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  1. I haven't read A Song for Lya, but I think there are some really good indicators that connect the crypts to weirwoods. There's this quote in Bran II, AGoT; To a boy, Winterfell was a grey stone labyrinth of walls and towers and courtyards and tunnels spreading out in all directions. In the older parts of the castle, the halls slanted up and down so that you couldn't even be sure what floor you were on. The place had grown over the centuries like some monstrous stone tree, Maester Luwin told him once, and its branches were gnarled and thick and twisted, its roots sunk deep into the earth. The roots of Winterfell would be the sprawling crypts beneath it, where all the kings and the lords are buried. We get again the same reference in Bran VII, ACoK; At the edge of the wolfswood, Bran turned in his basket for one last glimpse of the castle that had been his life. Wisps of smoke still rose into the grey sky, but no more than might have risen from Winterfell's chimneys on a cold autumn afternoon. Soot stains marked some of the arrow loops, and here and there a crack or a missing merlon could be seen in the curtain wall, but it seemed little enough from this distance. Beyond, the tops of the keeps and towers still stood as they had for hundreds of years, and it was hard to tell that the castle had been sacked and burned at all. The stone is strong, Bran told himself, the roots of the trees go deep, and under the ground the Kings of Winter sit their thrones. So long as those remained, Winterfell remained. It was not dead, just broken. Like me, he thought. I'm not dead either. Plus Bran opened his third eye in the crypts, amidst what is considered the roots of Winterfell. He entered Jon's dream through Ghost. And I think that he did it once more in ADwD. So I think these places are similar if not the same.
  2. That's precisely my point. I think it was more of a show and tell than trying to convince Jon Conn with words. And you and I will have to keep disagreeing on who Septa Lemore is. But it's good to see you around
  3. I think that the question we never really ask is why Jon Connington believes that this is Aegon. Varys left King's Landing and traveled all the way to the Disputed Lands to find Jon Connington and recruit him. Connington doesn't even like Varys and he says that everything that he's done, he's done for Aegon's sake. So what did Varys tell him that convinced him of Aegon's legitimacy?
  4. Tyrion also made a two year mistake when he thought that Jon Snow was 12 in AGoT. I think one of the things that gets overlooked with this whole Aegon v. (f)Aegon (and I hate this nickname so much!) is the ground work that GRRM laid by using Jon Snow and his baby switcheroo at the Wall in order to save Mance's son. He wanted to scream. He wanted to howl and sob and shake and curl up in a little ball and whimper. He switched the babes, he told himself. He switched the babes to protect the little prince, to keep him away from Lady Melisandre's fires, away from her red god. If she burns Gilly's boy, who will care? No one but Gilly. He was only Craster's whelp, an abomination born of incest, not the son if the King-Beyond-the-Wall. He's no good for a hostage, no good for a sacrifice, no good for anything, he doesn't even have a name. (Sam II, AFfC) What Jon did at the Wall aligns exactly with what Varys may have done in King's Landing, with the role of Monster being played by the Pisswater Baby (who doesn't even have a name) and the role of Aegon being played by Aemon Steelsong. Varys even sent the baby out with a fat man, a maester and a wetnurse who has been his mother in all but name. When Aegon says that he was switched with another baby, I totally believe it. Nobody looked long at the body because it was in a horrible state. Even Davos, a grown adult, was switched out with another.
  5. Very probably Varys, who also took steps to send Gendry away from King's Landing after Robert's death.
  6. I don't believe any ironborn have been mentioned to have gone to King's Landing, although I wouldn't be surprised if Quellon Greyjoy did at some point.
  7. I think there's really just one indicator that YG could be a Blackfyre, and that's the Golden Company. The Slayer of Lies triad is not about him being a fake Targaryen, imo. That triad is a Azor Ahai triad and I will keep saying this until I'm blue in the face. All in all, I think there's more that indicates that YG is Aegon Targaryen than there is that says that he is someone else.
