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  1. Widow's Watch

    Small Questions v. 10105

    So in the appendix of AFFC, the names of all of Leyton Hightower's brood and their own children and the name of his 4th wife, but we don't get the name of his babies mama. Does anyone know if this was ever addressed by GRRM?
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    R+L=J v.165

    I do have a couple of ideas where they might have stayed. We do have one of Rhaegar's companions who is still unaccounted for. Whether Lem is Richard Lonmouth remains to be seen. But that's a good place to hide if his House is fighting on the Targaryen side, which I think they would. Once Rhaegar is killed on the Trident and King's Landing is sacked with the results that we know, it's just time to go. Everyone could have been making their way south after that. That's idea 1. Idea 2 is a bit far fetched.
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    R+L=J v.165

    There's nothing that says he didn't, though. Because Ned found everyone at the ToJ doesn't mean they were there for the whole war. I think there's a good possibility that they were at some castle until they found out the last allies of Targaryen, the Reach in this case, bent the knee to Robert. I don't know, for me personally, it's a stretch that this tower in the desert, that cannot really be defended, would have been where four people would have stayed for months and months and received messages about what was going on in the war.
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    But there's a reason Edmure "hates" music and that's Tom's fault and the floppy trout song he made.
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    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    I am willing. It says you cannot receive messages, so if you want to message me.
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    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    This is my problem with the app and the world book, they muddy the waters a lot. I have a love-hate relationship with the world book, especially. You got 'd by my spreadsheet
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    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    Lord Robert, Lyanna's betrothed, was consumed by the need to avenge himself on Rhaegar, but the prince could not be found for the first months of the war. Rumor had it that he was in the south with Lyanna, at the place he called the Tower of Joy, near the red mountains of Dorne. But eventually his father sent Ser Gerold Hightower to recall Rhaegar to his duties, though Rhaegar ordered Ser Gerold, Ser Arthur, and Ser Oswell to keep guard over Lyanna in the south. (WoIaF App)
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    Question regarding Mad King !!

    With regard to this quote, I wonder if this is actual madness or if there's something in Targaryen "lore" about it, ie waking dragons. Even what happened at Summerhall, knowing the results of that, it seems like a complete fit of madness what Aegon V did there, trying to hatch the dragons, but the ritual that was used at Summerhall (sorcery, fire, blood) and what Dany did to hatch her dragons seem to be two very similar things in nature. What Dany did, walking into the flames of Drogo's pyre was completely insane. The difference between Dany and Aegon is that she succeeded and as far as we know, he failed.
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    Question regarding Mad King !!

    I think we can go as far back as Summerhall where a lot of the family was decimated. I mean we still don't know what happened there, if it was really the wildfire that got out of control or an attempt to get rid of the Targaryens. It just seems like there are all these events that exacerbated him. I personally don't think he was all that wrong about Tywin. I agree with this. No one questioned his sanity. Is what Aerys did at Duskendale to the Darklyns and Hollards that much different from what Tywin did to the Reynes and Tarbecks? Tywin erased two old lines without blinking an eye and allegedly smiled when Tarbeck Hall came crashing down. What Aerys did to the Starks was pretty savage. I think we can all agree on that, but it seems to be a direct response to Brandon's threat against the life of the crown prince. Brandon and Brandon alone should have been held accountable for that, though. And then when we start looking at Rickard's so-called southern ambitions, it could very well be that Aerys may have bought into this with the likes of Staunton and Chelsted telling him that Rhaegar crowning Lyanna the QoLaB at Harrenhal was meant as a political move and to gain the support of Winterfell. Brandon becomes the bait to lure Rickard to King's Landing and to his death. It doesn't help any that Aerys was surrounded with people that fed his paranoia. I am looking forward to finding out more about all of this from Barristan and I imagine Varys will talk about this at some point as well.
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    There isn't. But by the time Robb dies, Winterfell has been sacked and its people dead or dispersed. I think it will be mentioned once Winterfell has been taken back. It's possible that Robb will never come to rest at Winterfell, though, which I find pretty sad.
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    Division of the Kingsguard of Aerys II

    Jon Darry is there with Rhaegar and Jaime when Rhaegar tells Jaime that changes will be made after the battle (of the Trident). So it doesn't seem like Rhaegar is hiding things from these men. And even Barristan in his personal thoughts seems to be leaning toward supporting whatever Rhaegar was intent on doing, but he laments that he never trusted him as he trusted Arthur. I think the Kingsguard would have fallen in line with having Aerys's powers restricted. It's not like Rhaegar was planning to go to war against Aerys (as far as we know at least).
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    Has the screaming gull at the kingsmoot ever been brought up? (The Drowned Man, AFFC 19) The gull screamed loudly above them, and landed atop Nagga's ribs as the Lord of t he Lonely Light made his way back down the hill. The gull cried once more, a raucous scream, forlorn. "Make your claim, Victarion," the Merlyn called. "Let us have done with this mummer's farce." Euron Greyjoy climbed the hill slowly, with every eye upon him. Above the gull screamed and screamed again. No godless man may sit the Seastone Chair, Aeron thought, but he knew that he must let his brother speak. His lips moved silently in prayer.
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    R+L=J v.165

    We don't know that he didn't try, though. By the time the Battle of the Bells rolled around, I think it may have been just too late to sue for peace anyway. I personally think that the only reason Rhaegar even bothered going back to King's Landing was because he found out Elia and the children were there.
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    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    The thing with the Lannisters is that they have a history of eliminating people without blinking an eye. The Tarbecks/Reynes were erased. Rhaenys, Aegon and Elia were murdered during the Sack of King's Landing. Ned was beheaded and Sansa was kept as a hostage, Jon thinks that Arya was killed there. Jon doesn't know that Ned's death has someone else's paw prints on it, but history is not on the side of the Lannisters in this. If I were walking in his shoes, I would not think I can trust the people ruling the realm either. What would have happened if Maester Aemon had written a letter saying that the Others are a real thing and that they are killing beyond the Wall and raising dead people? Thorne went to King's Landing and his pleas fell on deaf ears, and it makes it worse that it was Tyrion who was taking the petition. Yes, Tyrion hates Thorne and it was a complete miscalculation on Mormont's part to send him. But Tyrion knew of Mormont's concerns. When Varys brought up the talk of dragons in the east during a small council meeting, Tywin interrupted him and moved on to something else. When Aurane Waters brought up the talk of dragons during a small council meeting, Cersei dismissed it. When Qyburn told Cersei about dragons in Meereen, she said, no, it's harpies they have there. So yes, I think the people in King's Landing were a lost cause. There's no way they believe talk of the Others or wights. Dragons have been gone for more than 100 years and any sort of talk of them is being dismissed in King's Landing. I imagine that everyone would laugh their asses off if Jon wrote them about the Others. No one is even sure these things existed.
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    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    I haven't read the whole thread because these usually turn into a Jon bashing session, but the damage in King's Landing was already done. Tywin did not want to help the NW in ASOS because whatever was happening in the north was the northmen and the ironborn's problem. And Slynt wrote to King's Landing to tell them that Stannis was trying to make common cause with the wildlings (Cersei IV, AFFC 17). Jon's command is already undermined. The letter Maester Aemon wrote and that was sent was meaningless after that.
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