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  1. The Paper Curl Theory suggest the Pink Letter was written in Castle Black. The available candidates are Team Mel, Team Night's Watch and Team Re-Write. Team Mel has a simple straight-forward motive and only two/three assumptions. Someone like Team Ramsey would have multiple assumptions: Default Argument: Bolton Pink Seal Assumption: Ramsey couldn't find his stamp Default Argument: Blood Ink Assumption: Blood was not available, and he doesn't have to do it Default Argument: Sending parchment with skins from the six spear wives Assumption: He doesn't have to do it Default Argument: Flays his enemies Assumption: He just felt like cutting their heads this time and putting it on the wall Default Argument: Flays his enemies for a slow torturing death Assumption: Threaten Jon for quick death by cutting his heart ... because ... why not? Default Argument: Shouldn't take seven days of battle Assumption: Why not? Default Argument: No spiky signature Assumption: It was re-written! I don't know ... we can go on & on. But that would be any other Pink Letter thread. After Jon flattens and reads it, he passes it to Tormund. Tormund passes it back to Jon. Jon lays it on the table. Nothing was noted about curling up again. Even when Jon re-read it at Shieldhall, no mentions of curl. It has been inconsistent of other parchments that curled up in other chapters ... suggesting the Pink Letter stayed flat after Jon flatten it. This means it never got wet, it never had to travel through miles and miles of elements. Plus, GRRM gives us this line IMMEDIATELY after the Pink Letter: "Snow (as in snowstorm)?" said Tormund Giantsbane. "You look like your father's bloody head just rolled out o' that paper." Whether you believe this is an intentional foreshadowing clue or not ... its up to you. Its funny because this statement is technically a lie & a trick since R+L=J makes it [Jon's uncle Ned's] bloody head rolling out o' that paper. Well it was a "try this at home" type of experiment. If you want to be precise, we would need access to sheep skin, pink wax, a raven and a snowstorm on hand. It is not stuff we usually have at home, but if you do have all of these ... you are welcome to try it and let us know how it goes.
  2. Crazy Map Guy here. I got all jelly that many candidates for the Pink Letter's author have had their arguments presented ... but my girl Mel never got any real shout outs. I listed parts of my Mel theory IN one of the hundred pages IN one of the hundred threads in regards to the Pink Letter ... but Mel will get the front page here. So enjoy! THE SHORT STORY: Melisandre wrote the Pink Letter to stop Jon from going to Hardhome because she believed it was a lost cause & Jon will die there. If Jon never returned from Hardhome, Mel would not know what to do about her R'hllor visions of Jon. Even though Mel's prank succeeded in stopping Jon from going to Hardhome, she also expected Jon to come speak to her after he received the letter. But then Jon does something stupid and gets himself killed. First, Jon should have gone to Melisandre and talk to her about this letter. The second important thing Jon should of done after receiving news that Arya is no longer with the Boltons is to FIND ARYA! ... NOT go pick a fight with the Boltons. Jon Snow truly knew nothing. Essentially Mel's Prank is one of those pranks you pull on a friend, but then they do something unexpectedly stupid & almost get themselves killed. I'm sure we have all been there before in our real lives. Hopefully no one died like Jon did in the books. So in summary, everything in the Pink Letter is FALSE. Mel being the author has a simple motive and we only need TWO assumptions: Stannis at Crofter's Village sending a raven to update Melisandre at Castle Black about the arrival of Arya Stark (reasonable assumption) Stannis, Mel and Jon have mistaken the name "Reek" as Arya's nickname (case explained further below) In TWOW, I predict that we will get the only POV available at the Wall: Melisandre ... where she panics and we hear her confess to the prank in her thoughts. She'll probably sacrifice Monster (Craster/Gilly's son) to revive Jon Snow through R'hllor. In ADOS, I believe