  8. Oberyn Martell: I think he was kept back in Dorne during the Rebellion. His last known movement before the rebellion was his presence at they tourney of Harrenhal. So either he went back home or he went to Dragonstone. Elia was pregnant and gave birth something like 2-3 months after the tourney. He wasn't the one led the Dornish host to the Trident, which doesn't mean that he wasn't part of it, but the Dornish host is also mentioned when we're give exposition about Lyn Corbray breaking that flank and killing Prince Lewyn. Plus we know for sure that Oberyn was in Dorne after the Sack of King's Landing since he tried to rouse Dorne for Viserys. And there are some really interesting things going on with him and Sarella in that she seems to know a thing or two about that prophecy. Richard Lonmouth: I know the speculation that he is Lem Lemoncloak has reached canon status in the fandom, which is entirely possible. But that means that Lem may never have gone back home. He would have settled in the riverlands where he got married, had a daughter and maybe he did that because he fought on Rhaegar's side and simply couldn't return home after Rhaegar's death. We know that both his wife and child were killed during the War of the Five Kings. The flip side of that is that the A World of Ice and Fire App states that Lem was in King's Landing during the tourney of the Hand and left with Beric and Thoros for the Mummer's Ford. So things don't really fit for me. It's possible that Richard Lonmouth has just been home since the end of Robert's Rebellion. I sort of always wondered if he wasn't also at the ToJ and one of those "they" who had found Ned holding his Lyanna's hand after she died. Ashara Dayne -- She's dead. Maester Walys: I think he's well and alive and simply moved on from Winterfell after the rebellion. I'm pretty convinced that he will appear in Oldtown in TWoW. He's either a maester at the Citadel or a maester at the Hightower. And I'm more inclined to think that he is at the Hightower.
  9. The whole water magic aspect of things is something that's not spoken of nearly enough, imo. I think that was the purpose of the trip down the Rhoyne to the biggest center of water magic, and why I'm convinced Young Griff is very much Aegon Targaryen. Why would Aerys want to minimize Targ access to fire magic, though ,when he was trying to hatch dragons himself? I don't think Elia's death would have mattered because Aerys would still have chosen his son's next bride. And it still wouldn't have been Cersei.
  10. I think it's two fold. First, we have that kerfuffle between Tywin and the Princess of Dorne and the way he spurned her, undoing the plans that she and Joanna had made for their children. Second, there are no highborn ladies that Rhaegar can marry that fall into that age bracket where they can start having children right away. Elia has Valyrian blood from something like a 100 years before. But the really interesting thing about her is that first, she is Dornish, and second her health is frail. And those two things matter. We are in a post-Duskendale world where Aerys is convinced that Tywin wanted him dead, that Tywin arranged for Steffon Baratheon's death (since Aerys was allegedly intent on executing Tywin and giving the Handship to Steffon). Aerys becomes paranoid of Rhaegar. So to answer that question about who arranged the marriage, I think that the Princess of Dorne went to Aerys with the proposal, maybe even told him what transpired between her and Tywin when she went to Casterly Rock with her children. For me Rhaegar's marriage to Elia always came off as something vengeful against Tywin, something to skewer him with. The Princess of Dorne gets what she wants and Aerys gets what he wants. Aerys wanting a bride of Valyrian blood for Rhaegar then marrying him off to Elia was, I think, designed to cripple him politically and then some. Marrying Rhaegar off to a foreign bride does nothing for Rhaegar's political standing. And marrying him to a Dornish princess does nothing for his political standing either. In both cases, Rhaegar was going to be politically isolated. Young lordlings can flock to Rhaegar all they want, the fact remains that their fathers swore oaths to Aerys, not his son. And some lords are not exactly fans of Dorne. And then we have Elia's health. We don't know what was wrong with her, but we are told a couple of times that she wasn't the healthiest person. With a House that had dwindled to 4 members, Aerys chose a bride for his son who was not exactly hale and hearty. He chose a woman who was sickly. And Aerys is a man who lost a bunch of children through miscarriages, cradle deaths, stillbirths. So my speculation is that Rhaegar's marriage to Elia kills two birds with one stone. It hurts Rhaegar's political prospects, since it seems Aerys was worried his son was going to remove him from the throne; and it puts uncertainty on the marriage producing heirs. And perhaps that was the hope, that Rhaegar and Elia would not have children. I think that the whole "she smells Dornish" comment about Rhaenys may have been due in part to that. Elia gave birth to a healthy child. I don't think Rhaegar or Rhaella had a say in who Rhaegar married. Before Duskendale, maybe. But not after. Not when he was becoming paranoid and untrusting of his family. ETA - Aerys saying that Rhaenys smelled Dornish is, I think, more politically motivated than racist. If Rhaenys smells Dornish, then so does her brother, who is Rhaegar's heir and the heir to the Iron Throne after his father. And Aerys saying what he said gives others carte blanche to say the same thing, whether it's in support of their king because they are ass kissers, or because they simply don't like the Dornish and/or Rhaegar's marriage. So Aerys hurts his son there too.
