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  1. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    He didn't outrank Jon... Slynt was newly arrived outsider, with no actual position. Slynt and Thorne arrived during the Wildling attack, and took it upon themselves to be "in charge", even though it had been Jon that had been commanding the Watchmen atop the Wall. Slynt and Thorne then tried to kill Jon, for purely personal reasons. When Aemon stopped them, they forced Jon to engage in a suicide mission, hoping to see him dead, for purely personal reasons.
  2. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    Jon tried, twice, to use the human resource that was Janos Slynt. Janos refused, twice. What was he good for if he wasn't going to follow orders? I assume you mean Slynt here, not Marsh. What command? Slynt had no command, Jon was offering him a command, trying to bury the hatchet, treat Slynt impersonally, trying to make use of him. Slynt refused. Twice. Also, what could possibly make you think that Slynt would accept serving under one of "Jon's men" when he wouldn't accept his own command? If you did mean Marsh... What would whipping Marsh do to deal with the Slynt situation. Jon approached Slynt impersonally, tried to ignore the personal, tried to make peace with him, and have him on-board as a useful member of the Watch. But, Slynt showed he had no intention of treating Jon impersonally, he made that evident when he first arrived at the Wall, and continued right up til he was made a head shorter. He showed he would never be more than a useless mouth to feed at best, and a dangerous conspirator at worst. Slynt made it personal, not Jon.
  3. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    Refusing to follow a direct order, twice, and gross insubordination, in the medieval penal battalion during a war for the very survival of humanity, is not a "minor" offense. It's a pretty major one.
  4. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    So, one of Jon's duties then? And he performed his duties, and delivered his brand of Justice.
  5. That was Lysa, not Catelyn. Lysa allowed herself to be manipulated by Tyrion into allowing him to demand a trial and then trial by combat, infront of the court. Then Tyrion won, and Lysa had no choice but to free him. Catelyn was against the whole thing. Also, it didn't seal Ned's fate... He was going to be sent to the Wall before Joffrey decided to make him a head shorter. Joffrey sealed Ned's fate.
  6. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was personal and it was not justice.

    He was executed for refusing an order, twice, and gross insubordination. He was given a second chance. Jon offered him a truce and a command on the Wall. He told Jon to shove it up his bastard arse. The execution was justified, though it might not have been justice. I don't know why anyone would look for justice in the medieval penal battalion in the first place.
  7. Stannis was 13 years old or so when Renly was born. So, I'd imagine, their mother Cassana Estermont giving birth to a fully formed 14 year old Renly would be quite the event, and would likely result in her death, either through physical (and mental) trauma from the actual birth, or execution due to the abomination which she hath wrought. If she did survive the birth, and Steffon decided not to burn her where she lay, I picture a quick mental breakdown and suicide. Similarly, I could see a major push for Renly himself to be executed/burned/tied into a sack and sunk in the deepest part of the Narrow Sea... keeping him around, and the story getting out, could be a major blow to the standing of the Baratheon family. However, we know Steffon Baratheon was concerned with the wellbeing of his children... He excitedly wrote to Storm's End about finding Patchface, because he thought the fool could teach Stannis to smile. So I don't see Steffon murdering the boy. Instead, hushing up the whole thing as best he could, claiming his wife and child died during the birth, and then exile to the Night's Watch for Renly would be the course of action I'd predict would be taken. Unfortunately, for Renly, though he may have come out with the physical body of a 14 year old, he would still possess the mental abilities of a newborn, and he'd be knifed to death by a few of the more mercenary Brothers for his swanky gear a few days after arriving. Though this would not be the end of the story, and how could it be in GRRM's world where everything is so interconnected. Someone would tell, someone always tells... and the tale of the monstrosity delivered at Storm's End would spread far and wide throughout the realm, eventually reaching the ears of Rickard Stark. We know Rickard has "Southron Ambitions", but even he would question marrying his only daughter into a family whose seed is tainted, twisted, and now considered responsible for the birth of abominations. Therefore, betrothal between Lyanna and Robert would never happen, or would be annulled if it had already happened. The Baratheons would also flee to Essos to escape the shame and possible retribution coming to them for the birth of a fully grown man. Cut to the Tourney of Harrenhall... Rhaegar woos Lyanna with his song, then crowns her. Rhaegar, knowing Lyanna is not betrothed to anyone, approaches Rickard and asks for his daughter's hand in marriage. At first Rickard would be resistant... Rhaegar is already married, and Targaryens haven't practiced polygamy in 3 centuries... but in the end, "Southron Ambitions", so he'd agree to the match. Also, Brandon and Rhaegar become good friends during Brandon's wedding to Catelyn, bonding over their obvious love for the ladies. Brandon even asks Rhaegar to push for polygamy for all Nobles, or at least Lords Paramount, once he takes the throne, though nothing ever comes of this. There's obviously no "kidnapping" of Lyanna, no Brandon running to King's Landing, no Aerys having everyone killed etc. Instead Rhaegar is able to depose his father peacefully, with the support of the North (through his betrothal to Lyanna and friendship with Brandon), Riverlands (through Brandon's marriage to Catelyn), Dorne (marriage to Elia), and the Westerlands (Tywin thinks that if Rhaegar has 2 wives, why not 3, and Cersei's still available). He then reinstitutes the Targaryen practice of polygamy, marries Lyanna, and produces the Song of Ice and Fire. It stays on the Billboard Hot 100 for 17 years. From the Iron Throne, with a united realm, using the funds amassed by the Song, Rhaegar is able to prepare everyone for the coming Long Night... bolstering the Watch, finding the Others weaknesses, rallying everyone together, moving the Wildings south to deny the Others recruits, preparing the Wall and the North into a deathtrap for the Others. When the Others do arrive, 3 months of hard fighting sees them beaten back for another 1000 years. Everyone goes home happy. The end.
  8. It was Ramsey's idea to kill the Miller's boys. I don't think it's ever said who did the actual deed, but it's implied it was Reek, and we know it was Reek who flayed the corpses. Oh yeah, I'd love to see how he justifies the rape of the innkeep's daughter. Or the rape of Elia.
  9. Unacosamedarisa

