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  1. Hmm, now I'm wondering if Sansa has learned something, true or untrue, or suspected something is amiss about the fate of Jeyne off "screen." The only time Jeyne's name comes up in a search (which was obnoxious because Jeyne is apparently the most common name in westeros) of sos or affc is this: A Feast for Crows - Alayne II "Lothor Brune?" Myranda raised an eyebrow. "Does she know?" She did not wait for an answer. "He has no hope, poor man. My father's tried to make a match for Mya, but she'll have none of them. She is half mule, that one." Despite herself, Alayne found herself warming to the older girl. She had not had a friend to gossip with since poor Jeyne Poole. "Do you think Ser Lothor likes her as she is, in mail and leather?" she asked the older girl, who seemed so worldly-wise. "Or does he dream of her draped in silks and velvets?" Does she think of her as "poor Jeyne" just because of when they last saw each other? Given Cersei's character Sansa has no reason to think she was treated gently, anyway.
  2. Lol, yes. I think I didn't get my whole thought out, haha. I'm talking about just the times before she fled with Dontos. After that things are, well, a whirlwind. And she might be curious about Jeyne but it's a moot point. She really has no choice but to "trust" him, and it's not like shed expect to see Jeyne around the corner. But now I need to go back and check to see how many times she thinks of her after She leaves kings landing, because depending on that I see your point...
  3. I'm not sure what opportunity Sansa even had to converse with Petyr in Kings Landing or why she would think she could trust him; he worked for Cersei after all for all she knew at that point. He'd been downright creepy at the jousting match. The book mentions so many times how she used courtesy as armor. When she's out we see her make pleasantries, not ask for help or draw attention to what's been done to her. The question isn't why WOULDN'T she ask about Jeyne, the marvel would have been if she did.
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    Dissecting Names

    This is a really interesting question because now that I think about it I'm surprised by the lack of angelic imagery in a story that so strikingly resembles the European Middle Ages. I realize that the Faith of the seven is only superficially like the Catholic church, but now in surprised there isn't more angelic references. I'm assuming you are referring to the idea that angels are arranged in a hierarchy of choirs: seraphim, cherubim, and thrones. The thrones would be usually shown as Angel elders. They are about God's judgment and authority, not rulers per se. I think the phrase "Game of Thrones" is probably best understood in the usual way, though, because it fits the context best. (I am not sure, but I think the idea was developed by Thomas Aquinas drawing on Biblical sources. So some theologians would agree and promote it but others would say the Bible is a little cagey about the nature of angels.) As for the metal wheels from Ezekiel, I think they are usually considered different from angels but somehow used by them. So a vehicle or tool of sorts. Great fodder for anyone who wants too write stories about ancient aliens, but I'm not sure I see parallels to BR. I had to look it up because I couldn't remember the 9 categories of angels from Aquinas. They are: Seraphim Cherubim Thrones Dominations Virtues Powers Principalities Archangels Plain old angels It doesn't seem to track that he would single out one, and one most people would not recognize, to be central to the naming of a book, but if you have any more ideas about how medieval scholasticism may have influenced the world in ASOIAF you should start a thread; I would follow that topic with interest even though my initial reaction is that I think it influences it very little.
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    References and Homages

    I'm sure someone has already written about this: The Norse creation myth, from what I remember, says that the niflheim (world of ice) and a primordial world of fire (name escapes me) were separated by a huge chasm, and creation began when the ice and fire mingled, creating the first being. Has anyone done an analysis on this particular marriage of ice and fire and how it relates to the books? My instinct says that maybe he was inspired by the idea of ice and fire and took it to a while new place, but now I'm curious to see if any other readers who know far more about Norse mythology than me have already gone down this rabbit hole.