  11. It's definitely a nod to Rhaegar and Lyanna. Even the name Rickon, Sara's father, is close to Rickard. The funniest thing about the whole story was how pissed Cregan was about Jace and Sara sleeping together then went "it's all good, you little rascals" because they married in the godswood. I wonder if Cregan slapped Jace on his back when he welcomed him to the family. The thing is, Jace needed the marriage to Baela, given all the rumors about his bastardy. His marriage to Baela would have consolidated his power and hold on the throne. I think the whole idea is that the Pact of Ice and Fire went unfulfilled for like 150 years. Cregan never got that Targaryen bride for his son. And even later, when the Targaryens were marrying their daughters off outside the family, House Stark doesn't seem to have been considered. And when Aegon V and his wife were making alliances, Shaena and Rhaelle don't seem to have been considered as possible brides for House Stark. Even marrying a Stark lady to a Targaryen prince doesn't seem like it was something that was on the table.
  12. The first one who makes an appearance in the story is a Liddle back in a Bran, ASoS. I don't know if you remember the cave scene. He shares his food with Bran and the others. After that, yes, they show up in The Wayward Bride chapter. The one who calls Asha that lovely word is Morgan Liddle. After Deepwood, they all head toward Winterfell to take it back from the Boltons, but get stranded at the crofter's village, that's where you'll find them in the tracker under crofter's village since it's their last known location.
  13. I'm confused by this. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I could be very wrong, in which case, you have my apologies, but I think you might be confusing characters marching with Stannis with the two clansmen leaders who are at Castle Black. I have a characters tracker that I put together some time ago. Infighting is entirely possible. Definitely can't rule it out, but the wildlings outnumber pretty much all the others at Castle Black.
  14. So there are Flints and Norreys marching with Stannis, along with Hugo Wull and Morgan Liddle. But at Castle Black, we have both the Flint, Torghen, and the Norrey, Brandon. Those two are too old to march, so they sent along sons and grandsons with Stannis. These two came to Castle Black with small retinues, one wetnurse each for Monster, and were there when Alys Karstark and Sigorn got hitched. Jon spoke to them atop the Wall after he met with Tormund and negotiated his and the wildlings' passage south of the Wall. I disagree with you from a practical standpoint. If the Flint and the Norrey are aware of Robb's will, which I think they very likely are, then the Bowen Marsh didn't just shank the lord commander of the Night's Watch, but also their king. All these people banding together for a common cause to take down a bunch of mutineers makes sense to me.
  15. Flint and Norrey were presumably still at Castle Black when Jon was stabbed. When Wun Wun loses his ish on Ser Patrek, Jon notes that men were pouring out from the surrounding towers, and he sees northmen amongst them.
  16. No one will side with Bowen. Not the northern lords who are still at Castle Black, nor the wildlings and especially not Melisandre.
  17. Even the times with Yoren weren't great when it came to food. They had to forage for it in a war zone. She caught a rabbit, so Yoren gave her a whole leg that she shared with Gendry, but the others (IIRC they were about 19 in the group) got a spoonful, which is nowhere near enough for growing boys or grown men. The last good meal she had was at the Ivy Inn. After Yoren died, she ate bugs and worms and acorn paste, sometimes she had only water and acorn and she went days without eating anything. Arya was on the road for months before she landed at Harrenhal, where she did eat much better. Arya's journey started on the day she fled the Red Keep and landed in Flea Bottom where she wasn't exactly fed and she spent maybe a couple of weeks there before Yoren found her. I think those months were enough to stunt her growth for a bit.
