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  1. I think the ironborn will be Dany's bridge to Westeros. I think one of the dragons will peace out because of dragonbinder and head to Westeros to the true master of the horn. Even if Barristan wins against the Yunkai'i (and I'm pretty sure he will), there's still the Harpy to contend with. We still have no idea who that is. Marwyn will be the one with the freshest news of Westeros. There's a lot of information they don't know in Meereen. For one, they don't even seem to know that Oberyn Martell is dead. They don't even seem to have news of the Red Wedding. Plus he's got all that information about what's going on at the Wall, and this is something Tyrion can corroborate what with his encounter with Alliser Thorne in King's Landing. I don't see Dany taking all the Dothraki with her. For one thing, there's a massive logistics problem, even with ironborn ships and the Qartheen and Volantene fleets. For another, it's winter and she'd have way too many mouths to feed. I do think she'll sack Yunkai on her way back to Meereen. But I also think she will split her forces and send them on their way to sack Volantis for instance. I don't think Jorah's story is over. Jeor's last words to Sam were for him to tell Jorah to take the black and that he forgives him. So I don't think that's gonna be left up the air like this. I think he'll head to Westeros with Dany. Plus she misses him and he was part of that vision quest. I think she'll forgive him for what he's done. I don't think Tyrion will claim a dragon. I think Daario will, though.
  2. Arya being married off to a southron lord is never mentioned. Ned tells her she'll marry a king someday, but at that point in time in the story, it's not exactly a possibility. Jon in his opening chapter thinks that Sansa and Arya would marry the heirs of other great houses and go south as mistresses of their own castles. This is the closest that I can remember, but it's also coming from a 14 year old who may not be privy to what his father is thinking. And really, anything south of Winterfell could be considered southron, and there are only 4 castles north of Winterfell. Brynden Tully is southron by northern definition, but he calls Beric Dondarrion "a southron lord" because he's a Marcher Lord. Catelyn calls the Reachmen southron lords.
  3. Just a quick point with regard to this. Tyrion also thought Jon was 12, so I'm not sure he's all that reliable when it comes to age.
  4. The Stark face is summarized with "long, solemn, guarded, a face that gave nothing away." This is pretty much what we know of the Stark "face." This and other things. Like the dragon skulls they still have in the Red Keep, or the Targaryen relics around the castle and beneath it. I think his parents identity is as dangerous as him taking interest in that stuff and connecting to the other side of him. Jon doesn't think of dragons until there's talk of dragons at Castle Black. Dragons again. For a moment Jon could almost see them too, coiling in the night, their dark wings outlined against a sea of flame. (Jon VIII, ADwD 39) There's a lot in King's Landing Ned would have wanted to keep Jon from. There are the people who might recognize something in him and put two and two together, but the Red Keep (and King's Landing), is still very much a Targaryen place. And people talk. Depending on who Jon might have befriended there, the stories might hear could go counter to the ones that he learned at Winterfell. Just look at the Meera telling Bran the story of the KotLT. She was a very unexpected source of information about what happened at Harrenhal.
  5. If the Melissa listed in the MUSH is Aegon's Missy, then she'd have had a Baratheon mother. I pay money to know what Melantha and Betha were to each other. It's extremely interesting interwoven the Targaryens, Baratheons, Starks and Blackwoods are. And as far as Bloodraven goes, the lord of Winterfell during his time at the Wall was a half-Blackwood. I think that's rather important.
  6. The answer is in the book. "My liege, Pylos is pleasant enough, but I cannot see the chain about his neck without mourning for Maester Cressen." "Is it his fault the old man died?" Stannis glanced into the fire. "I never wanted Cressen at that feast. He'd angered my, yes, he'd given me bad counsel, but I did not want him dead. I'd hoped he might be granted a few years of ease and comfort. He had earned that much, at least, but" -- he ground his teeth together -- "but he died. And Pylos serves me ably." (Davos I, ACoK 10) Stannis felt Cressen did not give him good advice. We're talking about Stannis joining forces with Robb, and his reaction at kinslaying. It's not what Stannis wanted to hear, so he behaved like Stannis behaves.
