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  1. Peach King

    What is the healthiest relationship in ASOIAF?

    They're not equals- Catelyn has no legal power over Ned. They only appear to be equals because Ned listens to Catelyn. Ned could in fact shut Catelyn down whenever he wants and order her to do his will, which he did, when he told Catelyn to never speak of Jon Snow's origins to him, scaring her to such an extent she never brought it up again. Re: Gilly and Sam I mean that Gilly was so desperate to leave her abusive father that she is completely dependent upon Sam for protection and guidance.
  2. Peach King

    What is the healthiest relationship in ASOIAF?

    They actually sat the throne and heard petitions, and ruled even without Aegon. Rhaenys established the Rule of Six. They were also warriors and field commanders. F&B makes a point that Alysanne was not a queen in her own right, while Rhaenys and Visenya were. EDIT: Found a relevant passage: The “rule of six,” now part of the common law, was established by Rhaenys as she sat the Iron Throne while the king was upon one of his progresses …After deliberating with the maesters and septons, Rhaenys declared that, whilst the gods made women to be dutiful to their husbands and so could be lawfully beaten, only six blows might ever be struck—one for each of the Seven, save the Stranger, who was death. Rhaenys didn't have to consult Aegon or get his approval to pass this law.
  3. Peach King

    What is the healthiest relationship in ASOIAF?

    But they didn't do it through Aegon they did it by themselves.
  4. Peach King

    What is the healthiest relationship in ASOIAF?

    According to Archmaester Gyldayn, Alysanne had no authority to enact laws, issue decrees, make proclamations, or pass sentences. All she had was her influence over Jaeherys. If Jaeherys didn't listen to her, she would have no power. Meanwhile Visneya and Rhaenys were primarily the ones who governed the realm instead of Aegon, and Visenya founded institutions like the Kingsguard.
  5. Peach King

    What is the healthiest relationship in ASOIAF?

    I disagree! I think Aegon-Visenya-Rhaenys had a better relationship than Jaeherys and Alysanne. Alysanne had no power other than Jaeherys being willing to listen to her, while Visenya and Rhaenys had actual power of their own and were engaged in statecraft and ruling. Missed the point about incest being ruled out, thanks for pointing that out.
  6. Peach King

    What is the healthiest relationship in ASOIAF?

    No marriage should qualify here, because all of them are unequal (peasant marriages may not have the same gap in power, but we're not given a close look at them.) The husband has almost complete power over the wife. Power to hit her, rape her, make her obey his orders, control who she sees and where she resides, and so on. Asha and Qarl would also not really be considered equal or healthy by modern standards. Asha is a princess with a band of loyal followers who would follow anything she does, while Qarl is a nobody who Asha can have killed at any time. Sam and Gilly aren't either. Gilly is almost completely dependent on Sam, emotionally and physically. The most equal relationship in ASOIAF was probably Daeron Targaryen and Jeremy Norridge. They were squires of similar age who grew up together and fell in love. Aegon and his sisters as well, as Rhaenys and Visenya owned dragons and had the power to enact laws and pass decrees.
  7. Peach King

    What made you become a fan of ASOIAF?

    I saw a gif of Renly and Loras in a shipping thread on twitter and they seemed cute so I read the books just for them. .....True story.
  8. How GRRM foreshadows events that happen books later and his "gardener" style of writing?
  9. Oh wow thanks for asking me If you're going to draw the peach scene all I would ask is that you draw Book Renly since nice art of him is rather lacking. Oh and a frustrated Catelyn in the background would be a nice touch.
  10. Peach King

    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    Since two other ultra sensitive topics are going on, I thought it might be the best time to bring up this passage I noticed on a reread... What do you think, folks?
  11. Peach King

    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    That's cause GRRM is obsessed with rape....lmfao
  12. Peach King