  18. Arya is underfed for a while while she's on the road, then taken prisoner, walking miles upon miles a day. It makes sense that it would have stunted her growth a little. Arya was 11 in ADwD, so she spent something like a year and half living through instability and moving around and through a war zone. Precisely. The expectation about the Knight of the Laughing Tree is that he's a man, which would make him short in stature. But a 14 year old girl might actually be within the expected height for her age.
  19. 1. I think that Drogo's promise hinged on the promise that was made to him. I think it goes back to the Stallion Who Mounts the World business. Why did Drogo choose/decide to marry the penniless daughter of a king and a dynasty that was deposed? 2. I don't know what Drogo expected. But we know that Illyrio did not want Viserys on that journey to Vaes Dothrak. He wanted him to stay put. Drogo must have been aware of the plan from the start, especially when we read the Lost Lord, ADwD. The expectations from everyone, from the Golden Company to Jon Connington was that Viserys was joining them with the Drogo and his horse. I personally don't think that Viserys was going to be part of those plans for very long. Nobody respects Viserys, including Illyrio. So I very much doubt Viserys was going to be allowed to continue on this journey without some unfortunate accident happening to him at some point. 3. I know that everybody believes that lllyrio is Aegon's father. I don't. I think Aegon is very much the real deal. Illyrio seems to be a worshipper of the Lord of Light, which would make things really interesting when we know that the red priests can read the flames and that the prophecy that's driving them is the same one that's been driving the Targaryens for centuries.
  20. About what Melisandre told Jon about the prince that was promised, it's more of an escalation on Jon's part and his frustration at Melisandre coming out. Melisandre was wrong about the grey girl on the dying horse, which he's not letting her forget, he thinks she's wrong about the daggers in the dark, the prince that was promised is directly connected to him giving push back on the whole Stannis being Azor Ahai because he was born at Storm's End. He wants to know where Rattleshirt and the spearwives are, where Stannis is and where his sister is. Straight up, I think that the whole "grey girl on the dying horse, daggers in the dark, a promised prince born in salt and smoke," is GRRM outlining and giving us an outline of what's about to happen. The three events are all connected to Jon. The grey girl was supposed to be Arya, the daggers in the dark is his stabbing. The grey girl on the dying horse has already happened if the grey girl is Alys Karstark or should be happening just as Jon is stabbed if Jeyne Poole is the grey girl. Her arrival at CB fits the timeline. By the end of the chapter, Jon is stabbed by his sworn brothers. So we have the first two events here, leaving only the last one, the promised prince. So Jon's rebirth should essentially be in full swing in TWoW. I don't think it matters whether Jon or Jon's body is dead or not. I don't think it changes much, tbh, especially since it seems that he warged into Ghost, given what Melisandre sees in the flames in her chapter.
  21. I think my point was that Craster and his wives were protected as long as Craster provided sons. Regardless of the reason the Others chose him to be their baby factory, once the Long Night came, I don't think they were going to need him or his wives anymore. And now that he's dead, they don't need the women. Craster's "human" line (if his sons are really turned into Others) was going to die out regardless. I don't know that they are related, but I think that she does have king's blood. And the Azor Ahai prophecy has two moving parts to it. I wouldn't necessarily say that he's a good guy or a bad one. I think he falls right in the middle. I think that he is someone who did what was required of him in the moment. You have to have people who are willing to make the hard choice and he was that person. In a sense, and for me, this goes back to Maester Aemon's parting words to Jon Snow when he told him to kill the boy. He also told him that he thought that Jon has the strength in him to do what must be done and I think that this is the type of character AA was AA sacrificed Nissa Nissa's life for the greater good, but I think that the larger story is that Nissa Nissa willingly sacrificed herself for the greater good. The real hero of the story for me, is Nissa Nissa. If there's no Nissa Nissa, then there is no sword that the Others cannot stand against and AA wouldn't have entered the realm of legends.
  22. I don't think it matters that Craster is running his bloodline out of existence by giving up the boys. The Long Night is coming and I doubt the Others were going to feed the people of Craster's Keep or shelter them from the cold. I'm willing to bet that every woman and girl at the keep is dead at this point. Whatever the Others' objectives are/were, whatever they were biding their time for, the Others, imo, weren't going to need Craster or his wives anymore once the Long Night fell. The mutiny by the Night's Watch precipitated things.
