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  1. Faera

    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    Possible. Except Ned isn't home. Either way, I still standby the rest of my post. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
  2. Faera

    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    I used to give credence to the more fringe notion that Jojen was not butchered, bled and mixed into the Paste but instead had been willingly sacrificed (perhaps even by Meera) before the Heart Tree so as to add his knowledge to the network. However I decided against that through to further readings, concluding that Jojen appears to associate his death with home. Besides, I feel that had GRRM intended to kill Jojen off, he would be more direct about it and would have likely left that as the revelation or Jojen physically being killed, at the end of Bran’s last Dance chapter. Killing Jojen off page or in between chapters would be poorly constructed given he has been Bran’s companion since the 2nd book. It shocks the reader but downplays the significance and impact such a death has on “Bran the Boy”. I would like to add that I still believe Jojen might end his own life, or entrust the duty of killing him to his sister, before a Heart Tree as a how he may eventually die — I just completely disagree on the time and location. I don’t think it will happen in Bloodraven’s cave and I wholeheartedly disagree it already happened at the end of Bran III.
  3. Faera

    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    I think you need to give them more credit than that. EDIT: Besides, the issue still remains that Hodor (or Bran-in-Hodor) would find it difficult to carry Bran on his back all the way down to the river. I also don't see the CotF being monsters - and even if they are the need for the purpose in showing this being them butchering and feeding Bran's friends to him him is overkill. Just feels like gore for gore's sake.
  4. Faera

    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    I doubt that since; The river was six hundred feet below, down steep slopes and twisty passages, [Meera] explained, and the last part required climbing down a rope. “Hodor could never make the climb with you on his back. I’m sorry, Bran.” Moreover, there is no thematic reason to kill Jojen, let alone Meera! Aside from shock value.
  5. Faera

    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    No. If nothing else it makes no sense structurally. I mean, why would Martin fail to use a big stinger ending like Jojen being dead or killed at the end of Bran III in ADWD? Jojen Paste is such an overblown creepypasta-level theory and there's no reason to presume Jojen is dead in any other manner. I pretty much summed up my own theory about Jojen and his ongoing survival in Green Dreaming of an Underground River. So, my answer to "Did Jojen Die Off-Page?" is a resounding "no".
  6. Faera

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    Somewhere else. It's not unreasonably to presume both items would be elsewhere in what parts of Essos once made up the Valyrian empire other than the Freehold. Even further out.
  7. Faera

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    I like the assessment that Aerea just wanted to go far, far away. Perhaps to the Free Cities and beyond. So, I could certainly see merit in the notion posed by @Lord Varys that she wouldn't have gone to King's Landing but instead would have sought some adventure. If Balerion sensed this then he might have taken her to Valyria because he knows where it is and hasn't been there for a while. He wanted to go, Aerea didn't care where he took her as long as it was far away. The choice for them to return to King's Landing interesting though because I wonder whether Aerea went there because she wanted to seek out her aunt and uncle rather than her mother, or Balerion himself took her somewhere he knew they would find help? Though having said that, presumably he would have seen Dragonstone as a source of help too meaning that it is more likely to have been Aerea's choice.
  8. If I could go back to any event mentioned in the books, I'd go back to the Tourney of Harrenhal and tell Rhaegar to what was going to happen in Robert's Rebellion and as a result of his cousin Bobby B becoming king and marrying the Lannisters. Hopefully he'd be a little more careful with things this time around. However, if I could only go back to current events within the books... hmmm. I guess I would tell Cat that she's wrong about the pros of Ned going South. Either that or tell Bran not to peek in that window of the broken tower, though he'd probably do it anyway.
  9. Faera

