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On 10/21/2023 at 3:52 PM, Otatop1000 said:
Perfect example: Bael the Bard and the Blue Rose. Later the “Lord of Winterfell” slew his unbeknownst father. Be good to know if that bastard of winterfell came to an untimely or gruesome end, because of the curse of Kinslaying.
We already know this. According to Ygritte, he was skinned alive by one of his own bannermen. That sounds like a Bolton, but regardless of which house the bannerman came from, it was presented in the story as the result of the curse of kinslaying.
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On 10/26/2023 at 3:59 AM, Alden Rothack said:
Actually destruction of heirlooms absolutely can be illegal even if you legally posess them, which is what Tywin does
Had he given Ice to Tyrion or more likely Jaime to weld on his behalf that would be legal
Maybe in the real word destruction of heirlooms can be illegal, but we have no evidence that this is true for Westeros. We know they can be sold, else Tywin would not have offered to buy Valyrian Steel swords from impoverished houses, but whether they can be melted down and reconfigured isn't known.
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While traveling down the Rhoyne to Volantis, when their boat were attacked by stone men, Jon Connington contracts greyscale, yet Tyrion, who actually gets handled by a stone man, doesn't. Theories as to why?
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Robert was a skilled warrior, so he likely was more aware of his body in the rare instances that he sat on the Iron Throne. With the exception of Maegor the Cruel, the kings that tended to cut themselves were not especially known for their fighting prowess and had seen little to no combat personally. Robert had.
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On 3/16/2023 at 12:10 AM, Canon Claude said:
Tywin had a lot of nerve to not only steal Ice for himself, but also melt it down to make two swords. That sets a very dangerous precedent for any house moving forward.
Tywin didn't steal Ice. From his point of view, Ned Stark was a traitor who spread lies about the rightful king. Remember, Tywin doesn't believe the incest rumors. He genuinely believes that Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen were fathered by Robert, and that Ned was just trying to prevent a Lannister take over of power once Robert died and his half Lannister son was on the throne. Ned knew that the real power behind King Joffrey would be House Lannister and so he lied about incest and bastardy to prevent that. That makes all Ned's holdings the crowns and as Joffrey's Hand, Tywin's to dispose of on behalf of the king.
What's more, Tywin doesn't melt down the sword until Robb, Bran, and Rickon are dead (or presumed dead in Bran and Rickon's cases). That wipes out the legitimate male line of Ned Stark, and Sansa, Ned's rightful heir after her brothers, was married to a Lannister. That puts control of her property into the hands of her husband, and Tywin is the head of her husband's house. It's still her property, but not her decision what happens with it. There again Tywin would have a claim to reforging the sword.
Westerosi law sucks, but as far as Tywin knew he was acting in accord with it. Yes, he wanted a Valyrian Steel sword, but he didn't steal Ice. He acquired it lawfully. You can't steal lawfully.
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4 hours ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:
I'm going to say that all of the prophesies are bunk.
Yes, but there is intentional bunk and bunk that people genuinely believe. My theory in the OP is that there are those who are trying to spread false prophesies in order to make it harder for humanity to survive the next long night, while others genuinely believe the prophesies they are selling and that those prophesies will help end the long night if deciphered correctly. Which is which?
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On 10/21/2023 at 3:52 PM, Otatop1000 said:
Perfect example: Bael the Bard and the Blue Rose. Later the “Lord of Winterfell” slew his unbeknownst father. Be good to know if that bastard of winterfell came to an untimely or gruesome end, because of the curse of Kinslaying.
Actually Ygritte tells us in the Bael the Bard story that one of his vassals skinned him alive. I'm guessing a Bolton.
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I recently viewed a video that suggested that there were multiple players in TWoIaF who had competing interests in regards to the return of the Long Night, that is ones who sought to bring it, while others sought to prevent it or stack the deck in favor of the living. Some of these factions include the followers of R'hllor, the Children of the Forest, Euron Greyjoy, the Warlocks of Qarth, etc. Anyhow, it occurred to me that if these magic users or wanna be magic users in Euron's case have competing agendas, then throughout history there might well have been false prophesies, that is SOME of these prophesies we hear about the Prince that Was Promised and what not might be coming from sources that are trying to throw people onto the wrong track so that TPTWP never shows up or Lightbringer is never forged, etc. Personally I'm skeptical about TPTWP coming from Aerys and Rhaella's line. The woods witch that gave is rumored to be part COTF, and they clearly have an agenda that may or may not be in humanity's best interests. Then again, the Ashaii who came up with the Azor Ahai prophesy aren't exactly the most moral folks on Planetos, seeing as they accept any depravity done in the service of magical study. So, who's prophesies do you think are legit and attempting to preserve life in the face of the Long Night, and whose are seeking to obstruct humanity's survival?
Who takes over The Westerlands after the fall of the Lannisters?
in The World of Ice and Fire
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The Lannisters of Lannisport are at least several centuries removed from the main branch. I'm thinking the it would be the Lannister-Freys, that is Genna's surviving son, or her grandchildren or something. Her eldest had two sons before he died, and another dead son may have had kids. Genna's line is a contender, but they'd probably take the Lannister name the way Joffrey Lydon did when he married the daughter of the last First Men King of the Rock and made the Lannisters into mostly an Andal family.