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  1. aeverett

    Tarth's Bannermen?

    I would think that though House Tarth isn't a major house, they must have Bannermen, at least as many as Bear Island. I wonder why Brienne hasn't written Lord Selwyn, explained the Army of the Dead thing, and had them come North. Does anyone know how many men we'd be talking about? I don't know if Tarth's population has ever been discussed.
  2. I've been thinking about the insanity displayed by many of the Targs and have come to a conclusion that runs counter to what most would expect. We know that the Valyrians (Targs included) started out as ordinary goat herders until they discovered dragon eggs. They tended the eggs, and slowly, over time noticed physical changes to themselves (Silver hair, oddly colored eyes, better stamina in hot weather, etc) as well as gained the ability to bond with dragons. This goes on for over five millennia, until Daenys has her dreams (or the Targs get into trouble at court) and the Targ family moves to Dragonstone. The doom happens nearly a century later, and a few years after that Aegon begins his conquest. However, Aegon's sons married outside the Valyrian bloodlines. Several generations of Targs did so, even if most kept the incest tradition. Dany and Jon have the blood of House Hightower, House Blackwood, House Martell, etc. in them, and we readers and viewers tend to see that as a good thing. Non-magical humans suffer horribly when they engage in multiple generations of sibling to sibling inbreeding, but what if it's really the outbreeding, not the inbreeding, that drives Targs like Aerion Brightflame and Aerys II insane? Think about it this way; when they produced offspring with non-Valyrians, their physiology began to revert back to that of normal human beings, but retained enough magic to drive them mad. What's more, it wouldn't strike every Targ as the balance of Valyrian to Westerosi genes would be luck of the draw at conception, like a coin flip. From what we've seen with Robert, Stannis, and Renly, and little Shireen, enough out breeding removes the insanity problem, but takes with it the special magic that gives those with 'the blood of Old Valyria' the ability to control dragons. This would put Dany, Jon, and their descendants in a rough spot. Healthy children with no magic and no dragons, or half their family going mad, but the sane ones taking to the skies and ensuring a permanent dynasty built on fire and blood.
  3. aeverett

    What If Tywin Lied About Casterly Rock?

    Firstly, Tywin doesn't trust Cersei. If she thought it in Myrcella or Tommen's best interests that they know that Casterly rock still has plenty of gold, she's going to blab. He'd want her and Tyrion in the dark as he wouldn't believe either worthy of knowing the truth. As for Jaime, he wouldn't want to tell him till he took his place at Casterly Rock. Kevan would likely be the only other person who knew the truth; So long as the mines of Casterly rock produce, the IIron Bank is the problem. They will lend as much money as the king desires if they believe they can get the Lannisters to pay the debt, that's a blank check to unaccountable, spendthrift kings, with Tywin seated on the sidelines while Robert, and then Joffrey, frittered away generations of Lannister wealth. Faking dry mines would force prudence and responsibility when the Iron Bank curtailed its lending. It would also compel the crown to rely more on him, seeing as much of the debt is owned to his house. As for the Tyrells, it's a good match and leaves open the option of shifting the burden of repayment of outstanding debt to another house. After all, a king has to marry someone and binding the two most powerful houses in marriage would help keep the peace, which again is good for debt repayment.
  4. aeverett

    What If Tywin Lied About Casterly Rock?