Jon's baby swap, Mel's prank & Jon's first resurrection would accidentally prevent the world from annihilation. But that theory is for another time ... just note that Jon has love/hate relationships with redheaded women kissed by fire. THE LONG STORY: Jon talks to Selyse about going to Hardhome. Selyse approves the ranging thinking Jon will die and the Nights Watch will get another commander. Jon: "I will not ask my men to do what I would not do myself. I mean to lead the ranging [to Hardhome]." "How bold of you," said the queen. "We approve. Afterward some bard will make a stirring song about you, no doubt, and we shall have a more prudent lord commander." {Jon XIII ADWD} After Jon leaves the room, Mel tries to convince Jon to not go. "Selyse has the right of this, Lord Snow. Let them die. You cannot save them. Your ships are lost—" "Six remain. More than half the fleet." "Your ships are lost. All of them. Not a man shall return. I have seen that in my fires." "Your fires have been known to lie." "I have made mistakes, I have admitted as much, but—" "A grey girl on a dying horse. Daggers in the dark. A promised prince, born in smoke and salt. It seems to me that you make nothing but mistakes, my lady. Where is Stannis? What of Rattleshirt and his spearwives? Where is my sister?" "All your questions shall be answered. Look to the skies, Lord Snow. And when you have your answers, send to me. Winter is almost upon us now. I am your only hope." "A fool's hope." Jon turned and left her. {Jon XIII ADWD} So Mel writes a fake letter to Jon, answering Jon's questions of "Where is Stannis? What of Rattleshirt and his spearwives? Where is my sister?" and uses f-Ramsay to provoke Jon to face South, instead of facing North to Hardhome & his fruitless death. Aside from trying to save Jon from Hardhome, Mel HATES the fact that she has to chase Jon ... like teenagers playing their foolish lovers' games and hoping their crush would text them first. Mel's thoughts: It was Jon Snow she needed, not fried bread and bacon, but it was no use sending Devan to the lord commander. He would not come to her summons. Snow still chose to dwell behind the armory, in a pair of modest rooms previously occupied by the Watch's late blacksmith. Perhaps he did not think himself worthy of the King's Tower, or perhaps he did not care. That was his mistake, the false humility of youth that is itself a sort of pride. It was never wise for a ruler to eschew the trappings of power, for power itself flows in no small measure from such trappings. The boy was not entirely naive, however. He knew better than to come to Melisandre's chambers like a supplicant, insisting she come to him instead should she have need of words with him. And oft as not, when she did come, he would keep her waiting or refuse to see her. That much, at least, was shrewd. {Melisandre I ADWD} Mel's second reason to write the Pink Letter is to make Jon come to her. Before the Pink Letter, she got excited when Jon engages the conversation first ... like your boy/girl crush texting you first. Jon: Only then did [Jon] seem to notice Melisandre. "My lady. Walk with me, if you would." Mel: AT LAST. "If it please the lord commander." {Melisandre I ADWD} Let's review the Pink Letter for the 9,999th time in {Jon XIII ADWD}: "Tell his red whore" is Mel trying to hide herself as the writer, but also trying to get Jon to come to see her again. The Paper Curl Theory: You guys ready for something ground-breaking that was never mentioned for 8 years since 2011 ADWD? One of our biggest clues of foreshadowing that GRRM wrote and that we over-looked are the paragraphs just before the letter, and just after the letter. Just before: Bastard, was the only word written outside the scroll. No Lord Snow or Jon Snow or Lord Commander. Simply Bastard. And the letter was sealed with a smear of hard pink wax. "You were right to come at once," Jon said. You were right to be afraid. He cracked the seal, flattened the parchment, and read. Just after: "SNOW?" said Tormund Giantsbane. "You look like your father's bloody head just rolled out o' that paper." Unrolling a dry parchment, that was rolled recently can still remain flat Unrolling a dried parchment ... after being exposed to