    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    janiedean is a Brienne X Jaime shipper and completely biased, her theory that Jaime is a CSA victim is shaky at best and her only argument to that effect is that Jaime doesn't remember exactly what he was doing with Cersei when they were fooling around together as children, which she thinks is because of disassociation. This doesn't sound like dissociative forgetting - it simply sounds like normal forgetting of childhood events. In fact, it sounds like what Jaime forgot wasn't their first sexual experience. Based on the "once", it seems that they'd been playing at it for quite a while before they got caught. Jaime simply forgot what specifically they were doing that day, but he seems to remember other times pretty well. Given that the societal power imbalance favoured Jaime, Jaime's pushiness when it comes to sex, and Jaime's obsession with Cersei from a young age (whilst Cersei had a crush on Rhaegar) Jaime is more likely to be the abuser. But I don't think that's what happened either.
  13. Peach King

    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    Whoa this got out of hand! @Lyanna<3Rhaegar Sorry for misrepresenting you earlier. You were not saying that Cersei could not get raped because she's a strong woman, I misread and I apologize. I'll admit I behaved a bit dishonestly here. I don't want Jaime to be a rapist, I kinda mostly wanted others to assuage my fears against him being a rapist....so my arguments were made partly in bad faith. I wanted to make the case extremely strong against Jaime, so I'd get an equally strong defense. But Lyanna, @Dofs and some other posters have come through and convinced me. Let's review: 1. The preferred dynamic of Jaime and Cersei is that she makes him come to her, and initiate whatever sexual encounters they have. So yes, Jaime does enact sex in risky situations, but Cersei wants to do it as well. 2. Cersei saying no, or weakly protesting, is just a part of their foreplay. We can see this in the tower with Bran as well, where Cersei tells Jaime to "stop it" (but her body says otherwise). 3. These protests are not made in seriousness. Cersei murmurs or speaks with a weak voice, which means she does want it to happen, and she is shown to be capable of commanding Jaime to do her bidding or be firm with him in other instances. Jaime knows when no actually means no through Cersei's body language and tone of voice. 4. In the sept scene, Jaime was not capable of overpowering Cersei - he needed her help to even put it inside of her. So yes, Cersei could have pushed him away or walked out, but she didn't want to. She objects, but half-heartedly (as again, Cersei protesting is foreplay for them as a couple) and as GRRM says, "she was as hungry for him as he was for her." Other aspects of their relationship give me pause (such as the "he used to turn her blows into kisses" quote) but without further information, I can't make any judgements. Verdict: NOT RAPE, just another symptom of their fucked up relationship, but it's consensual.
  14. Correct me if I'm wrong, I know nothing about medieval history as I said. But do armies really do a single mass charge? Doesn't the van attack first, then they see what happens, then they go for a second round. There's just no proof Stannis was doing anything is all.
  15. If he's gonna siege Storm's End, he would need siege equipment....and he was sieging Storm's End. He couldn't just stand outside and be like "I'm sieging this castle!" he needs to actually siege the castle. Wouldn't Renly's scouts see them though? If they did Randyll Tarly would have mentioned it while making battle plans, but he doesn't seem to think Stannis did anything like that. No! No matter how stupid you are you're not going to charge directly into sharpened spikes. He would have heard screams of terror and ALLa that...besides the sun isn't such a big factor. Storm's End could have blocked out the sun. Yeah that's possible. Still Renly's cause ends with Renly and his soldiers would know that. I guess it could happen....but 9/10 odds maybe. Not more than that.
  16. I mean, Catelyn literally says that's what he was doing: Yeah, Stannis could have won the battle, if Stannis had actually built considerable defenses, and if Renly was stupid enough to charge into those considerable defenses after seeing his van get wrecked by them, and didn't retreat and reband instead, and if Renly was unlucky enough to fall and get pierced by a spike while wearing full armour and a helm made by Tobho Mott, one of the best armourers in Westeros.
  17. They could be for trebuchets used to siege the castle. Ah ok. Still the battle wasn't as one sided as Stannis Vs Renly.
  18. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/battle-of-the-golden-spurs.html The Flemish actually did have knights with them, while Stannis had none. Nada. I don't think he had a high chance of dying. He is literally the person who had the least chance of dying in that battle. As for sharpened stakes or whatever I don't remember them ever being mentioned.
  19. I know nothing about history but I just checked other sources and the French had roughly 10,000 men and 2,500 knights. The Flemish army also had a comparable army in terms of numbers (8-12,000) but had limited noble support amounting to, at most, 1-200 knights. They were nowhere close to being outnumbered like Stannis was! Renly wasn't in the van, he was in the right of the main battle.
  20. No way Stannis could have won that battle. He was outnumbered 1:4, his army was of lesser quality, being made up of poor fishlords and half were sellswords while Renly had the cream of the Reach, fully trained knights. Stannis also had Storm's End behind him which could send sorties to hit Stannis in the back. Stannis' army had lesser fighting potential overall and his sellswords would not be loyal and might lose courage halfway throughout the battle. He could only win by killing Renly and Renly was well protected by his armour and his Rainbow knights.
  21. Yeah that's not canon. We don't know when they started their relationship.
  22. Peach King