    When the Lannister gold mines supposedly ran dry, Robert was still alive and there was no indication that he'd die anytime soon. Joffrey was turning out much like Robert, at least in his lack of self discipline and frugality, and Tywin had no idea of Littlefinger's intentions of starting multiple wars for the sole purpose of destabilizing the realm. And you're right, taking Highgarden by force would have made a lot unnecessary enemies, but marrying into the Tyrells wouldn't given Tywin the wealth of the Reach. Officially Joffrey is a Baratheon, so his marriage to Maergary doesn't directly benefit House Lannister. It anything its benefit is in that it shifts the burden of repayment of the royal debt to House Tyrell, and the Iron Bank won't care which cash cow it gets it's pound of flesh from. Cersei's marriage is even less advantageous for House Lannister, as her children with Loras (assuming they had any) would be Tyrells, No, the purpose of that match was to sideline Cersei so she couldn't get in Tywin's way with her sons; she'd made too many mistakes and failed to contain Joffrey's excesses. Shipping her off to Highgarden solved that problem and would put her in the same household with Olenna Tyrell, who Tywin did respect and whom Cersei might learn a thing or two from. However, my argument was that Tywin wanted to appear to have fewer resources for the Iron Bank to exploit. If taking Highgarden through marriage had been his plan, he would have used his control of Joffrey (or Robert before him) to get Jaime booted out of the Kingsguard against his will and then married off to Maergary, while Joffrey would have married Sansa or some other valuable chess piece. Olenna is old and Mace is dumb. Once Olenna is gone (possibly with a little help), Loras could be heralded into the Kingsguard, or publically exposed for his buggery and sent to the Wall,, leaving the future of House Tyrell firmly in Lannister hands and baring the Lannister name. Unless Mace remarried and had more sons (in the show he only had Loras) at some point, Maergary is heir to Highgarden, and Maergary would have to live with Jaime at Casterly Rock. Her kids, Lannister lions every one, would be the heirs to Highgarden and Casterly Rock. That would be the only way for Tywin to use a marriage to gain the resources of Highgarden, and by extension the Reach, under the permanent control of House Lannister. Yet he didn't take that route either. Again, from what I'm seeing, I can't see a scenario where Tywin's maneuvers make sense if Casterly Rock's gold reserves are truly defunct.
  5. I just had a thought while rewatching the scene where Highgarden is taken by the Lannisters and Olenna drinks the poison. Something she said got me thinking. She asks why Tywin didn't just invade Highgarden when the gold mines of Casterly Rock ran dry, then says offhandedly that she'd be able to ask him soon enough. That made me question why didn't Tywin invade? It seems like a move he'd make with his family on the Iron Throne and him as hand, and yet he didn't. Then it hit me; what if the mines under Casterly Rock aren't really dry? What if he stopped mining operations in such a way that it looked like the mines had gone dry, but really there was plenty of gold still there? Might sound crazy, but think about what we know. Tyrion mentioned that the crown owes Tywin a lot of money, but that the Iron Bank is owed way more. What if Tywin tried to curtail Robert's spending by limiting how much he'd loan the crown, but the Iron Bank stepped in, knowing that Tywin would do anything to keep his family in power and his grandchildren on the throne after Robert. That meant they could lend to Robert endlessly and no matter how much the king spent, Casterly Rock's fortune would always be there to pay the debt, lest the bank turn on the current regime. That put Tywin in a pickle and likely brought back bad memories of all the bad loans his father lent out. So Tywin stopped mining the rock and made it look like there was no more gold. Tywin was through co-signing for Robert, and he could plainly see that Joffrey would be no more frugal. The gold would always be there, and future Lannisters could dig it up once their royal dynasty was secure and a more disciplined king sat the throne. Taking Highgarden would have just given the Iron Bank a new target for its predatory lending at House Lannister's expence, which is why the Tyrells kept it as long as they did. So, what do you all think?
  6. aeverett

    So, how well will the Northern lords take

    While I agree that the Northern Lords will accept Dany's help with the War for the Dawn, what happens after is the real question. If they say 'Thanks. You've been great. Now please head back down south because we're not bending the knee.' will she burn them like the Tarleys? They'd be absolute fools to pass up dragons in fighting the Night King, but afterwards is where it matters.
  7. aeverett

    Do D&D hate feminity?

    In the books, you get POV, that is you can hear the thoughts of the characters in question. Television is primarily a visual medium, where actions speak loudest and garner the best audience response. Yes, some of the dialogue could be tweaked to make these characters' motivations more clear, but the medium limits the message here, especially in a show world where people rarely speak freely or honestly.
  8. aeverett

    Do D&D hate feminity?

