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  1. Robert was aware of one pregnancy he'd caused at that point. Rhaegar had two children and his wife's frail health was blamed for the fact that he didn't have more. I actually don't think Robert puts that much thought into the result of his sexual activity, which is part of why Cersei is able to fool him. He's rather focused on the present and neglectful of his legacy.
  2. I don't think Robert believes the gods have somehow signed onto any of this. They're just both dead, while Robert is alive and stuck with a life he didn't actually want. If Rhaegar is just a rapist who didn't actually love Lyanna, her death may be enough of a possession by evil Targaryen standards. I don't think Robert has any clue about Lyanna eloping, as he assumes Lyanna wouldn't tell him not to participate in a melee like Cersei does. Ned was fine with telling Brandon about slaying Arthur Dayne, although he gives credit to Howland Reed for saving his life (it's unclear who is supposed to have struck the killing blow). But his kids haven't even heard of Ashara. Arthur's a well known public figure who died fighting alongside other Kingsguard, I don't think Ned sees any problem with acknowledging that. He presumably doesn't want to tar Ashara's name in death with something he's taken sole responsibility for, although he's willing to give Robert the name "Wylla" as it's not like that's going to be connected to some specific smallfolk (and being a man of his time, Ned would likely place less value on the honor of such than his fellow nobles).
  3. Jon Arryn wasn't fighting to put Stannis on the throne, and at any rate Stannis wasn't burning anyone at the time. I don't think he ever does it until after Jon Arryn & Robert are dead (and he doesn't do it as a substitute for someone's trial by combat, nor does he attempt it at the scale Aerys did during the sack of King's Landing). And Aerys killed EVERYONE at Duskendale except for Dontos Hollard. Killing one or two political figures to prevent a war is what Robert was attempting with that assassin, and what you think Jon Arryn should have done with his wards. The Starks & Baratheons were only plotting to overthrow Aerys in his head. Viserys Targaryen really was angling to invade Westeros with Drogo's khalasar, which is why Daenerys was married to Drogo. Viserys could have lived, if not a life to his liking, if he'd just stayed in Braavos. Ned & Robert's actions had nothing to do with the death sentence Aerys passed on them. A ruler who kills people regardless of their actions does not encourage loyalty & peace.
  4. The Mad King had already executed Ned's father & older brother (the latter of whom was way too hotheaded carry out any secretive plot). And Robert didn't have any older family members to do any plotting. Nor had he been doing anything when Rhaegar abducted his fiance. Aerys created enemies, just as he imagined that his former mistress & her family were behind the death of one of his infant children. There was no end to the enemies he imagined, and as Jon Arryn had a sacred duty to shelter those who were not only his guests but also his foster children, he refused. And Jon Arryn wound up being a more capable hand than the lickspittles Aerys chose to replace the Hand he'd alienated for being too competent.
  5. Starting a war with most of the Lords Paramount to the point that your own regime is destroyed isn't very peaceful.
  6. He wanted to (not a very responsible notion), but was too afraid of how Joffrey would manage things on his death. If he had a Littlefinger or Viserys II working no his behalf, Joffrey might have been discreetly killed so Tommen could be heir instead. It would still be irresponsible to resign and let Cersei fight with Jon Arryn (or Ned Stark) over Tommen's regency, but would likely be acceptable to Robert (although someone like Arryn might still be able to badger him into staying on a while for Tommen to age up). Regarding whether anything could have been done about Joffrey, I'm somewhat skeptical. Jon Arryn tried to foster his son and his wife killed him for it. Cersei would be unlikely to tolerate Robert interfering with her raising of Joffrey, and she has both the clout of the Lannister family (from which the crown has borrowed lots of money) and the allegiance of people close enough to Robert to kill him.
  7. The realm under Robert was said to be peaceful enough that a girl could walk down the King's Road naked without being bothered. That's hyperbolic, but it's an exaggeration of a genuine sense of peace. Things go downhill when Robert dies and a civil war erupts.
  8. FictionIsntReal

    The hound saved Jeyne Poole

    Within the first book I think there's supposed to be more of an irony that someone like the Hound kills innocent Mycah, then wins the jousting tourney (because Loras Tyrell concedes in gratitude), then participates in the coup against Ned Stark (personally killing Cayn) and gets rewarded by replacing Barristan Selmy (one of the greatest knights in Westerosi history) in the kingsguard. Anguy isn't mentioned again beyond refusing the offer to join Ned's (doomed) guard, although admittedly Ned gets Thoros to join Beric in the force sent after the Mountain. Sansa has an idealized vision of knighthood in which beautiful & good (with the two traits closely intertwined) as the proper heroes of the stories. Sandor is ugly in appearance, speech and action but is named to the most exclusive order of knighthood (despite not even being a knight) because he serves the Lannisters, and they won despite being the baddies behind the force she wanted Loras Tyrell to defeat in the Riverlands.
  9. FictionIsntReal

    The hound saved Jeyne Poole

    Were there any people around Jeyne's age in the Stark household who were killed?
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    Why do we not hear of Targyen parents marrying their offspring?