  7. Honestly, Rogar Baratheon was a lot more trouble than he was worth. Jaehaerys should have gotten rid of him. If he didn't want to execute him, then the Wall would have been a good place for him to go. The only thing I got from FaB was that the Baratheons always toed a fine line between loyalty and treason, but when push came to shove, most of the time they stepped over the line. It just seems like Robert's Rebellion was building for something like 250 years.
  8. That's because he only killed just the one. Aegon was with his mother in the nursery, Rhaenys was one floor above in her father's rooms. And she was murdered by Amory Lorch.
  9. Sure. But did Doran ever ask? Plus I don't think Viserys was part of any plans until House Targaryen collapsed. Both Elia and Lewyn were dead by then. I have a couple non-political marriages in mind. Egg / Black Betha. Duncan / Jenny of Oldstones. Jaehaerys / Shaena. It's easier to come up with Targaryen names because they are the family we know the most about.
  10. It might feel like Elia and Rhaegar were married for a long time, but they really weren't. They were married for 3 years and we're told that Rhaegar moved his household to Dragonstone afterward. She may not even have spent all that much time around Viserys to know that something was wrong with him. Barristan can say what he said because as he put it, he knows Targaryens, but Elia could have just considered Viserys to be having a tantrum or something, if she witnessed anything at all.
  11. The only person at the Wall who would have a real chance at seeing something in Jon happens to be blind. In the end, this is all about perception. The characters are told that Jon is Ned's bastard, he has the brown hair and grey eyes (grey eyes that look black in a certain light, giving the same quality as purple eyes in story), the long face, so no one questions it. Interestingly enough, Jon wouldn't even be the first Targaryen with a long face. The best example of this is Cersei's children. No one ever even thought they were not Robert's until they started digging around. The children were 100% Lannister. They have the golden hair and the green eyes. No one would think to question who the father was because it's a foregone conclusion that they look like their mother. But we find out that Joffrey had Jaime's green eyes. Catelyn in her own thoughts, her thoughts about confronting Ned about Jon's mother (giving us Ashara's most striking feature, the purple eyes, which for me bears questions about Jon's eye color when he was still a baby and if this wasn't what prompted Catelyn to ask Ned about Ashara specifically), she thinks to herself that as he grew, Jon looked more like Ned than any of the sons she gave him. To me, this is a clear indicator that Jon looked nothing like Ned when he was a small child. If Jon were to stand beside Dany (because we know for sure who she is as opposed to Young Griff), I bet they would actually look a lot alike. Cersei said that the Starks did their best to hide Jon during the royal visit. We are led to believe that Jon was not allowed to mingle with the royals because of his bastardy. Him not sitting on the dais with the rest of his family during the feast could have something to do with that, but I think the reasons for him not being in the yard with Robb and Theon or not being part of the hunting party run much deeper than that.
  12. I think there are enough people who know bits and parts of the story to be able to put two and two together in King's Landing that Jon would be in danger. And Jon being in danger would put Sansa and Arya in danger as well. Sansa was engaged to Joffrey, so the expectation is that she would go and we know why Arya went. Bran would have gone too if he hadn't been crippled by Jaime. Cersei tried to have Jon killed for less than that. If Catelyn and Cersei believe that Ashara was the mother (or some Dornish woman Ned raped as Cersei put it), then we have Jon's birth place. I'm not even sure Jon knows where he was born. It's never been brought up. That's already a small piece of information that's floating around with no one making the connection to Lyanna whose place of death is, I think, common knowledge. All it takes is people coming with different pieces of the puzzle to unearth the truth. If there ever was a danger to Jon in the north, I think Barbrey Dustin would have been it. @SFDanny, the reason I came up with for Ned sending Jon to the Wall is because he saw something that might have worried him, either in behavior or in looks. Jon being at Winterfell means that he is protected. Jon traveling with Ned to King's Landing and stopping by Darry, a House that is known to be Targaryen loyalist is not. When Jon is in the north, standing next to Ned, he looks like a Stark. But Jon next to a Targaryen portrait like the ones the Darrys have, or standing in front of someone who knew the Targaryens for a long time may not look as much like a Stark anymore.
