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  1. Yeah I think theres a conspiracy going on. 1) Mace doesn't seem concerned about his son while talking about him 2)Two septas mention Margaery's brother and one shushes the other from speaking 3) The only source for the claim is Aurane Waters who is playing Cersei 4)The men were Lannister men so he could have been pulling a Roose and letting them die to weaken the Lannister regime. We won't know until Winds though.
  2. Lol right. Calling another user on a forum "kid". Cringe....
  3. What does this mean I'm not familiar with this saying
  4. It wasn't really a debate because it was just one guy calling everyone sexist for not agreeing with him but basically his argument was that Cersei raped Robert because Robert would come into her bedchamber will drunk and she would have to give him handjobs and blowjobs so that he wouldn't force himself upon her. Apparently Robert was too drunk to consent and so Cersei raped him, even though he was the one initiating and demanding sex.
  5. Again, all your points have convinced me we are at diametrically opposed worldviews. I see no use in prolonging the conversation. Ciao.
  6. I don't know why the author would bring up how young she is if he doesn't want us to make a judgement on it. And how do you know if she didn't have complications after? Rhaella had children at 13-14, but after that she had numerous miscarriages.
  7. 16 is the age of adulthood, and Ned calls her a child. No such thing as a 'teenager.'
  8. 1) Again, Cersei has no reason to lie about Robert raping her. If she was lying, her scene with Taena serves no purpose. You bringing up other instances where she is unreliable does not change anything. 2) We clearly have different ideas of abuse. Which means this part of the argument is at an impasse. Take this as a concession if you want. Yeah good example. A prostitute so young Ned didn't dare to ask her age. It's pretty simple. Robert is not violent with her because she's young and naive and awestruck by him. Unlike Cersei who disliked Robert from the time be called out Lyanna's name in bed.
  9. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about him losing the joust to Rhaegar willingly.
  10. Cersei has no reason to be unreliable in this scene. I'll quote another person in the thread you showed me here: And yeah we have Renly saying Robert would take lord's daughters to his bed because he took the lord telling him "What is mine is yours" literally in the quote Hugorfonics brought up. We have an example of Robert taking a woman to his bed while drunk, a situation which very likely was not consensual. And I don't mean she said no but she didn't actually want to sleep with him but went along with it because he was the king. Just like Cersei.
  11. It's not a dodge, you saying he only groped her is. "Truth be told, I can scarcely bear for him to touch me, and I have not let him inside me for years. I know other ways to pleasure him, when he leaves his whores long enough to stagger up to my bedchamber. Whatever we do, the king is usually so drunk that he's forgotten it all by the next morning." ...the way Robert would use her when the drink was in him, and she was unable to bring him off with hand or mouth. Those had been the worst nights, lying helpless underneath him as he took his pleasure, stinking of wine and grunting like a boar. Usually he rolled off and went to sleep as soon as it was done, and was snoring before his seed could dry upon her thighs. She was always sore afterward, raw between the legs, her breasts painful from the mauling he would give them. The only time he’d ever made her wet was on their wedding night. Robert had been handsome enough when they first married, tall and strong and powerful, but his hair was black and heavy, thick on his chest and coarse around his sex. The wrong man came back from the Trident, the queen would sometimes think as he was plowing her. In the first few years, when he mounted her more often, she would close her eyes and pretend that he was Rhaegar. She could not pretend that he was Jaime; he was too different, too unfamiliar. Even the smell of him was wrong. For Robert, those nights never happened. Come morning he remembered nothing, or so he would have had her believe. Once, during the first year of their marriage, Cersei had voiced her displeasure the next day. “You hurt me,” she complained. He had the grace to look ashamed. “It was not me, my lady,” he said in a sulky sullen tone, like a child caught stealing apple cakes from the kitchen. “It was the wine. I drink too much wine.” To wash down his admission, he reached for his horn of ale. As he raised it to his mouth, she smashed her own horn in his face, so hard she chipped a tooth. Years later at a feast, she heard him telling a serving wench how he’d cracked the tooth in a mêlée. Well, our marriage was a mêlée, she reflected, so he did not lie. The rest had all been lies, though. He did remember what he did to her at night, she was convinced of that. She could see it in his eyes. He only pretended to forget; it was easier to do that than to face his shame. Deep down Robert Baratheon was a coward.
  12. But why would Barristan have such a high opinion of Rhaegar if he knew he was a cheater?
  13. 1) Rhaella had bite marks and scratches all over her body. Cersei was also being hurt, but she was only sore. 2) She said to Ned while she was putting up an appearance of strength. Could be it was more than that, considering how casually he hits her in front of Ned. It definitely matches up to his character. Like you said he shoved Jaime aside for standing up to him. He threw his helm at Barristan and told him to get put of his sight. He hit Joffrey when he was a child, so hard Stannis thought he killed him. He yelled at his squires. He yelled at Ned and told him to get out of his sight. As for a pattern...we do know he got drunk and had sex with a Florent on Stannis' wedding bed. I doubt she would be into that considering she was still maiden and the shame associated with such an act. Not saying he raped her but he just took her and she acquiesced because he was the king.
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