    I don't see it so much as hating femininity, but the natural outcome of so many of the male leaders being killed off. This happened in the War of the Roses which George used as a template for a lot of the dynastic conflict. When so many men die off in a feudal society, either highborn women take a larger and larger share of the power or lower ranked men step into their deceased higher ranked peers shoes. In RL you had a combo of these two phenomenon, and the same holds for GoT. Davos, Gendry, Bronn etc were, as far as we know, low born and they've risen. Women who were highborn to begin with, but limited due to their sex, loose the restrictions and act on their own in lieu of their male relations. Brienne and Arya were unfeminine from the start, but once there were fewer barriers to their be accepted in those traditionally masculine rolls, they were able to shine. Brienne is the perfect example. Look how men treat her in Season 2, when most of the highborn men, though at war, are still around and giving orders, and look at her now. She's grown as a character, yes, but the world has also changed around her at the same time.
  9. aeverett

    Incest Abominations and the Night King

    Both part one and two are excellent theory videos, but it's Part 2, starting at 6:39 that gets into the idea that incest born children are what George RR Martin was referring to in his earlier drafts of A Song of Ice and Fire in regards to the 'Neverborn'. According to the theory, this term didn't mean that the person or being wasn't born, only that they should never have been born as their existence offends the gods due to the incest thing, and makes them prime candidates for White Walker conversion. The earlier video speaks of Craster being unique, so only his incest-born children would do, but my idea is that it might not be only Craster's sons, if originating from incest is the key issue. After all, incest is really despised in the 7 kingdoms, and the children, not the parents, get the worst punishments. There has to be a reason for that.
  10. I recently heard a theory that the Night King can only turn incest-born people into White Walkers, while any dead body can be a wight. This was why Craster's sons were so necessary to the Night King, and would put Dany at unique risk, as both she and her parents were products of incest. At first I was skeptical, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense. After all, in Westeros, and beyond the Wall, the people that get the greatest punishment for incest are the children born from it, not their parents who actually broke the taboo. Jaime even says that if he acknowledged his children with Cersei they'd all be stoned to death in the streets, yet Jaime and Cersei would only face something like what Loras Tyrell faced for his homosexual relationships. This got me thinking; what if this hatred of incest was a hold over from the last Long Night? What if the reason the children are specifically singled out for execution for something they had no control over was due to the risk they posed to the wider society if the Night King ever rose again? The purpose of the law was lost, but the practice remained. What do you all think? I'm not completely convinced, and I'd like to see what others think. Am I missing something?
  11. No, the Faith of the Seven turned their backs because the Targs had dragons and Maegor the Cruel used them when the faith tried to start a rebellion based on the faith's disdain for incest-born children. Dragons, not royal status, kept he incest going for the Targs.
  12. I get the basic concept of a mystery knight, but I don't see how one actually goes about being one. In the Dunk and Egg novella, The Hedge Knight, Dunk has to go through a difficult verification process to prove his identity as a knight and that of Ser Arlan Pennytree, the knight who taught him and, supposedly, knighted him. He also needed a new personal sigil for his shield, as he was forbidden to use Ser Arlan's, due to the fact that they weren't legitimate blood relatives. Yet, in A Storm of Swords, Meera Reed mentions the Knight of the Laughing Tree and how his or her identity was never revealed. I can't seem to reconcile these two ideas. If a mystery knight must register for a tourney, how can there even be mystery knights? Are some tourneys more open than others? Are there certain events, such as jousting, where you can compete as a mystery knight, but others that you can't? How is all this decided? Really I'm floundering here. Can someone help me out, please?
  13. They aren't minor families, but they are bannermen, vassals. They certainly aren't in the same league as the Baratheons, and all Ormund' and Rhelle's trueborn children would be highly sought after marriage partners due to their mother's Targ blood and connections. By all accounts the daughter of a Targ princess and the Lord Paramount of the Stormlands should marry into one of the major houses, if not back into the royal family itself. Steffon had the added benefits of having been heir to Storm's End, having made a name for himself as a fighter, and was considered quite handsome, like his father before him and at least two of his sons to follow. Yet, somehow, he married a bannerman's daughter, and not one of his wealthier bannerman like the Swanns or Dondarrions. The Estermonts and the Tarths were noble, but they would have not have been first choices. Unless there were love matches involved, it would not make sense. As to Brienne's mentioning any cousinhood with Renly, I think that's a matter of interpretation until or unless George says otherwise. I don't think she would for the reasons I've mentioned before. You see her perspective differently. Until the the author says otherwise, to each his own.
