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  1. The obvious explanation is that Tywin did have magical powers to cause storms, but he spent them all killing Steffon. The only alternative is that the Mad King really was as mad as everyone says he was, and the first rule of ASoIaF theory-crafting is to believe the opposite.
  2. The northmen have told tales of wildlings consorting with Others for a long time, and we know the religion of the Old Gods used to involve human sacrifice. I doubt Craster made it up himself. Read that link I provided, they don't really have a "deal". It's one of those "pray I don't alter it any further" situations where the Others can change the "terms" whenever they please. There's no evidence for that. No, Arya stays with Gendry until the Brotherhood try to bring her further from her family. Jaquen is completely out of the picture by that point, and she never sees him again. The First Men have been ruled by followers of the Seven for centuries, they don't disregard those people's marriages as not legally binding. We can assume the first half of that sentence is true based on his profession, there is no evidence for the latter. Nobody has ever referred to him that way. Those are the worst scum in the Black Cells, who fear Jaqen because he's a scary murderer. Rhaegar was a Prince who performed well in tourneys and was respected by his fellow noblemen. We don't hear about him scaring lowborn criminals. I don't think she was with Robert when she left. Payment goes to the House of Black & White, not their individual agents (who aren't supposed to have individual identities). When was it said they have a rule against that? WHY!? What person that saw that face needed to see it? How would she recognize a 13 year old as being an infant swapped for hers? Prior to the Andal invasion, there are some stories of kings having multiple wives. Similarly, in the Old Testament there is polygamy & lots of concubines, but since the Roman conquest Jews have been monagamous. No Targaryen has been polygamous since Maegor, regarded as one of the worst kings in history. Aegon I was already double-married before he came to Westeros and converted to the Faith, so his existing marriages could be "grandfathered" in. Maegor never had any children that the Faithful would have to recognize as legitimate. This is in contrast to incest, which they continued to practice and the Faith explicitly made an exception for (after Maegor). No, GRRM really likes adding details about food. House Targaryen's sigil isn't white. I hadn't heard that prior to you. I had heard that the Faceless Men as a whole might have one, but not the Alchemist specifically. Dany wasn't trying to prove her legitimacy, which wasn't in doubt in the first place. She was making a human sacrifice out of someone she regards as having horribly betrayed her, and she seems to have intuited that there was magic in this sacrifice. Where was that said? I don't recall that being a rule among the FM either. Maybe that item is necessary for the assassination he's supposed to be carrying out!
  3. Although it's actually quite similar to a theory of how the GC hoped to exploit Viserys invading with the Dothraki. I think a Doylist explanation works better for that.
  4. That's what tomorrow is for. No, the text is what was actually published and all of us can read. We can all agree on what is in the text. The subtext is in your head.
  5. He offers sacrifices to his gods, and you don't negotiate with your gods. And their arrangement wasn't stable. Aegon VI wasn't in book 1, nor was there any mention of a "prince that was promised" then. Correct, for once. Being affected by a character who died in the backstory does not make that person the main character. It makes them... party of the backstory. Yeah, Dany is actually a character in the present-day of the books. Like the Starks, and unlike Rhaegar. There's no evidence for that. She only entered the series in the second book. She doesn't say anything about Arya being tied to Summerhall or "three heads of the dragon". Instead she associates her with death & grief (fitting, since she's about to join a death cult), and says she had enough of that at Summerhall. Tyrion has been central going all the way back to the pitch letter. The one scene that was necessary to inform us. Have you heard the expression "It's always in the last place you look" and the explanation for it that once you find something, you stop looking for it? That mystery is wrapped up, and there's no need to reiterate it. There were still practical limits. D&D basically exhausted themselves and exceeded their allotted time on some of the more spectacle-heavy episodes (which is why the number of episodes per season went down). They had a limited number of seasons they were willing to make. GRRM thought it could go for multiple additional season. The pitch letter indicated that the final novel would be dedicated to the conflict with the Others, instead they condensed it into a battle that took place in a single episode. It should be noted that the Orcs aren't actually defeated in a "final battle" in LotR. The battle is just a distraction for Frodo to destroy the One Ring. And the Others aren't mindless, but GRRM has indicated they are an enemy of everything alive. We don't meet anybody in the black cells in the first book, and Aegon