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3 minutes ago, Ran said:

This is true.

And a complete whataboutism. apartheid South Africa could and on occasion did similar whining of persecution by the international community.

20 minutes ago, Daeron the Daring said:

However, it's way too unthinkable for Israeli leadership, because it would mean the absolute emancipation of palestinians, responsibility taken for the citizens of Gaza, as well as the rebuilding of the place, a right to return, and a creation of a (truly) secular multiethnic democratic state without apartheid. 

Yeah I only see apartheid under a “one state” solution, or ethnic cleansing with the way Israel’s heading. 
 

13 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Well the UN does seem to singularly focus on Israel, and has almost every year, whilst ignoring other country’s offences. I get why Israel might be a bit dismissive of the UN

Yes, feigned offense at supposed hypocrisy that can be rhetorically effective as a deflection for one own or another party’s misdeeds.

Here’s the thing though—even if you and Israel were absolutely right and the UN is more apt to call out Israel’s crimes and immorality than other states, that doesn’t mean the criticism/condemnations are without  basis.

20 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

ICRC reports an Israeli attack targeted its aid convoy. Given the aid is inspected prior to entry to make sure it doesn't go to Hamas, what exactly is the justification for targeting it?

 

How do you know it wasn’t Hamas in disguise?
Checkmate atheist.

7 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

I also read/heard somewhere that Biden and Netanyahu hate each other personally, though I have no idea if that’s true.

I’d like to think so.

7 hours ago, Altherion said:

I think Israel simply does not trust the UN

The un keeps being mean to Israel just for a bit of colonialism and war crimes>:(

13 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Gaza ‘security responsibility’ to be Israel’s when conflict ends, Netanyahu says.”

He’s also said election needs to happen after the war ends. I don’t think even  during the -occupation/not occupation he’d say the war is over until he’s able rally support for himself. 

35 minutes ago, Crixus said:

Gazans should just rise up and throw Hamas out, but the fact Israelis haven't been able to throw that cunt Netanyahu out, despite living in a democratic country rather than an open-air prison, without an external party controlling fundamental shit like water, access, and more, is complicated. 

If I’m remembering correctly the coalition that kicked Netanyahu’ the last time fell apart because some left wing hardliners opposed an increase in settlements.

24 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

You seem to have tried to minimise the threat of Hamas a few times now. Weird.

No I haven’t. That’s such bizarre accusation. Is it so unreasonable to note a discrepancy?  That being the claim Hamas being so incompetent to have their rockets and weapons  misfire enough to cause the majority of Gazan deaths  but are still an existential threat to Israel?
I don’t see the logic I’m sorry.
 

36 minutes ago, Daeron the Daring said:

In a scenario when Israel intends to continue it's ongoing policy regarding palestinians, it's directly beneficial for them, because they have been cracking down on less violent and (much) more reasonable liberation movements, all the while propping up radical movements, to have the public not see a ground of cooperation to reconciliate. The dehumanization didn't start with October 7 or Hamas.

It’d be terrible if the west see Israel’s opposition within the region as peaceful and reasonable and intelligent, that makes all the savagery they’d like to get away a bit harder to excuse as just a tragic thing they forced to do.

Though even their supposedly just trying to erase Hamas the steps they’re taking  to procure such a goal seem so horrific that the consequences of it have to be minimized. Whose to say Israel killed 8000+ civilians in its bombing campaign? Whose to say when in the coming months those numbers go into the tens of thousands they’re not mostly due to Hamas misfires(though in such a case one has to wonder about the level of threat Israel is placing on the organization is a tad overblown) 

1 hour ago, Mudguard said:

Sounds like Netanyahu's current plan is that Israel will occupy Gaza indefinitely.

 

Well at least more officially occupy it. I don’t imagine there’ll be much attempt actually reconciling with the survivors and putting up the necessary public investment. 

1 hour ago, mormont said:

No. I mean, in some cases that might be the proximate cause, but mostly it’s the weird popularity of the notion that forecasting disaster proves how insightful you are, mixed with a bit of ‘expect the worst’ as a protective psychological approach. Hyper-pessimism on the board is the intellectual fashion. 

I have been guilty of that. 

1 hour ago, Larry of the Lawn said:

, if Trump had a dozen squid tentacles growing out of his butthole

If trump really just 200 pounds and had real hair.

16 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Generic candidate

Gavin it’d your time to Shine!

4 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said:

I am not the type of guy who enjoys Putin and thinks "Oh, Putin, how smart you are! How beautiful you are! You are wonderful!", Putin is a tyrant and a megalomaniac person. Do you think Trump cares about polls in those places, he doesn't know where Ukraine is, his plan is someone else work

Understood and apologies for my needlessly hostile tone.

16 minutes ago, KingAerys_II said:

The Republics are the zones where ethnic Russian Ukrainians l

There’s no polling or data to indicate a hard majority wants to be annexed by Russia. unless you’re playing devils advocate and trying to explain someone else’s reasoning You’re invoking blood and soil rhetoric.

Just now, Fez said:

You want to compare young people to old people (the single most reliable voting block)? Really?!

No. Try again.

43 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

California as well, right?

I’m fairly confident Biden isn’t going to lose California no matter what he does.

4 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

They want to be deported for being Muslim?  Really?

No. They’re just turned off by the guy they recognize as assisting in a genocide.

If Biden came out said ban abortion in Canada it’d still lose him support internally even though Trump would ban abortion in America.

2 minutes ago, Fez said:

Meanwhile, Arab Americans'

Aren’t the only group I mentioned. Try again.

4 minutes ago, Gorn said:

That pro-Israel lobby donates a lot of money in every election, and that Biden campaign probably considers them a more valuable ally to have than young people who may or may not show up on the election day.

Yeah I don’t buy that excuse.

2 minutes ago, Gorn said:

At this stage of the election, donations to campaigns are far, far, far more important than votes.

Okay? What are you insinuating?

4 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

New York State.  California.  Massachusetts.  New Jersey.  

Literally every single Jewish person can turn out to vote out for trump in response to Biden actually getting tough on Israel  and he’d win them all

They’re solidly blue and the loss would be eclipsed by the Arab Americans and young people who’d appreciate the change

1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Jewish voters in the Northeast are not a small constituency.  You know that… right?

I don’t actually know that. In what states in critical north east states do they make up a significant enough voting block to make up for the losses of the young people and Arab Americans who don’t like Biden’s supportive response to Israel?

Just now, Larry of the Lawn said:

Hah!  That's a good one! 

Who? 

1 minute ago, Bael's Bastard said:

One PIJ rocket killed about 5% of the people they are claiming have been killed.

When was that?

2 minutes ago, Bael's Bastard said:

Who knows how many the hundreds of other rockets that have fallen in Gaza have killed. Who knows how many Hamas and PIJ have killed up close and personally. Who knows how many were Hamas, PIJ, or other terrorists.

I’m going to guess a lot less than the Israeli bombing campaign.

3 minutes ago, Bael's Bastard said:

Maybe at some point investigation will be able to distinguish more, but in the middle of war with Hamas the only source, the numbers being claimed are more propaganda than reliable.

The ministry of health hasn’t a particularly bad track record in recording deaths/killings.

Its possible they’re underestimating the amount of casualties because a lot of people’s deaths/killings wouldn’t get reported.