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    It is a reasonable assumption to say that Euron simply hasn't been to Valyria. Even characters in the books seem fairly sceptical. A smile played across Euron's blue lips. "I am the storm, my lord. The first storm, and the last. I have taken the Silence on longer voyages than this, and ones far more hazardous. Have you forgotten? I have sailed the Smoking Sea and seen Valyria." Every man there knew that the Doom still ruled Valyria. The very sea there boiled and smoked, and the land was overrun with demons. It was said that any sailor who so much as glimpsed the fiery mountains of Valyria rising above the waves would soon die a dreadful death, yet the Crow's Eye had been there, and returned. "Have you?" the Reader asked, so softly. I personally would like it to be true and that Euron's various dabbling in the dark arts has sort of made "at one" with the Smoking Sea and see him as this sort of dark messiah figure because he truly is one of the few men in the series who I few as genuinely irredeemably evil yet still be compelling enough of a character to want to know what he does next. However, I think it all likelihood his dragonhorn came from somewhere else.
  10. I'm getting deja vu because I'm certain I have answered this thread before but this one is too new to actually be the one I wrote on... Oh well! I do like these sorts of exercises to kill time. My answers haven't changed much, though. I believe Ned would have probably sought to keep most – if not all – of his kids in the North. I only ever really saw the girls potentially marrying in the South and even then it would probably have been to families that the Starks already have a history with, like those in the Vale and Riverlands. Ned is simply not a politically savvy nor overly ambitious man I don't see him aiming too high for his children's matches. I don't think Cat would have necessarily sought anything too massive, either, since she's very family orientated and would probably have liked to keep her children - at least her sons - as close as possible. So, we are looking at mostly Northern matches with a few traditional allies maybe on the table. Robb Stark, i.e. the most eligible bachelor in the North. As Ned married outside of the North, and his father Rickard had married his own cousin, it has been a while since any of the Northern families have had a chance to see one of their daughters as Lady of Winterfell. I would say one of the Manderly girls is a good bet, most likely Wylla Manderly since it doesn't appear she and Wynafryd have a brother which means Wynnie needs to stay in White Habour as the heir. Wylla is a match I also see Catelyn getting behind because they’re a prosperous family that follows the Faith of the Seven and the girls are likely to develop nice, plump, curvy girls with big hips – which we know is a big tick for Catelyn when it comes to wives for her male relatives! Some fringe choices could be one of the younger Mormont girls: Dacey Mormont is not an option as she is indisputably the heir to Bear Island while Alysane already has kids. It would probably be Lyra or Jory Mormont though if Robb didn't marry until a little later in life, like his mid-twenties, Lyanna Mormont is certainly an option, too. We also can’t rule out Meera Reed. The Reeds might not be rich but they are a principle house and control one of the most important strategic points of the North. It would reinforce the North as a united front since the other Northern lords seem to have “doubts” about the crannogmen’s reliability and a marriage between the families would ensure this bond between Ned and Howland survives into the next generation. Finally, Alys Karstark would have been a good pick considering his plans for the Gift. However, she's already been nabbed and I understand why Ned didn't want to "tie Robb down" when he was only six. Sansa and Arya, i.e. the "peacekeepers". Ned seems to have accepted in his mind that they will likely be going south to become ladies. While it would be lovely for Sansa to nab someone like Willas Tyrell, I'm supposed to be Ned in this little game and I'll stick to what I know. So, I see Ned looking to his traditional non-Northern allies in the Vale or among the Riverlands. These are the two closest kingdoms to the North, after all. Possible choices: Andar Royce (Heir to Runestone), Brynden Blackwood (Heir to Raventree Hall), or the Waynwood heir to Ironoaks. It's also possible Ned would have considered a match with Robert “Sweetrobin” Arryn (Heir to the Eyrie and Lordship of the Vale) or, if he dies before reaching the age of majority, Harold “Arryn” if it comes to that and he is free to marry. We also cannot rule out Robert still wanting a match between one of the girls and Joffrey Baratheon. [Gods save us all!] That said, Ned might have chosen to put the North completely on lockdown. So, at least one daughter might have been kept in the North, especially since war was probably going to breakout in the south whether Ned became the Hand of the King or not. Since Arya is the second daughter would probably be the one to stay in the North. Cley Cerwyn would have been a good choice as they are close to Winterfell or possibly Jojen Reed, again, for the same reasons to why we can’t rule out Meera for Robb. (Under normal circumstances, I think Arya would love being married into House Reed – seems like a family she could truly flourish in.) Bran and Rickon, i.e. the "spares". Ned seems to have wanted both Bran and Rickon to one day serve as Robb’s bannermen. This indicates that his long-term plans for his two spares. It is possible that he intended for them to set up their own cadet branches in the Gift, if that plan went through. For this reason, Ned would probably want Bran and Rickon’s marriages to bolster this desire to get other Northern houses behind this idea. My best guess: a Flint girl for one lad and an Umber girl for the other, the Northernmost families who have some very strong feelings about wildlings and would probably enjoy this "buffer" plan for the Gift. We should probably also touch on the Dark Horse and the Elephant in the Room: Theon Greyjoy and Jon Snow. With Theon, I suspect Ned would have found him a second or third daughter of a principle Stark bannerman to marry… ideally landlocked or on the eastern coast. There would have come a time when Theon would presumably have had to take his seat on the Iron Isles once Balon died and the need for a hostage was moot. With Jon, I do not think that Ned would have wanted him joining the Night’s Watch under normal circumstances, especially if it had got to this stage where he’s planning out his kids’ marriages. As for the wife... I wonder, if Ned might have had hopes of marrying Jon to Meera Reed. Catelyn would certainly hate it: on paper, Meera is indeed far out of Jon’s league given he is a bastard and she is, in a sense, the “backdoor key” to the gateway of the North. That said, they are probably one of the few families in the North who wouldn't necessarily care all that much that Jon was a bastard especially given Howland "knows" about Jon's super-secret-parentage. The only other family who might not care about Jon’s bastardy are the Mormont women. Either way, I do think Ned would have tried to secure Jon a decent marriage.
  11. Faera