  23. I don't know that they would parallel the dragons, but rather the Targaryens. I think there are many ways the blood of the Others could have entered the Stark line. Option one is the most obvious, which would be marriage. The Starks are known to take the daughters of the defeated and marry them. They did it with the daughters of the Marsh King, which might have introduced the warging ability into the line. It's possible that Bran the Builder married a female Other. Option two has to do with the Night's King who may have been a Stark. We know that he had children with his queen and that only after he was taken down was it found out that he had been sacrificing to the Others. I think it's possible that Brandon the Breaker would have taken in his brother's child and raised them at Winterfell as his bastard for instance, just like Ned did with Jon. There is a running theme with the Starks raising baby boys under assumed identities. There's Jon Snow and there's Bael the Bard's son as well, which according to Ygritte means that the Starks have wildling blood. Without a shadow of a doubt, imo. There must always be a Stark in Winterfell, Winter is Coming sounds like a warning, there's a horn called the Horn of Winter. The last hero might be a Stark. Winterfell knew things that it has now forgotten. The Starks and Winterfell are most definitely central to everything that's going on. I like how there's a giant snow storm engulfing the castle when the Boltons lay claim to it. It's also funny that the reason there is no longer a Stark in Winterfell is because a Greryjoy essentially scattered them, and now there's a Greyjoy all the way in the south who is getting ready to enact some massive blood sacrifice that will bring about who knows what. I have a library of notes that I have been accumulating for something like 5 years now. It started out of boredom and because I thought TWoW was about to be released and grew into a monster. I've spent so much time doing this that I remember full sentences and entire paragraphs and I know exactly what key words to search for if I'm using the ice and fire search engine, I know which POV and I know which book. Nobody should feel stupid for not remembering things. People like me just need to be carted off in a straight jacket.
  24. The biggest threat against the world is the thing that we know the least about! I vote for a POV in the lands of always winter. The way I see the Others is that they need all kinds for their society to survive and thrive. What is regarded as a sacrifice by Craster and his wives is probably regarded as something different by the Others. We don't know how the Long Night ended, we don't know if there were deals put in place between the Others and humans. But a person has to be willing to make the sacrifice for whatever to work. Nissa Nissa wasn't just sacrificed. She was also a willing sacrifice. And I think we can apply what Melisandre told Davos in ASoS about sacrifice. If a man has a thousand cows, then it's not a real sacrifice, but if he has just the one cow and sacrifices it, then that's different. Craster has sons, but he has no sons to speak of because he is willingly giving them up. One of the wives in Sam II, ASoS, straight up tells Sam to take Gilly, the baby and go because the baby's brothers who are Craster's sons are on their way. She can feel the white cold rising out there and she is not wrong, because it seems that Craster's Keep was in fact attacked in ADwD. The mutineers of the NW that Coldhands kills in Bran II, ADwD, have no reason to leave Craster's Keep unless the Others showed up. And if Craster's sons are in fact being turned into Others, then there's part of the answer there. Plus I think that there is an element of blood purity happening here as well. Craster's sons are also his grandsons, his nephews, his cousins and probably his brothers too. The Targaryens married each other because of (allegedly) a magical bond that exists between them and their dragons. So I tend to think that there may be something similar going on with the Others. Actually, I think that there is something to be said about the Targaryens ability to hatch dragons once they started marrying outside the family (or outside Valyrian families) more frequently. In fact, I don't think it's a coincidence that Dany, a descendant of two sibling to sibling marriages managed to do what her great grandfather, Egg, whose mother was a Dayne and grandmother a Martell, failed at. The conditions at Drogo's pyre and Summerhall were exactly the same, but she succeeded where he failed. I think that blood "purity" for the Others for some reason seems to matter enough that they have been going to Craster and his baby factory. We don't hear about them taking babies from other wildlings and when Old Nan tells Bran about the Long Night, she tells him that even suckling babes found no pity in them. I did have the thought that Craster's sons are used to make children with female Others.
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