moisture would keep curling Jon flattens the Pink Letter, but the Pink Letter NEVER curled back. This parchment allegedly came from a raven in a SNOW storm. The parchment would be wet. Even if it dried up over time, it will maintain its curl. This means the Pink Letter was written LOCALLY at Castle Black, away from moisture. "When he was done, Tormund whistled. "Har. That's buggered, and no mistake. What was that about Mance? Has him in a cage, does he? How, when hundreds saw your red witch burn the man?" That was Rattleshirt, Jon almost said. That was sorcery. A glamor, she called it. "Melisandre … look to the skies, she said." He set the letter down. "A raven in a storm. She saw this coming." When you have your answers, send to me." "He sat the letter down" BUT Jon doesn't notice that the parchment does not curl up. A few paragraphs before the Pink Letter, GRRM wrote this: "He has a little red cock to go with all that red hair, that's what he has. Raymund Redbeard and his sons died at Long Lake, thanks to your bloody Starks and the Drunken Giant. Not the little brother. Ever wonder why they called him the Red Raven?" Tormund's mouth split in a gap-toothed grin. "First to fly the battle, he was. 'Twas a song about it, after. The singer had to find a rhyme for craven, so …" He wiped his nose. "If your queen's knights want those girls o' his, they're welcome to them." "A raven in the storm. She saw this coming" But GRRM gave us this formula raven<=>craven "A [craven] in the storm. [Mel] saw this coming" Mel was too craven or too cowardly to come to Jon with her true intentions. Also: When you have your answers, send to me Jon is thinking about Mel telling him to come to her when he gets his answer. Jon knows he should go Selyse first and then Mel ... but he made a public announcement & was assassinated before he had a chance to see Mel. "I will send for ale," Jon said, distracted. Melisandre was gone, he realized, and so were the queen's knights. I should have gone to Selyse first. She has the right to know her lord is dead. "You must excuse me. I'll leave you to get them drunk." [...] Horse and Rory fell in beside Jon as he left the Shieldhall. I should talk with Melisandre after I see the queen, he thought. If she could see a raven in a storm, she can find Ramsay Snow for me. Then he heard the shouting … and a roar so loud it seemed to shake the Wall. "That come from Hardin's Tower, m'lord," Horse reported. He might have said more, but the scream cut him off. [... Jon's assassination] Anyways back to the curious cases of curling parchments ... The Paper Curl Theory ... a list of examples of GRRM talking about flat paper and rolled paper: {Jon I ADWD} Within the solar the air was warm. Lady Melisandre was seated near the fire, her ruby glimmering against the pale skin of her throat. Ygritte had been kissed by fire; the red priestess was fire, and her hair was blood and flame. Stannis stood behind the rough-hewn table where the Old Bear had once been wont to sit and take his meals. Covering the table was a large map of the north, painted on a ragged piece of hide. A tallow candle weighed down one end of it, a steel gauntlet the other. [...] The king wore lambswool breeches and a quilted doublet, yet somehow he looked as stiff and uncomfortable as if he had been clad in plate and mail. His skin was pale leather, his beard cropped so short that it might have been painted on. A fringe about his temples was all that remained of his black hair. In his hand was a parchment with a broken seal of dark green wax. Jon took a knee. The king frowned at him, and rattled the parchment angrily. "Rise. Tell me, who is Lyanna Mormont?" [...] "A thousand leagues away and deaf to our need," Jon replied. "I have not forgotten that, my lady. Nor will I. But my father's bannermen have wives and children to protect, and smallfolk who will die should they choose wrongly. His Grace asks much of them. Give them time, and you will have your answers." "Answers such as this?" Stannis crushed Lyanna's letter in his fist. Lyanna Mormont's parchment was already opened. Stannis had to rattle the parchment loose to re-read it. Good start for the Paper Curl Theory! {Jon III ADWD} Jon has Aemon's letter to King