VI has been with Jon Connington during the time the books take place. If you think he's Jaquen, how can he be in Oldtown as the Alchemist while Aegon is in Essos? Euron wasn't in the first book either. GRRM has actually explained this: originally there was going to be a five-year gap after Storm of Swords. Then he decided that rather than just skipping over everything, he would have an extended prologue explaining what had happened. The new ("minor") POV characters spun out of that prologue. The central characters are still the ones from the pitch letter. You stated, you didn't really explain. I've seen no reference to the latter in the pitch letter. It seems he came up with that later. It's all 100% in your head. You can't evaluate the accuracy of your own claims about the future. "A book GRRM would need to write to complete the story" != "a book GRRM will actually finish writing". People die every winter. He's talking about the potential end of the world, a la the Long Night. What could be more important than the greatest danger!? Whether it happend or not, at some point he would have been a child and worn child's clothes. You say that as if Aegon can't be added very late in the story. GRRM isn't bound by your rules of how important he must be. What does it have to do with anything? The Targaryens didn't have any dragon eggs at the time Aegon was born. And Jaquen doesn't have one. He's a faceless man, that's just the hair of some dead person whose identity has been taken. We know they were influenced by "prophecy" or "dragon dreams", but were those about the Others specifically? Most of them paid little attention to the Wall. Aegon I tried and failed to conquer Dorne as part of his conquest of Westeros, did that have anything to do with the Others? Other dead prologue/epilogue characters have gotten backstories. Who says the citadel even has one? There is no such evidence. The simplest way to do that is by killing him, not sending him to the Faceless Men. Vinegar is sour because it's acidic. Bases are the opposites of acids, and they taste bitter. A book is something you might find in the citadel, NOT a dragon egg. And Pate isn't looking for a book to open up a "gold dragon" coin. GRRM has said the taboo doesn't really apply to more distant relations. And I don't think Varys cares about such taboos. I don't agree it's a metaphor at all. As a Faceless Man, the one thing we can guess is that this is not his original face. It's some dead person's face being used by someone else. He is "supposed to" look that way for a job. Maggie used the phrase "younger and more beautiful" after saying that Cersei would be "queen". She was not using a Valyrian word like valonquar then. Tyrion thinks "This beardless boy could have any maiden in the Seven Kingdoms, blue hair or no. Those eyes of his would melt them". No, he doesn't. How is the chest a "form of legitimacy"? The solution that comes first to mind is killing him, not sending him to join a cult of assassins. We don't actually know he ever returned there rather than going directly from Harrenhal to Oldtown. He asks Arya to join his cult, but since he's supposed to be "no one" there's not really a requirement that he personally be there. And what rules has he broken? I don't recall there being a rule against that. Dragon eggs are rare and Euron isn't Tom Bombadil and we don't actually know Euron used an egg to pay the Faceless Men. How would she know? Lots of Lysenis look Valyrian. Even if hears about the existence of Aegon VI, how would he know that's him? Arya hasn't really lost hers. It's your theory and it makes no sense. We don't know any of that. We've just heard he was a slave as a child, sold to a troupe of mummers. We haven't heard about him having siblings at all. The question is only raised because of your wacky theory, and who is going to be making any accusation? Were both YG & Jaquen ever living in the manse at the same time? By nobody relying on the text rather than bong rips. Why would we have any doubt? What possible reason would he have to tell that lie at that point? This is all in your head, not in the text. No more or less than Aegon is. What is the basis for claiming that? He's a Faceless Man. I don't think you can be completely confident of that.
  6. Correct. And note that Spanish & Portugese are both descendants of latin hailing from the Iberian peninsula. They diverged from each other over time. Wouldn't we expect the same thing to happen in Westeros? Inhabitants of the New World were decimated by disease, which is why there are so few indigenous people now in North America (which had less in the way of dense agricultural civilizations and had an environment more hospitable to Europeans). Westeros contains at least one region, the North, which was never conquered at all. As was pointed out by one of the links here, even that region is too large to be politically & linguistically unified. Consider the sub-continent of India. It is now politically unified (because this is an era where communication technologies support polities which are much more spread out), but it has an enormous profusion of languages. In the southern four states, most people speak an entire different FAMILY of languages (Dravidian), whereas above most people speak Indo-European languages which branched off from the Aryan invaders thousands of years ago.