    The Prophecy Glitch

    So, since @kissdbyfire tagged me the other week I definitely bookmarked this to come back to later once my Christmas holidays officially began from work. As always I am fashionably late so I apologise for that, @Curled Finger, m'dear friend. I tried to write a response about ten times before scrubbing the whole lot because in reality my feelings about this subject is both complex and simple. The reason I feel so many people enjoy drawing on prophecy because a part of us all want to guess at what might happen next in the story. Like we are ourselves are little-Jojens, Ghosts of High Heart or Maggy the Frogs. George R. R. Martin likes to drop hints about what he is about to reveal, almost in a predictable pattern. The subtle allusion, the stronger hint and then the outright revelation. The result is all of us nerdy fans pouring over the thousands of pages he has written to find the secret meaning behind it all, even when there isn't one or - or reflection - the hint was bloody obvious. Take Jon being Lyanna's son. He hasn't officially revealed that within the books yet the countless hints fans have uncovered mean we are all but certain it will happen. So, we have become our own little prophets. This might even work as a good analogy for GRRM's writing, too. You can enjoy being right, but there will always be a cruel twist to it. In the case of Jon, it will no doubt be painful for him to discover the true circumstances of his birth and the fate of his mother would hurt, especially if he takes the story of Lyanna's death at face value -- a child of rape who killed one of the people the man he loved and believed was his father to come into this world. Even if that is not the case, even if there is some create plan Lyanna and Rhaegar were both in on or there was a sappy love story, the rub comes if Jon never realises that. Even more likely though is if we as readers discover the truth about Jon, but he never does. That is the rub, or in this case the "bite". Same with any prediction made about "who is Azor Ahai?" - for all intents and purposes people can made a strong case for Dany as well as argue that she will come over on her dragons and be this promised princess. In actuality, people like Aemon might well be living a fools dream because the most obvious candidate is the most likely to disappoint us. The bite in Dany's tale might well be that her destructive nature will always get the best of her. There are some who believe that Dany might actually have the makings of an excellent anti-villain, the full-fire to parallel the Others full-ice, with everyone else trying to survive without full-blown destruction. I'm not sure trading all of ice for all of fire is a good thing; Dany's dragons need to be seen for what they are, as tools of destruction. That might be the bite to her tale. Heck, it might be the bite in the whole believe that Azor Ahai will "save" us all - that AA is just as much a danger to balance as the Others are. I agree completely. While I am certainly impressed by people finding and making the allusions between characters in mythology or historical parallels it goes a little over my head when it comes to using it as a compass for how the story might play out or "buck the trend" by doing the exact opposite. Additionally, I agree about a character like Brienne being more interesting to investigate and talk about than Lyanna, primarily because Lyanna is "done". Her death is a cornerstone for several characters - Ned, Robert and possibly Jon and Howland (when he finally appears) - as well as a catalyst for the events in how the established monarchy of the Targaryens were deposed. She does have a character but it can only be retold through the eyes of those who knew her in life, and how history has shaped her. Lyanna is a symbol more than a person and half the tragedy of her character, as well as that of women like her - Elia and Rhaella - is that they each died with their stories silent. Brienne is in some ways a "what if" tale for a woman in Lyanna's situation. Her story "I want to be able to carry a sword" but her father refusing her juxtaposes nicely with Brienne and her father. More so than Arya, in some ways. Ned might have allowed Arya to learn how to use a sword but he still expected her to be a lady, too. Selwyn appears to have started with that attitude but eventually seems to have given his daughter everything she could need to be the knight she wanted to be even at the cost of his own legacy. True, he's not exactly Oberyn Martell or Howland Reed, two examples of men who not only taught their daughters to fight but might have even expected it of them as part of their culture, but in the bog-standard expectations of nobility outside the Neck and Dorne what Selwyn did give his daughter as "fighting chance". There is a painful stigma that Brienne has faced but she tries her best to stay absolutely true to herself, even when she's uncertain of who that person is. So, to tie this back into "prophecy", Jaime's weirwood stump dream the burning swords have been analysed like crazy for what they could symbolise. Much of the descriptions and imagery in the dream of a bear and escaping a pit-like place appears later in the waking world when Jaime returns to save Brienne. However, "The flames will burn so long as you live [...] When they die, so must you." has been a focal point of "what do the flames mean" - as if there has to be a single answer or hidden meaning. This is sort of like a mini prophecy in itself even though it exists only in a dream.
  12. Faera

