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  1. Arthur Peres

    Why people consider Jaime better than Robert

    Probably because GRRM hyped Jaime very much, comparing him to Aragorn and saying things like he is one of the best of Westeros history and so on, while Robert is used more as a background character.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    And killed the younger one after that... When we look back, the whole Stannis is a "just man" seems almost like a joke.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    It would be a favor, he would be giving Robert a real reason to divorce and execute Cersei and Joffrey. There is a big diference between warning the King and mocking the king. The first is a act of loyality the second is a weird way to get executed. Being cuckolded seems to be shameful for us, sure, but if you look on europe history you will often see kings using this to dispose of unwanted wifes, like Henry VIII did at least 2 times.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    This makes no sense. Robert hated Cersei and would've take any chance that he got to get ride of her and reward the brave soul that saved him from this misery in the process. Even without a reason to sideline her, Cersei and Renly thought that Robert could make Margeary the queen. Stannis not only did not tell Robert the truth or his suspicius but also abandoned him brother in the lion's den, without looking back.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    I don't think that he received the letters of Ned. It's never mentioned. But another think that goes against Stannis is that he was very bitter that Ned was made hand instead of him. even though he fleed the city without even trying to warn Robert.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    As far as Tywin was concern, Tyrion was imprisoned waiting for execution. I don't thin is possible for him to predict that Jaime will return, have a guity trip over event past years ago, release his brother charged with Kingslaying, army him with a crossbow and let him not only escape but also confront Tywin using the help of Varys during all that. Renly was killed by magic, that is no way to predict it or prevent it. As far as we know he had the best position, the bigger army and was the clear front runner when he was alive.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Sorry, I though that it was cleary a spoiler with the hidden content, but I will post a warn the next time.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    To be fair I don't think that Renly grabbed the idiot ball that got him killed, he was killed in a way that has no way to prevent against. And Tywin could not predict his death until Tyrion catching him with his briefs down in the pot.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Well Robb has the worst luck by far in the books, no one would suceed on his position if the conditions remained the same. His mistakes made him human and were not really that big, considering the things other characters got away with. Aegon being perfect would be boring and also does not fit the character, we already saw that he was a hot head and easily manipulated by Tyrion. The most interesting thing I expect of him is his relationship with Arianne, and the rush of Jon con probably pushing the worst on him with the whole erradication of the usurper line and rushing to sucess before the GS take him out.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Sure the details and the characters are diferent, but the arc would be the same. Aegon becoming something like a Maegor II is possible, but not very likely.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    I agree, but I also think that this would be the case for YG.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Well there is also the bad person/bad king... like Aegon IV, Aerys II, Maegor and Joffrey Lol. I don't know why you quoted me here, but I don't see Daenerys any better as ruler than Jon... they're both unreliable teenagers dealing with a imposible situation and failing miserable at it.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    I'm probably wrong, but I kind of feel that YG is a repeat history of Robb. Prodigy son of (or claim to be) a great man, raised to rule, honest, well intentioned, loyal, that is inexperienced, will be underastimated at the start by his enemies, gains several victories, gets delusional with his own sucess, strugle to keep his own sucess in check and fails miserable in the end for being to self centered and not matured enough and for the people on his camp having their own agenda (Jon Connington for YG, Theon/Catelyn/Roose for Robb).
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    I don't agree with this. So far the two best rulers of Westeros as they were presented were Jaeharys and Tywin, their time ruling was present as peaceful and prosperous. Jaeharys seems to fits your description, but Tywin is the complete oposite to it, and anothe example is Edmure, he tried to serve and protect his people but he only made one blunder after the other and doomed them all. GRRM seems to adopt that the best ruler is the most pragmatic, when he talked about the Carter presidency for example he seems to imply that Carter was a very decent and well intentioned man but not fit for the job.
  15. Could also be the 4 book of Duncan and Egg
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    Why Was Robb Such An Awful Diplomat?

    What makes you said that? Greatjon had his own command on Robb's campaing in the Westerlands and it never said that he performed poorly, Robb even let him takes the van on his last plan to take the Moat. Greatjon also had to deal more with wildlings than any other lord, and probably took part on Robert's Rebellion and the Greyjoy revolt.
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    Why Was Robb Such An Awful Diplomat?

    Roose was a disaster, he throw the battle without any need and made everything on his power to allow Tywin a easy victory. Exausted his army, when he had the element of surprise he stopped, gave up on high ground and fired arrows at his own men, for a battle that wasn't needed. And why Greatjon would be such a disaster? his idea was the exactly same that Roose tried: catch Tywin by surprise, but unlike Roose I don't see him betraying Robb or trowing the battle. Catelyn made several mistakes herself, starting the whole mess by kidnaping Tyrion without preparing the north like Eddard asked her, losing Tyrion, and later on freeing Jaime.
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    Why Was Robb Such An Awful Diplomat?

