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  1. Sorry but this sums up my feelings on Davos: https://seriousjones.tumblr.com/post/109067869920/why-are-you-so-mean-to-davos
  2. Also this: Also Cortnay Penrose is just awesome (much more than smelly onion man Davos or Melly Sanders). “May the Others bugger your Lord of Light,” Penrose spat back, “and whipe his arse with that rag you bear.” Morrigen bristled. “Be glad this is a parley, Penrose, or I would have your tongue for those words.” “And cast it in the same fire where you left your manhood?” ----- He pulled off his glove and flung it full in the king’s face. “Single combat. Sword, lance, or any weapon you care to name. Or if you fear to hazard your magic sword and royal skin against an old man, name yourr champion, and I shall do the same.” He gave Guyard Morrigen and Bryce Caron a scathing look. “Either of these pups would do nicely, I should think.” ----- The king ground his teeth. “No.” Ser Cortnay did not seem surprised. “Is it the justice of your cause that you doubt, my lord, or the strength of your arm? Are you afraid I’ll piss on your burning sword and put it out?” ----- The king pointed a finger at him. “I give you fair warning. If you force me to take my castle by storm, you may expect no mercy. I will hang you for traitors, everyone of you.” “As the gods will it. Bring your storm, my lord - and recall, if you do, the name of this castle.” Ser Cortnay gave a pull on his reins and rode back toward the gate.
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    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    You make a good point Bernie Mac. In the sept scene Cersei couldn't have forced Jaime off of her, since calling the guards could mean her death as well. She seemed to give in to him at the end, but IMO it's still rape if you wanted to say no but couldn't do that due to surrounding factors and so had to say yes instead. Cersei does coerce Jaime as well - like when she forced him to choose between Casterly Rock and her - but that doesn't have the same gravity to it. Jaime's life wasn't in danger, Cersei isn't physically stronger, Cersei does have power over him as his queen but as we can see Jaime easily disregards her objections or orders. In the end, I guess it's up to you and whether you prefer a Watsonian or Doylist perspective. George says it wasn't rape - but didn't D&D say that about same scene in the show which was pretty much unequivocally agreed to be rape? (Stated here). Twilight features an abusive relationship which is portrayed by the author as loving and healthy, but that doesn't mean it actually is. The concept of consent seems to be a very modern thing altogether and most of these books were written in the 1990s - 2000s.
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    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    I actually don't think Cersei is being an unreliable narrator here. Take a look at these two scenes:
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    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    If Ygritte is 3 years older than Jon and 19 years old, that means Jon is 16. ASOS doesn't take place at the start of 299 AC. It takes place at the end of 299 AC and moves onto 300 AC.
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    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    I agree! I think this is the trope of "no means yes", where a man forces himself on a woman and it's fine because she actually secretly wants it. Which is uncomfortable as hell, and it's very careless of George to portray this as some sexy thing (ASOIAF IS NOT AN EROTIC NOVEL), but it's not supposed to be rape/abuse. I've read some takes that the sept scene in the books was rape just like in the show so that made me wonder. But yeah - considering how Jaime is shown to be strongly against rape (Rhaella, Pia) I don't think George ever intended him to come across as a rapist.
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    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    Since two other ultra sensitive topics are going on, I thought it might be the best time to bring up this passage I noticed on a reread... What do you think, folks?
  8. Well, as my name suggests, I'm a Renly fan.. I respect Renly because he worked to decrease the Lannister influence in King's Landing. He did this three ways: a) By replacing Cersei with Margaery b) By asking Ned to sieze Joffrey and the other Lannister children to check Cersei and when his options ran out c) By declaring himself King. I think his comments on Shireen and Brienne get taken out of proportion. Renly doesn't insult Shireen and Brienne to be malicious, he's simply someone who likes mocking anyone and anything (other people he mocks are Ilyn Payne, Littlefinger, Cersei, Joffrey, Selyse and Stannis) and in the Shireen comment he was mostly going after Stannis and Shireen was just a by-blow. The text presents him as someone who doesn't take anything seriously...in comparison to Stannis who takes everything too seriously. I only started respecting Stannis after he lost the Battle of the Blackwater and went to the North. Stannis needed a serious humbling, at the start of ACOK he would have basically been a tyrant if he became king. He grows into someone who truly cares for his people and the character growth is nothing short of amazing. I do somewhat like Robert, but I don't respect him at all.
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    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    Hmm that's even grosser.
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    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    Isn't Fat Walda like 15 and Roose 30? And there's also the legal power he holds over her as her husband. @Nagini's Neville The wiki says she's 3 years older.
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    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    He was born in 283 AC, and Storm took place in 299 AC.
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    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    Are you serious? Jon was 16 when he slept with Ygritte. To answer OP, yes I think Ygritte did rape Jon, if we're going by a strict modern definition of the term. However.....and I know this is going to sound awful, but I don't care very much. Jon did want to sleep with Ygritte, and he also enjoyed it, once he got over his guilt about his vows. If Jon wasn't a crow it would be just a normal seduction and romance. In this series where marriage is basically institutionalised sexual abuse, Jon and Ygritte don't come off as very problematic to me. And I like their relationship. Sorry.
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    Was the drowning of the Reynes justified?