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    They don't seem to like the Children of the Forest, either, given they quite happily were killing them all too. Anyway, I suppose it's because the circumstances of the Night King's creation opened up a lot of questions. By making him a human, everyone began to wonder "who was he?" and "does he remember what was done to him?" Leaving it at the purpose simply being to kill humans is a bit... blah. People like an origin story a lot of the time. Who was the Night King before be was turned? Did he make the other Others or were there ever more like him that were made by the CotF? Do they retain their memories? Does the fact they turned on their creators mean they consciously took distain to all life, not just humans, or do they still have an underlying hatred for the CotF and the humans for the circumstances that led them to be the way they are. These are all ways that could have made the Others more engaging to me personally. I know there are plenty of people who don't mind but it's just a pet peeve of mine how bland the Others are. Not least because now they've essentially suggested that the Night King is literally the keystone and killing him will just destroy them all. Besides, they can't all be simply-minded ice zombies because they deal made the deal with Craster, indicating that they are capable of looking beyond the blanket command of "kill humans". I see that also as a deeper consciousness of thought, and the fact the show will likely just forget about it is irritating to me.
  13. Faera

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Well, one major difference is that they don't have a central "Night King" figure for Kit Harrington to have staring contests with. As neat as the character is, it really does feel as if they created him so they wouldn't have to flesh out the Others as a whole. This way it becomes about what "he" wants rather than "why are they doing this now?!" which, to me, is more compelling. Not least because D&D pretty much gave us the answer to why their dude does what he does -- because he is "death" and that's what the CotF "programmed" him to do. A part of me hopes that there is something deeper there, that the reason why he attacks them as much as the humans is because he wants justice for what was done to him. Yet I feel that might be going too deep for the show as it is now. I do have a major gripe with Cersei and that is that Lena Heady wasn't ever allowed to play her like book Cersei, which I think she would have been able to do an amazing job on.
  14. Faera

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I feel that the role of the kraken will be much greater in the books since Euron has a very good chance of playing an indirect - or even a direct - role in the coming of the Others. I'm still in love with the idea that he is something of a Proto-Bran that went wrong and not he is something of an Anti-Christ figure of the messianic role Bran is playing. It saddens me really that the final show down really does seem to be just a stand off between "Stargaryens" and crazy Cersei in the south. If she still holds power in the books by the end of Dream, I'll probably die of shock. Well, it would make more sense that the new wall - the "Antonian Wall" to the Ice Wall's Hadrian, in a way - was made out of something that actually kills the Others. It would be harder for them to break through presumably. And, y'know, don't leave a potential magical horn lying around that can take the Wall down and/or take your pet dragon into the Others' backyard. Slightly OT but I have a friend who hypothesized that the Others are actually responding to a natural disaster that's about to sweep Westeros anyway in the form of volcanic activity. We know that the grounds around Dragonstone used to be active, and possibly North of the Wall around Hardhome depending on what theory you follow.
  15. Faera

    The Prophecy Glitch

    Oooo someone saw this topic and thought of me! Thanks, @kissdbyfire, m'dear. Currently buried up to the eyeballs in RL work but I'll be taking a look and probably sticking my oar in no later than Friday (my last day before my Christmas hols starts!) Anything to do with prophecies and I'm in!
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