  7. How many chapters has the "main plot" gotten? Were Catelyn & Eddard there for "naivete and growth"? Because the Lannisters are older & less naive than the Stark kids, would you say they are the "main plot"? How about them vs Dany? How many times is "time and time again"? NO. The show's version of Blackwater was smaller than the version in the books (GRRM had to repeatedly revise his script for that episode to scale it down), due to practical/budget constraints of filming. Mance's attack on the Wall was condensed to fit that episode. GRRM began by writing a series which wouldn't have the limits of television, not being "big enough" TV hasn't been the issue. Rather, even HBO budgets aren't big enough for his imagination. Neither Aegon VI nor Euron even appeared in the first three books. Even an "architect" rather than a "gardener" wouldn't have the confidence to keep their "main characters" off-stage until the fourth/fifth book. That does take up a very large portion of the text so far. I'm glad you at least included Arya there. What makes her different from the other Starks? That she's gotten more chapters? She's actually #3 across all characters, with Tyrion at #1 & Jon Snow at #2. The Others don't have a "load bearing boss" in the books right now. There is no obvious way to defeat them all in one fell swoop. Inventing one made it easier to wrap up the show, which D&D insisted on doing earlier than GRRM wanted. I believe GRRM himself has said that the political struggle is just a distraction from the more important threat from the Others. And in his original pitch letter, the third/final book was going to be about the conflict with them. I don't think there's quite enough evidence for that.
  8. There are some times when a POV character is just a POV, like Areo Hotah. Davos was invented because GRRM didn't want to have a king POV. But the Starks are different. They are a majority of our original POVs, and they drove the central plot. Daenerys is still way off in Essos far from most of the story. Over time the Lannisters have gotten more focus because if anything GRRM has gotten more bogged down with the political angle vs the magical. The show never contained those things at all.
  9. It's bigger than Papua New Guinea or Australia. Do you know how linguistically diverse they are? Westeros even as an enormous Wall at its northern border, but the wildlings nonsensically speak the same language all these years later. 10 thousand years would normally mean MORE linguistic diversity. The real South America is less linguistically now compared to the past is because the Spanish & Brazilians colonized it mere centuries ago.
  10. So he told Lyanna, who he'd just met, because there's no way that would affect anything, but he wouldn't tell his own children?
  11. The popular theory is that Darkstar was invented because without the 5 year gap Edric was too young to wield Dawn.
  12. Bran is acting lord of Winterfell, which is a pretty important place for when the Long Night comes. The Wall & the North will be the initial zone of defense against the Others, it would seem important for whoever's in charge to know about what's going to happen. You're right, Ned would definitely run off to get knocked up by Rhaegar! Where is there evidence that those separate songs exist?
  13. You're forgetting the third head of the dragon: Dany's mother also died giving birth to her. How familiar are you with medieval maternal mortality? I included a couple links on that, including one directly comparing it to Westeros. GRRM has been very inconsistent on this. He's said that marrying off (or consumating) young girls is uncommon for that reason, but has numerous examples of it happening. Sansa is admittedly an unusual example because the Lannister are trying to beat the Tyrells to the punch and get her claim to Winterfell. In one of the links above, someone does an explicit calculation of how dangerous it would be to repeat it the average number of times a medieval woman would give birth. It should still be atypical. GRRM has stated that due to maesters it's LESS common, but he doesn't seem to know what the actual rate in the medieval era was. Greg Clark in "A Farewell to Alms" noted that it was relatively prosperous farmers who were able to reproduce themselves in medieval England. Poor people couldn't afford to marry & support children, while the nobles kept killing each other off. I don't think it was all in civil wars though.
  14. This is my guess. Similar to the lack of degrees of nobility and how holdings are geographically concentrated rather than spread out as a result of complex marriage ties (as in the real world). It's just simpler for him that way, and if he needs to invest some more distant relations he can do so. The maesters predate the Andal invasion and arrival of the Faith, and the Targaryens don't seem to "vary" any more than the typical house. The maesters aren't the Faith, and don't seem to have much invested in it. I think the unusual thing about the Freys is that they all live together in the Twins rather than forming cadet branches. My understanding is that it only got really dangerous once doctors started pushing midwives aside and spreading puerpral fever. Maternal mortality appears to be FAR higher in ASoIaF than our own medieval eraIsn't that also related to infrequency? Stannis isn't outright refusing to have children, but he's not really enthusiastic about his duties as a husband either. One child may be enough for him to conclude that he's done his part.
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