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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Some interesting information summarized from Fire and Blood: Despite everything we’ve seen her do, it turns out Dany is destructible. And if we are to believe what Fire & Blood tells us about her ancestors, specifically, one who was named Princess Daenerys the First, the cold might not be the most optimal temperature for our Mother of Dragons. Per the book, Princess Daenerys the First died of “the Shivers,” a disease that kills its host via the coldest conditions imaginable despite the presence of dragon blood. And until her death, the Targaryens believed that they could not get sick. Beware of Viserion's blue flame (although it appears at least in the show to be extreme fire-but who knows for sure). Perhaps Viserys will end up getting revenge on Daenerys in quite a twist. It would be very ironic. But probably will not happen. Interesting none the less.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    An apparent leaked cast list from HBO (now deleted I believe) has now revealed who will be starring in the season premiere, with one notable absence. The exception being the NK. All the major characters were included. In addition it looks like we will be seeing Melissandre, Greyworm, Missandei, Tormund G., Beric D., Edmure Tully, the Hound, Gendry, Lyanna Mormont, Alys Karstark, Ned Umber, Podrick, and everyone's "favorite" Robin Arryn. Looks like at least one KL scene with Cersei, Qyburn, the Mountain (and Euran as well - but who knows where he will be). Just thought people might want to know if you haven't seen this yet.
  3. I agree that Bran is the key figure to bring down the NK in the End Game. He should be able to return to the time of the Long Night 5-8000 years ago and find out what the agreement was between the Last Hero (who I believe in our story is Jon), the COTF and the NK which resulted in the NK withdrawing back North and the Wall being built. The NK/WW's were winning the battle at that time so it must have been a very significant concession for the NK to agree to withdraw. I tend to agree (at least it sounds reasonable) with the theory that it is tied into the PTWP prophecy/legend which is tied into the Old Gods. The PTWP will turn out to be a special Combined Royal Child of Stark/Targaryen blood that was promised to the NK and I believe we will find out the reason why in season 8. The NK is invading now to get the child he was promised (which is Jon's/Daenerys' child - who will turn out to be the PTWP). Perhaps the NK was not prepared/able to invade when Jon was born so that is why he is invading now. Jon actually is only half royal anyway. Perhaps even Jon's/Daenerys' births were the triggers that woke up the NK/WW's to begin with, and they are now invading to get the combined royal child (an adult will not do) that a royal Jon (but still half Stark) will sire with a magical royal Targaryen (Daenerys - she is not your average Targaryen). Perhaps as a Greenseer this was all partially foreseen by the NK. The NK is reportedly of Stark origin. Crastor's sons who were sacrificed to the NK were probably of Stark/Targaryen ancestry. Crastor's father was most probably BloodRaven who was the bastard son of Aegon Targaryen IV. So it does appear there is some sort of sacred connection between Stark and the Targaryen bloods. I believe we will see the specific connection delineated in Season 8. However, Crastor's sons turned out to not be what he was hoping/looking for as they were not sufficiently Royal in lineage. The NK has had chances to kill both Jon and Daenerys but did not. You might say that he tried but was not successful. However, I would not be surprised if we find out these missed chances were intentional, not just coincidence. The fate of Bran is a little bit more difficult to predict. Perhaps he will need to sacrifice himself in order to take down the NK. It would not surprise me if this happens. I find it a little more of an intriguing idea to consider is that he will need to sacrifice the Three-Eyed Raven part of himself to take down the NK, and when the NK is destroyed he will suddenly appear to die but will then wake up as the original non-magical Bran. He will then assume a leadership role in the rebuilding of Winterfell and Westeros (if you give any credence to the oddsmakers) similar to his ancestor, Bran the Builder, who built Winterfell in the first place. Just some thoughts. Probably won't happen this way. I do agree the Iron Throne will be gone (IMHO its the major overall twist in the story combined with the major individual twist of Daenerys giving up her obsession to rule). We shall see.