    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    "Not here" is still no. And I think we need to do away with the notion of Cersei's personality or her arousal mattering here. Her being strong willed and confident matters nothing with regards to her being assaulted, and that actually sends a really gross message that only weak women are the ones who allow themselves to get raped. That is, I've seen, how people excuse Ygritte and Jon - Jon was into it! Jon was physically stronger! He could have fought Ygritte off! He had Ghost! Jaime ignores Cersei even when she's physically, violently resisting. And Cersei is at a clear disadvantage here - she's tried to stop Jaime, she's said no to him like three times before, and she can't scream or call for help because that would just put her in danger as well. Couldn't she be murmuring because she didn't want to attract attention? Jaime is also an unreliable narrator here - he says he doesn't hear her, but also notes down everything she says, which means he was hearing her. She agreed, sure, but because she wanted him to hurry up and end it quickly. And - this is important - Jaime does not know Cersei's state of mind. This was, if I remember, their first time after Jaime's long absence. Jaime does not know how their relationship stands. Cersei might have a new lover. Cersei might not want him anymore, which is actually true, Jaime's beard and the loss of his hand turned Cersei off. Cersei was mad about it even later: They're not a couple who establishes boundaries and who are just acting out their kinks together. There's no safe words, no nothing - if yes means no, how is Jaime supposed to know when no actually means no? How many times did no actually mean no? Cersei was into it later on - but only after Jaime wore her down and ignored her repeated refusals. This actually goes against my words from earlier on, which, I know these things are common in erotica yada yada yada but that doesn't absolve them of being problematic. I don't read it as totally consensual, you might have a different opinion. That's a good point, but Cersei repeatedly said she didn't want to do it then and now. George himself said the time and place was wildly inappropriate and Cersei was fearful of discovery. That doesn't detract that Cersei is not the one who wants to have risky sex - it's Jaime. She certainly did not want to have sex next to a sleeping Robert or in the sept. I'm sure Cersei would have second thoughts since she loves her children and her lives would be at stake if she was ever found out. I actually misremembered (or I can't find the passage?) - it was Osney Kettleblack, he stroked her hair and Cersei wanted to slap him. He also didn't do the task of seducing Margaery which Cersei gave him and sold her out to the High Septon. So in the end - I think it does fit into the theme of Cersei getting taken advantage of by men she thought she was controlling through sex. Which is my private interpretation of how things go.
  23. Half grown boy? Loras was 17 and Renly was 21 when he died
  24. Peach King

    Was Jaime molesting Cersei?

    Whoa! Cersei as a COCSA victim of Jaime's? That's dark. It's possible. Cersei bases her identity on being sexually promiscuous like most victims of sexual abuse, while Jaime is laser focused on no one else but Cersei. I think she did want to have sex - but not right then. Not in the Sept next to Joffrey's dead body where the guards could have found them. Jaime is the one who wants to play risky games, not Cersei - Cersei says something to the effect of "you just had to have me" while talking about them having sex in the tower in Winterfell. He also was the one to initiate sex while Robert was sleeping next to them and blithely stated that he would just kill Robert if he woke up. Cersei seems to think that controlling men through sex makes her powerful - but is that really what's going on? Robert assaulted her. She did manipulate Jaime, but Jaime also assaulted her. Even one of the Kettleblacks she was manipulating groped her against her will.
  25. Sorry but this sums up my feelings on Davos: https://seriousjones.tumblr.com/post/109067869920/why-are-you-so-mean-to-davos
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