  13. Why, though? Jon has been at Winterfell for 14 years. He's been under Catelyn's roof for 14 years. She's had a pretty good look at him. It's not like Jon himself has any answers for her. Jon has been in the north for 14 years. Lords have visited Winterfell during that time. Heck, Jorah Mormont and Lynesse visited Winterfell a few times and even stayed there a fortnight. Just because Ned is leaving the north, doesn't mean that his bannermen will start prying into Jon's origins. No one seems to doubt honest, can't tell a lie, honorable Ned's story. Plus we have been beaten over the head that Jon looks like a Stark. Him not wanting to take him to King's Landing makes absolute sense. There are people there who can easily see something in Jon that could end the whole charade. I'm thinking about Barristan Selmy. I think Varys already knows anyway. The only thing sending Jon away achieves is stripping him further from a crown. It doesn't make him safer there. Ned is well aware that there's a King-Beyond-the-Wall. He even talks about calling the banners to go deal with him.
  14. He could have easily sent him to the Cerwyns. I think as far as solutions to what to do with Jon, that may have been the easiest and simplest one. Jon and Cley (along with Robb) were friends. The castle is half a day's ride from Winterfell, which means Jon could have visited his brothers any time he wanted and vice versa. But Jonelle Cerwyn is exactly Lyanna's age, so that could have been a non-starter.
  15. Probably not, but his time on the Isle of Faces might have some sort of impact on the story. Howland Reed is the last survivor named of the ToJ. He is the one character we know for sure can shed light on what happened there. Everything Ned knew, he also knows. That's not to say that what he learned with the green men is not directly tied to Jon and his origin story.
  16. I think there's foreshadowing for the opposite. Theon trudged through the storm until his arms and legs were caked with snow and his hands and feet had gone numb from cold, then climbed to the battlements of the inner wall again. Up here, a hundred feet high, a little wind was blowing, stirring the snow. All the crenels had filled up. Theon had to punch through a wall of snow to make a hole . . . only to find he could not see beyond the moat. Of the outer wall, nothing remained but a vague shadow and a few dim lights floating in the dark. The world is gone. King's Landing, Riverrun, Pyke, and the Iron Islands, all the Seven Kingdoms, every place that he had ever known, every place he had ever read about or dreamed of, all gone. Only Winterfell remained. (A Ghost in Winterfell, ADwD 46)
  17. I'm sure there are a few. House Darry has been mentioned, though now it seems to have been 100% infested by the Freys, so who knows how that will go. Houses Goodbrook and Ryger both fought on the Targaryen side during the rebellion. So that's already three Houses. I think there are Houses that chose to follow their liege lord and fight against the Targaryens, but may have had and still have a soft spot for the Targaryens. Wyman Manderly's sort of outrage at the Frey "who bears a dragon's name" has always stood out to me as something more. I think we can look at the Reach Houses that chose to break away from Mace's decision to align himself with the Lannisters. I don't know that for instance the Fossoways are Targaryen loyalists, but they didn't seem interested in fighting for Joffrey. Jon Fossoway is married to Mace's sister. We don't really know why he made the choice he made. He doesn't have familial ties to Stannis like the Florents do. And he is not a storm lord where he was following a specific line of succession within House Baratheon. Ditto for the other Houses of the Reach that took up for Stannis. The Houses of Crackclaw Point if we go by what Nimble Dick told Brienne. Bonifer Hasty and possibly his House. He was named Castellan of Harrenhal in AFfC, so Harrenhal may not remain in Lannister hands for much longer.
  18. Love how Yandel got everything wrong then decided to write his own version of history to absolve the Lannisters from any wrongdoing. This is why I find it really hard to rely on anything TWoIaF for the Aerys period up to basically this passage.
  19. I haven't read The World of Ice and Fire in a couple of years, so I don't remember whether it names Rhaenys's killer, but you have to bear in mind who Yandel is catering to. We are told explicitly in ASoS that Rhaenys was in Rhaegar's chambers, hiding under his bed, one floor above the nursery where Elia and Aegon were. We are also told explicitly by Tywin that it was Amory Lorch who murdered her. He stabbed her half a hundred times because she kicked him and would not stop screaming. The bodies of the children were laid below the Iron Throne, Kevan in his thoughts says that Rhaenys was recognizable but that Aegon was a faceless horror.