  14. I am not disregarding anything. George has not revealed Brienne's Targ heritage in detail, and the explanation above makes the most sense to me. I can easily see Brienne not mentioning the connection to Renly and the other Baratheon bros because it means so little to her personally. It's something she's seen on a family tree, but her feelings for Renly come from her father's ball and her time on the Rainbow Guard. It's not important to her that they shared grandparents who died before she was born, so she doesn't think about it in the POVs. I might be wrong, but this is my theory. Until George says otherwise, this is where I'm led by my own analysis.
  15. In Westeros first cousins are marriage material, not close kin the same way they are in our world. And you also have to figure that there might not have been much contact between Steffon and his sister. After all, Steffon was born the same year as Lord Selwyn, so he would have been considerably older than her, similar to the way Robert was 15 when Renly was born. If there was that big an age disparity, taking into account the twenty year gap between the War of the Nine Penny Kings and Brienne's birth, Steffon might not have had much contact with, nor affection for, her. Especially when you consider she was betrothed to and would become lady of such a minor house, while he would remain the Lord of Storm's End and Lord Paramount of the Stormlands despite his own unequal match. The sex difference would also create distance as he could never take her as his squire or give her a formal position in the Stormlands the way he might have given a younger brother. By the same token, there's no reason to think his sons would have ever met their cousin before Renly showed up at Lord Selwyn's ball as a form of courtesy to a Stormlands vassal with some blood ties recognized only on paper. From Brienne's perspective, Renly was an eligible bachelor, who also appeared in her family tree but whom she never met before the ball. She doesn't think of him as her cousin, but her first love, so she doesn't mention it in POV. The Lannisters may keep a family compound with multiple subterranean levels where many generations of cousins all live together and even retain ties when they spill over into Lannisport, but that doesn't seem indicative of all of Westeros. Tarth is a small island and relatively unimportant, unless you need an immediate launch point in the Narrow Sea, as you did during the War of the Nine Penny Kings. Once that conflict was over, Tarth and Estermont went back to being a couple of backwaters, but the marriage arrangements were already struck. Cassana Estermont then gave birth to Robert two years after the war ended, so the wedding was likely during the war or soon after. Pulling out of the Tarth deal would have made the Baratheons and Targaryens look dishonest, especially when you consider Sir Duncan the Tall's sacrifice at Summerhall barely a year before the war started and young Lord Selwyn's connection to the famous Lord Commander (assuming the connection was publicly known or even rumored). Doing so would have also fomented distrust between Storm's End and all its vassal houses at a time when there was already talk of Aerys II' instability and the possible need to replace him with Rhaegar. One minor Targaryen princess' daughter married off to a poor, but still noble, house would be a small price to pay for Stormlands stability, even a decade after the War of the Nine Penny Kings was ended. However, that wouldn't have created personal ties of affection between the families. To be blunt, Brienne and her father were the poor relations of two of the most powerful houses in Westeros. That alone might have created enough distance that Brienne doesn't seem to recognize Renly (or Robert or Stannis for that matter) as family in her POV. Renly comes to the ball as a duty to far flung relations. For Brienne it's a life-changing event. On a personal note, I have twenty seven first cousins of my own who I wouldn't know from Adam if we met on the street due to the fact that my paternal grandparents had eight children, over more than two decades, and those children went off in different directions in life. I'm an only child, but my two cousins on my mother's side are as close to me as I assume most siblings are. Even in our world, where we don't marry our first cousins because they're too close blood-wise, ties beyond the nuclear family are subjective. And if this was somehow important to the story later on, George might not have mentioned it in order to set up a big reveal down the road. He also may have just cut it out due to its irrelevance to the characters. Either way, Brienne not mentioning the connection doesn't seem odd to me. She's one of the few characters that doesn't seem terribly interested in family politics. It's one of her major blind spots as those politics have nearly killed her or gotten her raped and tortured on several occasions.
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