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  1. "Orders for atomic bombs to be used on four Japanese cities were issued on July 25. On August 6, one of the modified B-29s dropped a uranium gun-type ("Little Boy") bomb on Hiroshima. Three days later, on August 9, a plutonium implosion ("Fat Man") bomb was dropped by another B-29 on Nagasaki. The bombs immediately devastated their targets. Over the next two to four months, the acute effects of the atomic bombings killed 90,000–146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000–80,000 people in Nagasaki; roughly half of the deaths in each city occurred on the first day. Large numbers of people continued to die from the effects of burns, radiation sickness, and other injuries, compounded by illness and malnutrition, for many months afterward. In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizable military garrison." (quoted from Wikipedia) That wasn't Daenerys. That wasn't Hitler. That was Truman. And there are people who justify to this day killing civilians to save the lives of American soldiers. We don't need to look back to the middle ages.
  2. *Thumbs up* for the horn sign... and this is *so* much better (and even suddenly emotionally disturbing, whence before they couldn't really make me care) Another song that could work (albeit not as cool as good old AC/DC) "Hiroshima" by Wishful Thinking - and it wasn't Hitler who dropped *that* bomb, just btw.
  3. Thank you, Ser Hedge! It just clicked in my head and cleared at least a bit of the confusion I still feel - They indeed just LACK the basic writing tools to differentiate between brutality and madness - Brutal, ruthless has always been part of Dany, *madness* would have had to be shown differently. And I just cannot believe how terrible lacking in everything the writing has turned out to be after being mediocre with some good and some bad moments over the past few seasons. They wanted to show her going mad and all they had in their little arsenal that they could associate with madness was brutality - and that's something most other characters have also shown over the years. In retrospect it already puts some of the scenes in the books in a different light, especially that last one in ADWD, when she "talks to ghosts". There's hope. Still, tWOW will be a book I'll borrow from a friend or library first - I've become distrusting.
  4. For me, I just feel betrayed, like they broke a promise. There's always a bit of an unspoken promise every time you start to read or watch or listen to a story. The first book had a lot of grey characters, and the only one who was a (stereo)typical (fantasy) hero, honest, good and trustworthy, got his head chopped off in the end. *That* was something new, something unexpected, and all of a sudden I had to choose a different (main) pov-character to follow (in multi-pov stories I usually concentrate on one and emphasize with one protagonist, with very few exceptions - don't know if that's just me)... There was this unspoken promise of: "this is something entirely different, and lots of grey characters" (and I really, really love grey characters and have for many years found the stereotypical fantasy cliches of good is good and evil is evil very annoying). I found that really no pov character managed to fascinate me, but the "NPC"s did - mainly the Hound and Jorah. Also, because the POV narration is deliciously biased and I liked trying to find out how a scene might have played out from a more neutral perspective. As for Daenerys, she was childish, immature, then testing out her powers (both as a queen and as a grown woman with more experience in life) in Mereen and making lots of mistakes on the way a wiser, older ruler might have or probably even would have avoided. However, Planetos is a brutal world, and, for instance, her decision to kill everyone of the noble families who might have been responsible for abusing children as signposts seemed more like the decision of someone with a strong sense of justice, but not much common sense nor homicide detective policing qualities. She's legislative, judicative and executive in one person at that moment, and it's a fantasy world. And compared to Frey-Pie... much less appalling. On the other hand, I very strongly oppose pre-judging a person for the family they're born into. Holding children responsible for their parents' mistakes is just wrong. The Mad King, Viserys... statistically, I was hoping to see one Targaryen who wasn't entirely mad. Because "all Targs are just crazy" just isn't what I believe in. What I was hoping for was a grey character developing even stronger moral ambiguity. I like those moral dilemmas, as in "is it okay to push one man in front of a car to save a whole family, including two children?" I had a feeling it was Drogon's job to melt the iron throne (although that thing isn't cursed and it doesn't change a bit who sits on which symbolic oversized chair), as it seemed to have a symbolic function being responsible for all the sh*t begetting people, and some things are just too much meant to be (created by Dragonfire, destroyed by Dragonfire is just very typical fantasy). However, what I had in mind were numerous different ways this could have played out, some with Daeny on the throne both as a good queen with some negative traits and as a difficult queen with some redeeming qualities, some with her getting defeated or getting killed (Nissa Nissa?), and all leaving me wondering "was it really worth it? How many bad deeds can be outweighed by one ultimately good decision?" Now the only thing I'm wondering about is why I wasted so much time only to see Evil is always Evil *again*. With the right build-up (I remember vaguely, it's been some time since I read the books, there was this thing about the bells with the Dothraki, and mayyyyyybe...) the structure might have worked, but the way they did it... and the chainsaw-massacre of character-depth and -arcs in every one else... it doesn't exactly leave me questioning myself. It leaves me promising myself to not just enjoy good writing when I see it (and there are some shows and books that have it), but to cherish and worship it - and run away screaming turn off the telly whenever I get a whiff of chronically bad writing in the future (and I was soo close to stop watching the show after S4!) Plus, it is a bit anticlimactic to have a mainly inactive/passive protagonist character get "the big reward" in the end - it's like reading a Sherlock Holmes story and in the end it's the landlady who walks in to unmask the killer. There are rules of writing you can challenge and play around with, and some you just don't touch. Never make a promise to the reader/viewer and then go break it, never give the big reward to someone who's just not paid a high enough price for it.