    Question regarding Mad King !!

    "Burn them all!" is show only. The Aerys of the books was a lot more... rational with his plan to burn King's Landing, if rational is the right word. Aerys wanted to leave Robert only ashes to rule, and to burn the traitors he saw all around him...
  10. Unacosamedarisa

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    If it was a Red Herring, it would be explicitly stated in the text. Someone would say "Jon is actually the son of Lyanna, and maybe Rhaegar". But no one says that... GRRM has not shown us it, to then catch us out with something different. No one ever suggests Lyanna could be Jon's mother, just like no one ever suggests Ned isn't his father. The actual Red Herrings are Wylla, Ashara, and the Fisherman's daughter. They're the ones that are explicitly stated as being Jon's mother. R+L=J is not obvious to an isolated reader... it's obvious when we've all had decades to read and reread the books, and read fan theories, and collections of evidence in favour for the theory, and the like.
  11. Unacosamedarisa

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    I agree, though I think any sympathy arising from it is meant to be for Cersei, not Joffrey.
  12. Unacosamedarisa

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    If there was a chance of him changing, if GRRM intended us to read that, there would be evidence of the change. This is what I meant. You still don't understand. I'm saying that fictional characters can change. But, if the author writes them with no sign, hint, or evidence of the change, then that character isn't changing. As it is with Joffrey. No. I think the ACTUAL RAPE of someone, which Joffrey intended to do, and would have done had Tyrion not threatened to geld him, is worse than the stripping and beating. Remember, Joff makes the threat then calls for the bedding, and Tyrion scares him off. And I'm done. This was a clearly wilful misunderstanding of what I said. Clearly you want to insinuate that your opponents in these arguments are terrible people, rather than deal with their actual arguments.
  13. Unacosamedarisa

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    So, by your own admission, the only decision Joffrey made as King was "a huge fuck up"? Let's judge Joffrey on his actions as a King then... Verdict - a huge fuck up.
  14. Unacosamedarisa

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    Was what I meant. Nothing in the books suggests Joffrey was changing, or would change. Nothing. No, he isn't. He appears worse in book 2, because in book 3 he has Tywin hovering over him, and so he isn't willing to be as open with his cruelty. But, he still threatens to rape Sansa on her wedding night in book 3 (a major escalation from the previous stripping and beating), he still insists on serving Sansa Robb's head in book 3, he still insists on there being no mercy for the North and Riverlands in book 3, and he still tries to humiliate his uncle at the wedding in book 3. It's all part of Joffrey's facade, like I've said 3 times in this thread at least... He shows the Princely facade to people, comes across as gracious and nice and all that, and then the mask slips and we see the monster beneath. Also, I'm talking about his general escalation. We hear about him killing numerous animals, then we see him killing animals and ordering people's deaths, then he moves on to killing himself. This is the escalation of a monster. So... what exactly did Joffrey do to win the war? Appoint Tywin as his Hand? You yourself have said, previously in this very thread... To be honest, this makes me think you're either disingenuous, or a parody. But, to actually claim Joffrey won the war is beyond parody.