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  1. No, the values of Arya's culture have the Lord or Lady of the land the deserter was captured on sentence the person to die and then behead them. Arya doesn't have the authority to execute a deserter AND SHE KNOWS THAT. She didn't deliver the king's justice, she was just angry that Jon was at the Wall and this guy was enjoying his life, free of the responsibility of the Night's Watch, got angry and killed him. That's murder in Westeros. And she wasn't even in Westeros anymore; she was in Braavos, a whole other country. Arya is mentally ill, I grant you that, but her culture wasn't the driver of her committing murder.
  2. I'm sure Tywin had a plan. After all, he'd not loose Casterly Rock after he hand delivered Kings Landing to Robert. If worse came to worst, Tywin could marry Cersei to Stannis, or to another house. Remember, Cersei was very beautiful and nobody knew she was batshit crazy outside of family members. Finding her a husband useful to Tywin wouldn't have been difficult. However, Robert really was fish in a barrel. Tywin of all people knew the crown's finances even before the rebellion. House Lannister, particularly with Tywin at its head, was not a house that could be left twisting in the wind. Robert needed to bring them into the fold, and while Robert wouldn't care, Jon Arryn was wise enough to get it. The terms were the only thing open to debate. With all of the other daughters of high lords already married, Cersei was Robert's best option for legitimization of his rule and paying off debt the Targaryens incurred. Had Cersei given Robert trueborn children, even if they were just the same as the ones she had with Jaime, only with black hair, Tywin had a decent shot at that dynasty that would last a thousand years.
  3. I've wondered about this too. There are two explanations I can think of. Firstly, the the smallfolk soldiers came all the way from the Westerlands and wanted a piece of the action, which wasn't under Tywin's control. Remember, common men don't see real gains in war, only the highborn do, so taking what they can get and raping women that would never otherwise consent, with impunity, is really all they have in war. Tywin knew this so he didn't even try to stop them as it would be like herding cats. The other option is that the Mountain and his men needed time to get to the Red Keep, find Rhaegar's children and kill them. I still don't believe Tywin ordered Elia raped or killed, but I am 100% positive that he ordered Rhaenys and Aegon killed and wrapped in Lannister cloaks to present to Robert. This was done to prevent Jon Arryn and Ned Stark from being able to convince Robert to show mercy to them. If they were allowed to live, then Cersei and Robert's future kids would never be secure on the Iron Throne, so Tywin didn't want to give Robert the option of letting them live. To that end, he chose not to stop his men from sacking and raping, even though he could have stopped it. This is not to say he ordered it, only that he knew it would happen and made no effort to prevent it or end it once it had begun, at least until he knew that Rhaegar's kids were dead.
  4. Yes, but so did Barristan Selmy. He was ignored and Robert could have refused Jaime's demand to remain in his service, chalked it up to fearing a known 'kingslayer', or at least that would be his official excuse. Then he could give Jaime to Tywin in exchange for the Mountain and Amory Lorch.
  5. I believe Tywin would have accepted the Mountain and Lorch being executed or sent to the Wall, but not Jaime. Jaime was Tywin's golden boy, the one who he did everything for (or at least he told himself that). Indeed, if Robert had forced Jaime out of the Kingsguard the way Joffrey and Cersei eventually forced Barriston Selmy out, Tywin would have happily handed over Lorch and the Mountain. He might even have forgiven the crown's eventual debt for a Jaime free to marry, handed over to Tywin. What's 3 million gold dragons compared to an heir and future grandchildren to inherit after him?
  6. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because people kill and enslave with swords, doesn't justify doing the same with dragons. Both are evil, but dragons are solely accessible to those with special blood, which leaves those possessing such blood effectively unaccountable for their actions. A man or woman who murders or enslaves with a sword can be made to answer for their crimes far more easily.
  7. Yes, Tywin is meticulous, but I believe he fail in being precise enough, that it was an oversight rather than intentional. But he learned. He was far more precise come the Wot5K.
  8. Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you were going all R'hllor / Great Other on me with your previous statements, basically crediting a deity or intelligent designer for all of Westeros' woes.
  9. Magic doesn't necessarily wake the White Walkers (mixed my media with the books and shows, mea culpa). Think of it like a person kept unconscious with sedatives. Remove the sedatives, or dilute them to the point where they can't do their job, and the person wakes up. The magic of the Wall kept the White Walkers asleep. Weaken it enough and they wake.
  10. While I agree it's a dragon and egg problem, which came first, the death of dragons or the decline of magic, the reason for these swings in magic remain unclear. Yes the Doom of Valyria may have been the cause, but what if the Doom was a result of magical decline? Still, whatever caused the decline of magic, the Wall's magic would follow with all the other magics, allowing the Night King to waken and set up shop in the Land of Always Winter. Oh no, now I've had a really dark thought. What if the reason the Free Folk are on the northern side of the wall was as a blood sacrifice to the Others? They weren't just on the wrong side of the wall, they were put there to be slaughtered when magic got too weak and the Night King rose again in order to generate enough blood magic, via their deaths and resurrection as wights, to jumpstart magic in the world because those who built the Wall had a vested interest in preventing magic from disappearing from Planetos.