    How are they supposed to fight for a dead body??? Renly had no heir. They couldn't stay neutral since now they were in Rebellion with the crown. Some even went over to Stannis because they thought of him as Renly's heir. The smallfolk also mourned him, the people of KL loved Margaery in part because they loved Renly, there were people calling out his name even after he was dead. So yeah Renly was loved.
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    Why didn't Tyrion consummate his marriage with Sansa?

    For the ongoing debate, here are some relationships/marriages where the woman was bedded before reaching the legal age of adulthood. (Kudos to joannalannister on Tumblr). Arryn, Aemma. married at age 11 to Jaeherys. She was bedded many times in the early years of her marriage and had many miscarriages. Frey, Amerei. Her first husband Pate died when she was 17, so she was obviously wedded and bedded when she was 16 or younger. Walda Frey was 14 or 15 when she was wedded and bedded by Roose Bolton. Lannister, Genna. Betrothed at 7, wedded and bedded somewhere between age 12 and 14. (Emmon Frey is 7 or 8 years older). Jayne Lothson became a mistress of Aegon IV Targaryen at age 14, in exchange for her father becoming Hand. Alysanne Targaryen was wedded and bedded at age 13 or 14. Daenerys Targaryen, daughter of Aerys II, wedded and bedded at age 13. Targaryen, Daenerys, wife of Maron Martell. Wedded and bedded at age 14 or 15. Helaena Targaryen, wedded and bedded at age 13 to her brother Aegon. Rhaella Targaryen. wedded and bedded at age 11 or 12 or 13. Gave birth to Rhaegar at age 12 or 13 or 14. Rhaelle Targaryen. Although her precise age is unknown, she was wedded and bedded in 245, when she was somewhere between 12 and 16 years old. Shasta Targaryen, wedded and bedded at age 14. Velaryon, Daenaera. wedded and bedded before age 16. She was presented to the king at the age of 6, “a surpassingly beautiful child.” The exact date of her marriage is unknown, but she first gave birth at 16, so she was married sometime before that. Webber, Rohanne, wedded at 12, wedded again and bedded at 13, gave birth to her first child at 13. Precise ages for her successive marriages are unknown, but she was married five times before age 25. Edwell Celtigar offering his then 12- and 13-year-old daughters as brides for Maegor the Cruel. Elinor Costayne having three boys with Theo Bolling by the age of 19, making it very likely she was married before she was 16. The 15-year-old Prince Viserys marries the 11-year-old Aemma Arryn? Oh it’s fine, we’ll add a note that he waited two years to consummate it, I’m sure there will be no problems after that. Borros Baratheon offering his four prepubescent daughters in marriage to the 19-year-old Aemond Targaryen. Floris Baratheon being betrothed at 14, and dying in childbirth at 16. Butterwell in The Mystery Knight has a 15 year old bride if I recall.
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    Drastic or unforgivable acts

    Didn't he have nightmares about them?
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