  5. He got caught in limbo trying out the new Westeros transportation system and after being stuck in there just was lucky to just conveniently materialize out of thin air at Kings Landing after only a couple years later?
  6. Remind me to give the inevitable spin-off a wide berth.
  7. Hm, I must have been somewhat tired (it was 5:00h in the morning local time) and definitely blinded by too many illogical things happening, so I guess that one was a purely emotional reaction being happy for Brienne... (there's an idiom in German saying you can't see the forest because of all the trees in front of you). Giving this another thought I could imagine Sansa telling Brienne to go watch over Bran - after all, even if she didn't elect him king, she still seemed to care about him, and she's in the north with a good, trustworthy Stark household guard whereas Bran is a stranger in the south and we all know what happens to Starks who go south... it could make sense, just saying... and I'm well past expecting those two who shall not be named to give a f---, eh, thought about things like that and address it in writing.
  8. Perhaps there's a new one of them spawning for every enemy they kill? Like chess, or... wait... ZOMBIES!
  9. I *would* say SW is dead and at least even D&D can't do any more damage there, but... I have a baaad feeling about this. I might be wrong.
  10. So. This was the last point on the list of bad writing they hadn't ticked off yet... 70 frickin' minutes of exposition sold as "dialogue", my a***! *THAT* was painful. That off my chest, edited to add: I liked Drogon melting down the throne - for I was right about that, just the circumstances were different. On the other hand, I always thought this was easy to predict. The rest of Daeny's "closure" - just disappointing, laughable even. She sounded part Hitler, part ISIS, stir well and add other stereotype evil dictator to taste... God, I thought Fantasy was past "evil orcs" and "chicks in chainmail". *sigh* One thing I liked was Brienne as King's Guard, and the small council meeting was a moment of respite from cringing. Bottom line, there's no need to get S8 on DVD, my personal version concludes with the Night King breaking the Wall - and perhaps, in a couple months, when the pain finally subsides, I'll think of an ending I would have liked, with characters getting somewhat more satisfying endings to their arcs.
  11. Hedgehog1977

    Rant & Rave without Repercussion: Burn It All Edition

    It's one thing to be disappointed by bad writing - this one has left me in shock. Think of it, what is the message? That it is right to be prejudiced about someone based on where they come from? (And apparently the gods don't even flip a coin anymore when a Targaryen is born - they just all go mad!) Everyone who wanted to kill Dany just for being a Targaryen was right in the end??? It is right to judge children for the crimes their fathers committed ere they repeat them? This is a very wrong message and not something I would have expected as the bottom line of a fantasy epos. This is indeed something I did not see coming. I can only hope this was not thought through, just done for cheap effect and hyperbolic sensationalism, not something someone coming from the culture of fantasy and roleplaying wants me to believe is the bottom line. It is dramaturgically right to keep the option open, to make madness a threat and a challenge for Dany to face, but it should never have been the simplified outcome. A *very* good writer can perhaps even create an ending where she loses it, but it is made clear it's not just being Targaryen that makes her go down this road. This... I just wish I'd never consumed this.