    To what house would he use Sansa to marry into? Westerlands and Ironborns are his enemies. The reach lords doesn't care about the north, as we already saw Redwyne and Tyrell refusing the idea, Tarly, would not betrayl his liege as we saw in Renly's death, and this is the same for Rowan, Oakheart and Hightower. Dorne is too far away and already tooked the bethrothal to Myrcella. And no lord in the Vale would risk being cut off from his lands by the bloody gate. Stannis failed to realize that the IT has killed Robb's father, grandfather, aunt, uncle, has imprisoned his sisters and stole Ice, a heirdom of his house... Just to put in comparison, Lyonnel Baratheon declared himself king, after a broken bethrothal by Aegon V... If Stannis had any sense he would realize the North grievances and negotiate. Instead he became mad for Robb not following him for a kingship he didn't even declare. Stannis is too self centered. Robb knows that Balon wants his independence, and he is realizes that they have the same goal at the moment, break free from the IT. Robb also knows that Theon is Balon's heir, and his best friend and expected as any logical human being that Balon would have cared for his son and his strategic goals and take the said alliance. Theon was more than just a emisary, he was a living prof of goodwill to make the alliance. Why Balon hates the Starks? and why should Robb know this? Balon was defeated and humiliated by Robert, if anything Balon has more reason to hate Joffrey "his son" and Stannis the one that defeated them in the sea.
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    Why Was Robb Such An Awful Diplomat?

    Robb was proposing an alliance, sending Theon was a great show of good faith, and we know from Theon own POV that he had all the intention to make this alliance. Little Finger did the same thing when he was negotiating with the Tyrells, he wanted to return both of the Redwynes twins. Balon was the idiot that not only rejected the only alliance possible for him, but also decided to attack a place he had no chance to conquer in the middle of winter, and at the same time making all the other kings his enemies...
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    Why Was Robb Such An Awful Diplomat?

    Robb did listened to Catelyn several times and it backfired on him. Like choosing Roose to lead an army...
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    Why Was Robb Such An Awful Diplomat?

    “I had heard that Queen Cersei has the Hand’s daughters,” Lefford said hopefully. “If we give the lad his sisters back . . . ” Ser Addam snorted disdainfully. “He would have to be an utter ass to trade Jaime Lannister’s life for two girls.” No he couldn't, Robb is just wishing a positive scenario in mid of dispair, as readers we know that it wasn't the case. The Tyrells wanted a queen of the seven kingdoms, Mace does not even care about the north as we saw he say himself. Lord Redwyne laughed. “What is there north of the Neck that any sane man would want? If Greyjoy will trade swords and sails for stone and snow, I say do it, and count ourselves lucky.” “Truly,” agreed Mace Tyrell. Stannis was in the wrong there and behave like a bitter child. He didn't just ignored Robb's but also the Vale and Dorne for no reason. He rumbled the whole prologue about how Robert loved Ned and not him, and how he was wronged by him, than his bitter about Renly and about not being loved by the stormlords... He ignored Cressen and once Catelyn showed up he insults Eddard for no reason and threatned Robb when was proposed an alliance... great display of diplomacy right there. Stannis was a idiot self centered, and is now having to eat several humble pies in the north, fighting for "Ned's girls", the man he envy so much. Karstark already had sent his cavalry to hunt Jaime, and his infantry remained in control. Sparing or killing Rickard has no effect what so ever on Robb's army or his fate.
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    Why Aegon II spared Aegon III?

    after Rhaenyra losing KL and being captured by her brother in Dragon Stone, Aegon III was her last heir alive know at that point, since Viserys II was still lost and belived to be dead. Since the whole point of the Dance was a dynistic dispute, why did Aegon II spared Aegon III? Without a figured head and a heir to Rhaenyra, the blacks would have no alternative to replace Aegon II. Seems rather odd that Aegon II choose to spare his nephew. if anything he hated the boy and the kid was threat to him, also Aegon II didn't seems to mind much about kinslaying since he praised Aemond for this deed and later killed his sister himself.
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    Was rebellion inevitable against the Targaryen Dynasty ?

    Rhaegar bares the fault as much as his father.
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    Why Was Robb Such An Awful Diplomat?

    Well, he wasn't. He just didn't have any real cards to play with. Robb did try to reach Renly, but Renly died, Robb did try to reach Balon, but Balon was the one too stupid, and Robb try to reach Lysa but as we know she would never aid him thanks to Baelish. Only Tyrion tried to solve the war through diplomacy, making the alliance with the Martells and Tyrells, all the other parties did not even tried. Renly already considered the Martells and even Stannis as part of his force but was compleatly ignored. Balon ignored the only potential ally that had a common goal with him and later tried to make one alliance with Tywin but was mocked, and Stannis that only demanded fealty without anything in return and when Cressen tried to sugest an alliance with Robb or Renly was ignored and even the Vale was discarted.
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    To Kingslay or Kinslay: That is the Question.

    Well, using Stannis logic here, the duty to your family and brother comes before the duty to your liege right? so I would think based on this Kinslaying is worse. Jaime if let the Kingsguard could still take CR for example. But Tyrion was excluded from the sucession for murdering Tywin. I would also put breaking of guess right there to be compared with the other two.
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