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    The Fate of the Dragons in The End Game

    One of Dany's dragons, I believe Drogon, incinerated a child to death (no rider) when Daenerys was in Mereen. She chained up her other two dragons as a result.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Updated Current Vegas Odds (OddsShark-Odds to Rule Westeros)) - Just for peoples information Bran Stark -150 Jon +600 Sansa Stark +800 BoatSex Baby +1000 Tyrion +1000 Night King +1000 Daenerys +1200 Gendry + 1500 Cersei +2500 They finally have included BoatSex Baby in the odds. I don't want to get into a debate over the usefulness/validity of the odds but it does make at least some sense to me that if we end up with a live BoatSex baby the child (under the reported established lines of succession in the world of Westeros) would be above Daenerys in the line of succession, whether Daenerys lives or dies. Jon would almost certainly marry her once he finds out she is pregnant and even if he did not, as King, he could always legitimize the child. While I admit it is possible that Daenerys could keep her pregnancy secret up thru the End Game, IMHO this is not very likely. Should be very interesting to see how the odds will change up to April 14 as we get some more trailers/teasers or other information is available.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    GOT trailer at Super Bowl tonight. Very cute as part of commercial for Bud Light. No new info though. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fhOItB0zUM&feature=youtu.be
  7. As it is pouring rain here in South Florida (unfortunately not a beach day) I thought I would start a thread regarding the fate of the dragons in season 8. I haven't seen much written about this recently so I thought with the new season starting soon it might be an appropriate topic for discussion/ideas. GRRM has recently stated in an interview following the release of Fire and Blood that in his books (ASOIAF) his intent in including dragons was to portray them as destructive forces that might enable Daenerys to conquer but do not necessarily enable her to rule. He seemed to portray them as destabilizing forces and as a result, IMHO, there is a decent probability that they will not survive the end game. They will either have to leave Westeros or all die. I think the latter is the more likely of the two. If you are a fan of a Tolkienish form of ending perhaps their deaths will be a lingering emotional pain for Daenerys (assuming she survives) that she will have to deal with for the rest of her life (akin to the physical pain Frodo had to endure after being stabbed by the morgul blade). There has been some discussions in the past that the dragon's names might be a clue as to their demise. A resurrected Viserion may ultimately be killed by Drogan (akin to Viserys being killed by Drogo). Rhaegal may be killed by the NK in battle (akin to Rhaegar being killed by King R.B. in the Battle of the Trident). Finally we may see Drogon being killed in some manner by Daenerys. Perhaps Drogon goes rouge/mad (not Daenerys), burns KL, and Daenerys may have to order Jon to shoot him down with a resultant scorpion shot thru the eye (similar to the death of Rhaenys Targaryen's dragon Meraxes during the first Dornish War many years ago). Or perhaps she will have to kill Drogan after he suffers mortal wounds in battle (a mercy killing similar to Daenerys killing Drogo in S1). The death of all the dragons certainly would not be popular with many fans (remember all the internet/twitter outrage/laments with the death of Viserion in S7) and certainly would be a divisive/disheartening ending for many fans. Personally I think there are going to be a number of divisive issues in the End Game, with this being just one possible one of them. I'm sure other fans have some different ideas regarding the fate of the dragons in S8. So what do people think? At least it gives us something to do whole we wait for S8 to begin. No one really knows for sure.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    According to Orange Cinema Series (a group of French TV channels) episodes 1 and 2 of season 8 will be 60 minutes each in length with episodes 3-6 being about 80 minutes in length. Just thought some people might be interested in this info.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    See post 1340 on this thread. I was merely pointing out that Ned's sword Ice was not the original Ice to clarify this for the poster.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    The Stark House sword has been named "Ice" dating back about 8000 yrs to the Age of Heroes, Ned's sword Ice was about 400 years old. It was the most recent version of Ice but not the first Stark sword named Ice.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Just finished watching brief BBC interview with Kit from today. He reported some “grief that its over” and stated it was tough going around knowing the ending but not being able to say anything about it. He compared his feelings to just completing a good book and being a little sad that it was over. In line with this view he stated he was therefore “not happy, but very satisfied” about the show physically ending for him. Regarding the actual specific end game of the show he stated “Hopefully it will change TV again like it did originally, and break boundaries. I think it did”. He also has the statute from the teaser just out and may turn it into a water fixture in the future (said this kind of jokingly). From his last quote it does sound like the ending may be somewhat unique and creative. I really hope so. But who knows. We shall see.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Perhaps we can agree to disagree. IMHO whatever the specific question was, Emelia was talking about her feelings regarding the last scene Daenerys will be in in the show. If you combine the statement with Emelia's reported dysphoric demeanor while saying it I still feel it has some degree of significance. I see the her GMA comments in an opposite manner compared to your view.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I loved the way the feather flew out of Lyanna's statute when Jon walked past, It was the feather Robert B. had placed in her hand in the pilot episode. And then it appeared to freeze as the cold fog crept toward the 3 of them with Jon and Arya having drawn their swords.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Season 8 starts April 14. New 1 1/2 minute teaser is out showing Jon, Sansa, and Ayra in Winterfell Crypts viewing their statutes.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    In the VF article she was quoted (when asked about her feelings about Daenerys' last scene) she responded "It fucked me up. Knowing that is going to leave a lasting flavor in someone's mouth about what Deanery is". She was not talking about her personal feelings as an actress in filming her last scene in the show. It was reported in the article that she made these comments with a dysphoric tone to her speech. I do agree that some people have interpreted this as leaving a "bad taste" in some people's (audience) mouth and she did not say that specifically. However, I do believe that it is challenging to interpret her comments in an optimistic manner. I am aware of the context. Regardless, doing "weird shit" is still doing "weird shit". Thanks for the GMA interview clip. My read on this interview content is that she was talking about her personal feelings as an actor about filming her last scene in the show, not about her feelings about what was happening to Daenerys in the scene. IMHO she was skillful in not directly answering the question but instead refocused it as I noted. You could see it in the hesitation in the way she answered. But who knows.
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