    George R. R. Martin may be many things, but he is not a fabulist!
  11. One thing to keep in mind is that Tywin sacked King's Landing after coming in on a banner of peace (rather than requesting the surrender of the city and then giving no quarter on refusal). He's understandably going to be somewhat unpopular there. He made a bold decision to cement his allegiance to the new regime (to which he had previously not been any sort of ally) and wound up with his daughter as queen for it, but I think he knew there would be tradeoffs and was willing to accept them.
  12. The thing I found odd about Joffrey's quote is that he's officially a Baratheon, and he tends to disparage the Lannister side of his family. We know he's 100% Lannister on both sides, but the characters there shouldn't. I know there's some speculation that Joffrey is only into sadism rather than sex. In that case he might not be willing to follow through on that threat.
  13. GRRM himself only came up with this twist recently, so I don't any random person to be able to guess it in advance. He's said there are approximately 25 characters dead on the show but alive in the books and the twist involves one of them. So iterate over all 25 of them and I'll assign 1/25 probability to a twist heavily involving them. Your theory doesn't count, because it's about Meera rather than Jojen and the show would not be prevented from doing it. I agree that the degree to which a twist is organic depends upon (among other things) timing. Many people expect Jaime to turn on Cersei as per her "valonqar" prophecy. This works best after Jaime goes through an arc of reconsidering his relationship with Cersei, and would not work in the first book. How would revealing that Meera is Jon's twin be "organic" in TWOW? Likewise, I'm not here to argue that the books won't go with R+L=J. Once you start distrusting what GRRM says, why believe any of that at all? Why would he be talking about this twist if he were so paranoid about people figuring it out based on such meager clues? D&D have gotten very loose with the source material. They are mostly just trying to reach the same destination, hitting the major plot points. Thematic foreshadowing has gotten a distinctly lower priority (many fans of the books were irritated that R+L=J clues were missing from the earlier seasons). I trust GRRM's public statements far more than your ability to guess what he's REALLY thinking, so claiming "foreshadowing" for something he claims he only thought up recently just indicates to me that you're seeing patterns that aren't really there. Talisa is a character invented for the show, and her fate is very different from the one her book analogue had. She's revealed to be pregnant so that she can later be stabbed in her lower torso, where such an infant would be developing. They refer to the idea of having twins as being "greedy", but any such child inside her is doomed. Doomed specifically at the Twins of House Frey. I try to pick on the weakest & most obviously wrong claims. In contrast, I try not to waste time arguing in the face of overwhelming evidence. I wasn't planning on being so explicit, figuring you could pick up on the analogy. I started using it at a Game of Thrones forum. People can get really worked up over some of these things, and I just like to remind everyone that it's all made up.
  14. The "couple" of characters don't have to be together as of the currently published novels. And you haven't explained why Jojen's death would prevent the books from going this route. In reality, siblings can have different eye colors. This series treats genetics unrealistically, but it's not like GRRM is bound to adhere to what he introduced for Joffrey elsewhere. Sudden reveals are not smooth/organic/natural, even if there's symbolic foreshadowing that one reader detects. Brienne is also those things you mention, but she's not Jon Snow's twin. I should put my cards on the table and say that I dislike R+L=J because I prefer Jon genuinely being a bastard & as lowborn as possible. So many POV characters are highborn, with Davos one of the few exceptions. Characters are important because of what they do, not who their parents are, and revealing that Jon is secretly the heir to the throne would be a bit like revealing that Tyrion was merely under a glamor that made him appear to be a dwarf. As I already said, GRRM said that the didn't up with the twist until recently, so it couldn't have been referenced then. Unless D&D are somehow incepting ideas into his brain that they can never use in their own series. I don't think you have to worry about spoiling anything because people are going to read the book GRRM actually writes and not the completely different one in your head. As The Wondering Wolf already pointed out, he's clearly referring to a mistake he already corrected without any of your complications that are supposed to be resulting in years between books (which GRRM explains by accurately noting how complex they've gotten). It's a common symptom of schizophrenia, which some fans put a lot of effort into mimicking.
  15. FictionIsntReal

    Audio book of ASoIaF (Not Roy Dotrice)

    As far as I know the only other audiobook is the original one done for A Feast for Crows, read by John Lee.
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