  11. To what purpose? And why are the 7 Kingdoms so special that they have to be unified through forces outside their own will? What's more, there appeared to be too much free will in Beric Dondarrion for him to merely be a tool of a flame. Mellissandre makes too many mistakes. Seriously, the flame that you've given intelligence and intent to looks like a major screw up if its goal is unification without regards to human interests like who stays on what side of what wall or who sits the Iron Throne, or who's god is worshiped where, etc.
  12. I was thinking about what could have woken the White Walkers, and I had an idea. We know from various sources (Quaithe, the acolytes at the Citadel, the Pyromancer in Kings Landing, etc.) that when dragons left the world, magic declined, making it impossible for glass candles to be lit and much harder for those trained in magic to use it. What if this wasn't merely a problem for those using fire magic, but all magic. If so, then the Wall's spells might gave been slowly weakening over the century and a half since the last dragon died. What if one of the Wall's functions was to keep the White Walkers asleep. When the magic weakened, the Walkers woke up, and started killing people, effectively creating blood sacrifices everywhere they went. Each death increased the well of global magic until it grew large enough to power the hatching of dragons eggs. The dragons created more magic, as they kill more people, etc. I've stated in other posts that in the World of Ice and Fire that magic could be an added layer of nature that doesn't exist in our world. As such, it would follow certain natural laws particular to that world. If so, then the Citadel's supposed goal (according to Marwyn) of ridding the World of Ice and Fire of magic is a fool's errand. It would be like ridding our world of gravity, expecting to live without it. This would also mean that Euron Greyjoy isn't some outlier, performing some magical ritual rather than participating in the game of thrones, but he's playing to win the game of thrones by making such a massive blood sacrifice that he controls the game permanently.
  13. Renly. People, both highborn and low, wanted him as their king. He could compromise where Stannis wouldn't. He wasn't some ascetic who'd kick all the prostitutes out of Kings Landing and try to force a foreign religion onto his people. Renly would likely have worked out a deal with Robb, something akin to what Dorne traditionally had, where the North would be effectively independent while still nominally part of the Seven Kingdoms. He also would have accepted that the Lannisters were a part of life in Westeros. He'd remove them from power and have Cersei and Joffrey executed for treason, but he'd negotiate to have Tommen, and Myrcella, and possibly Tyrion, kept as hostages at Storm's End rather than killed, for the right price (Robert's debts wiped or at least the Lannister portion of them). Renly wanted peace and a return to normal, minus Lannister influence, and he'd be willing to horse-trade a hugely beneficial deal behind the scenes with Tywin once he had all the other Kingdoms on his side. Getting the Lannisters out of Westeros all together, taking Casterly Rock from them, would take years longer, both in fighting and siege, and cost countless more lives; better to beat them down and make a point the way Robert once did with the Greyjoys after their rebellion. Once Tywin saw Renly as having the entire realm on his side, save the Westerlands (and possibly the Iron Islands), he'd bend the knee, accept his losses, and move forward. Once the peace was negotiated, Tywin's primary goal would be getting Jaime to safety and under his own control (if Jaime was still alive). If paying off the crown's debts and higher taxes until the Iron Bank, the Tyroshi cartels, and the Faith were paid off was the price of that, he'd swallow his ego and go along. Even if Jaime was killed Tywin would grieve and then begin the task of rebuilding. He'd take a keener interest in controlling the lives of his siblings and their children, likely remarry despite his distaste for the idea, and set his attention to ensuring he lives long enough to raise family #2 better than family #1. Tywin would see the fight to regain power as a fight for the next generation, with his war being against time in order to prepare them. Thus Renly would be king and the realm would lick its wounds, at least until the Night's Watch found a way to convince people of the threat of the dead. However, Renly, through his flexibility and his lack of great conviction beyond removing the Lannisters from power and becoming king, would have kept far more people alive to fight the dead once he was convinced of the threat. Ultimately, that was the most important thing.
  14. I never said Tywin wasn't culpable for the Mountain raping and killing Elia, only that I believe he didn't order it. I'm 100% certain he ordered Rhaenys and baby Aegon's deaths. That was totally in keeping with Tywin. Indeed, I'm also of the opinion that it was Tywin who sent assassins after Viserys and Dany after they left the House with the Red Door, not Robert, as Jon Arryn had him on a leash when it came to killing children during those years. That said, I think we've gone around and around on this. We both see the situation differently. We should just agree to disagree.
  15. If Ned had been the one to reveal the truth to Robert, knowing Robert's temper, then yes it would have been Ned's fault. To say other wise removes Robert's agency. Once told, Robert would have a choice to make. Ned knows his BFF well enough to know what choice he'd make. So if things had gone down where Robert had lived and been told BY NED, then yes, Ned would be responsible.
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