine. Plenty of writers don't have official qualifications. It was the fact he felt the need to lie about this shit that makes him a scumbag.


  11. 6 hours ago, YoungGriff89 said:

    I don't know what "outright revelled" means because you've probably seen more behind the scenes videos with him than I have, but the bolded part is absolutely not true.  I am certainly not the biggest David Benioff fan and in another thread recently I defended those who would compare the quality of the writing in later seasons to fan fiction, but to say Benioff is not qualified is just factually not correct.   He wrote the novel and screenplay for 25th Hour, he wrote X-Men Origins: Wolverine (it's not good but it's still a major motion picture), he wrote Troy, he wrote The Kite Runner, he wrote Brothers (which was also an adaptation), etc.  He also wrote a book that I have not personally read but have heard from a reliable source is good, City of Thieves.  Whether his career in writing is thanks to nepotism or not, he is plenty qualified in this area.  I don't know about the part where he tricked George into thinking he had a screenwriting degree, I'm not sure a screenwriting degree is even a thing.  What's the source? 

    What I mean by no screenwriting qualifications is no formal training. As in, he lied about having a screenwriting degree. Yes, he wrote Troy, X Men Origins, and whatnot, but that doesn't take away from the fact he told GRRM he had a screenwriting degree when he didn't, and seems to hold formal qualifications with contempt, given his bitterness against eighth grade book reports.

    As for when, he fucking tweeted about his lie. He was that proud of it.

    As for screenwriting degrees, yes, they're a thing. Here's just one site of many pointing to universities that do them: https://www.bachelorstudies.com/BA/Screenwriting/


  12. On 6/22/2019 at 2:45 PM, Rose of Red Lake said:

    How can they all be dead when she waa speaking Dothraki to them and we see a bunch of them cheer her speech?

    Pretty sure it was Valyrian, which is even dumber, as the dothraki present cheer like they know what she's saying.

    'IT'S JUST GENERIC FOREIGN CONLANG, THE VIEWERS WON'T NOTICE' - David Benioff, probably.


  13. On 5/5/2019 at 1:23 AM, Red Dragon10 said:

    Yeah, exactly.  It makes no sense to me that the whole civilization would be wiped out just because the warriors were.

    Not the first time D&D have assumed this (eg: The disappearing Stormlanders, Reachers and Riverlanders).


  14. 8 hours ago, YoungGriff89 said:

    People have a right to be critical of whatever they wish to be critical of, whatever they don’t like about the work is valid.  That's what criticism is.  It probably isn't your intention, but this just comes across as you trying to delegitimize criticism by suggesting people can’t criticize something without having their own accomplishments in the field to speak of. 

    I think a lot of people think you need to be a carpenter to point out when a table is missing a leg.

    Not so, not so.


  15. 3 hours ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

    Earlier than expected?! How long do you want her to wait in the Vale?! The entirety of Winds of Winter and her first chapter in A Dream of Spring?!

    Lol, I mean come on. She's been in the Vale since A Storm of Swords. Bran only got to the Cave of the 3EC in his last chapter in A Dance with Dragons. Arya got to Braavos and walked into the House of Black and White in her first chapter in A Feast for Crows. However, Sansa has been in the Vale surrounded by Valemen since her penultimate chapter in A Storm of Swords.

    In other words, Sansa has been in her "boarding school from hell" longer than Arya and Bran have.

    How long does she need to wait? Things have to start moving now and Sansa is going to be the first to leave. Because she's the one who is going to have to make Winterfell a home again. Bran and Arya won't be coming home until Dream but there's no reason for Jon and Sansa not to reunite in Winterfell in the last few chapters of Winds...

    GRRM can do a lot in 5 chapters. Sansa has an average of 6 chapters per book; in Feast, she had 3 chapters and there was at least one Sansa chapter cut out of Dance. If Sansa has 6 chapters total in this next book with 3 chapters in the Vale with Littlefinger and chapter number 4 on the road (en route to White Harbor, the Twins, Greywater Watch, etc.), then she can spend the last two chapters in Winterfell rubbing elbows with Stannis, Theon, Asha, Ramsay, Jon, Melisandre, Davos, Rickon, Tycho, Mance, etc.

    What I mean by 'earlier than expected' is 'prior to the Bolton occupation being routed and being handed over to the Boltons as a key to the north by a mentally deficient Littlefinger. 'Not a whole GRRM length book length earlier but still earlier', quite unbelievably, counts as 'earlier'.

    I expected my point to be  sufficiently clear, but I suppose not. I don't expect her to spend TWOW entirely in the Vale, but definitely I expect her to secure an important husband (likely Harry the Heir) before making any demands of the Valemen.


  16. 34 minutes ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

    Wait, when did they spread black lies about Stannis to defame his good reputation? That doesn't make any sense. 

    Referring to the fiction-writing definition of character assassination, that is, suddenly turning all the redeemable traits about a character into lies and amping up their negative attributes to insane levels just to facilitate a plot outcome.


  17. 11 minutes ago, divica said:

    I think winds will have a lot of similarities to S6. At least the key points as jon becoming kitn with the support of the vale, danny getting dothriaki and sailing to westeros, arya returning to westeros… The main diferences for me are the faegon and cersei story arcs. Oh and yara and the iron born! I see them getting integrated in the north intead of going to danny that already has victarion there.

    I agree that plenty of stuff from S6 is evocative of what winds will offer, but I think S7 and S8 are really very bare-bones basic events only. There's no way that Jaime is going to say to Tyrion (who he's suddenly okay with) that he never really cared about the people of King's Landing.


  18. 8 hours ago, divica said:

    Each time I come here to talk about S8 a bit of me that likes the books and wants to read them until the end dies.

    The 8th season has so many things things I hate… I really don t want to read the next books that lead to the endings we saw… It just depresses me.

    I actually doubt, aside from the raw results (ie: Jon kills Dany, his second love) that any of the books will remotely resemble the final seasons. Heck, gardeners like GRRM tend not to have very solid endings as it is, due to the relatively 'uncontrolled' plot.

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