  20. Rhaenys was stabbed repeatedly half-hundred times by Tywin's other monster. She was recognizable.
  21. I think the most revealing thing that Tywin tells Tyrion is that he did not tell Gregor to spare Elia. He says he doesn't even remember mentioning her to him. She was an afterthought, but at the same time, it wasn't a Crakehall or a Marbrand or some other bannerman who might balk at murdering to small children. He sent men he knew would not care about killing children. And if they don't care about that, then they will not care about killing the mother either. I do think we have a great parallel in the current story with Cersei, Allar Deem, Barra and her mother. The two situation are extremely similar.
  22. That's because he allegedly tore him out of his mother's arms and dashed his head against the wall. He didn't smash his face in like he did with Oberyn and Elia. Gregor is an eight foot tall monster and weighs over 400 lbs of muscle. Swinging a baby against a wall may have had the same sort of effect as him getting his head bashed in. He is such a gross character. As far as characters that should have died and stayed dead, he is it.
  23. But this has nothing to do with Tyrion having an active sex life. This has to do with his diminished status because he is a dwarf. He is the son of a great lord, but his marriage prospects are practically nonexistent because of his dwarfism. A bunch of Houses refused him as a possible husband for their daughters even though his father was the most powerful man in Westeros, even though he comes from a family that's filthy rich, even though for all intents he was his father's heir after Jaime was named to the Kinsguard. That's the point I was trying to make with Bran. Sure, Bran might be able to have an active sex life when he comes of age, but his marriage prospects are completely diminished because he is a cripple. Ned doesn't think in terms of whores and bastards. It's very possible that he is projecting the things he wouldn't do onto his son. If having children goes hand in hand with marriage in Ned's mind, then Bran's prospects for marriage pretty much evaporated when he fell and broke his back. Bran can have prostitutes, but can't have a wife and if he can't have a wife, then he can't have legitimate children. That's how I see it, at least. Of course it doesn't mean that and it comes down to whether Bran Stark, the knight of the Kingsguard, would keep his vows like Barristan Selmy or follow into Jaime and Lucamore the Lusty's footsteps.
  24. Sure, it doesn't make it true and we don't know what Ned is basing this on. But it's also about perception and cripples, dwarfs, simpleminded people in Westeros are treated differently from able bodied ones. Most men will not want to marry their daughters to a man who can't use his legs. We can look at the case of Tyrion. Tyrion came from the richest and most powerful family, but the Houses he was offered to in marriage refused him. Yohn Royce and Leyton Hightower said no. When he offered Hoster Tully to marry Tyrion to Lysa instead of Jaime, the answer was that he wanted a whole man for his daughter. Delena Florent's father preferred to marry her to a household knight instead. The only person who seemed fine making a marriage to Tyrion was Tanda Stokeworth, but she we also know what Lollys situation is. Willas Tyrell, the heir to Highgarden and the future Warden of the South, is not even married while Garlan the second son is. In his case, though, we don't know if it's because of the leg situation or if there's another reason. Bran was already a second son, so prospects already somewhat diminished. Add to that his accident and it's doubly difficult to find a wife for him. But he wanted to be a knight of the Kingsguard. The Kingsguard take no wives and father no children. So it's not like there wasn't already a path that had been traced for Bran.
  25. Here; "He was going to be a knight," Arya was saying now. "A knight of the Kingsguard. Can he still be a knight?" "No," Ned said. He saw no use in lying to her. "Yet someday he may be lord of a great holdfast and sit on the king's council. He might raise castles like Brandon the Builder, or sail a ship across the Sunset Sea, or enter your mother's Faith and become the High Septon." But he will never run beside his wolf again, he thought with a sadness too deep for words, or lie with a woman, or hold his own son in his arms. (Eddard V, AGoT 25) I don't really remember if there's another instance where this sentiment is repeated by someone else, though.
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