Tommen. Because it was freshly written for Jon to sign, this letter never curled up. {Jon IV ADWD} Where to begin? Jon moved to the map. Candles had been placed at its corners to keep the hide from rolling up. {Jon VI ADWD} Clydas thrust the parchment forward. It was tightly rolled and sealed, with a button of hard pink wax. Only the Dreadfort uses pink sealing wax. Jon ripped off his gauntlet, took the letter, cracked the seal. When he saw the signature, he forgot the battering Rattleshirt had given him. Ramsay Bolton, Lord of the Hornwood, it read, in a huge, spiky hand. The brown ink came away in flakes when Jon brushed it with his thumb. Beneath Bolton's signature, Lord Dustin, Lady Cerwyn, and four Ryswells had appended their own marks and seals. A cruder hand had drawn the giant of House Umber. "Might we know what it says, my lord?" asked Iron Emmett. Jon saw no reason not to tell him. "Moat Cailin is taken. The flayed corpses of the ironmen have been nailed to posts along the kingsroad. Roose Bolton summons all leal lords to Barrowton, to affirm their loyalty to the Iron Throne and celebrate his son's wedding to …" His heart seemed to stop for a moment. No, that is not possible. She died in King's Landing, with Father. A lot of clues here suggest that Ramsay is not the author of the Pink Letter. But I won't discuss it here in the OP. All I want to know is if the letter about f-Arya curls up or not. [...] That did not make them easier to say. His fingers closed around the parchment. Would that they could crush Ramsay Bolton's throat as easily Damn you GRRM, I just can't say now. {Jon VII ADWD} Clydas had come and gone, Jon noted as he was hanging his cloak on the peg beside the door. A letter had been left on the table in his solar. Eastwatch or the Shadow Tower, he assumed at first glance. But the wax was gold, not black. The seal showed a stag's head within a flaming heart. Stannis. Jon cracked the hardened wax, flattened the roll of parchment, read. A maester's hand, but the king's words. Ok GRRM, show us the paper roll clue ... [letter content] The moment Jon set the letter aside, the parchment curled up again, as if eager to protect its secrets. He was not at all sure how he felt about what he had just read. Battles had been fought at Winterfell before, but never one without a Stark on one side or the other. "The castle is a shell," he said, "not Winterfell, but the ghost of Winterfell." It was painful just to think of it, much less say the words aloud. And still … AT LAST!!! Paper Curl Theory working as attended, AND protecting secrets! Let's keep rolling! {Jon X ADWD} Jon was washing the roast down with a sip of mulled wine when Clydas appeared at his elbow. "A bird," he announced, and slipped a parchment into Jon's hand. The note was sealed with a dot of hard black wax. Eastwatch, Jon knew, even before he broke the seal. The letter had been written by Maester Harmune; Cotter Pyke could neither read nor write. But the words were Pyke's, set down as he had spoken them, blunt and to the point. Calm seas today. Eleven ships set sail for Hardhome on the morning tide. Three Braavosi, four Lyseni, four of ours. Two of the Lyseni barely seaworthy. We may drown more wildlings than we save. Your command. Twenty ravens aboard, and Maester Harmune. Will send reports. I command from Talon, Tattersalt second on Blackbird, Ser Glendon holds Eastwatch. GRRM was trying to be tricky. He never explicit mentioned the ACTIONS of how Jon cracked the seal, flattened the parchment, and read ... Jon knew, even before he broke the seal. [Jon] rolled the parchment up and slipped it into his belt. GRRM being sneaky about the parchment and if it naturally curled or not. At least GRRM acknowledged the rolling, even though we are not given a conclusion. {Jon XII ADWD} Clydas entered pink and blinking, the parchment clutched in one soft hand. "Beg pardon, Lord Commander. I know you must be weary, but I thought you would want to see this at once." "You did well." Jon read: [Contents of the letter from Cotter Pyke] No mentions of the actions again. Jon just opened it without thinking. "Is it grievous, my lord?" asked Clydas. "Grievous enough." Dead things in the wood. Dead things in the water. Six ships left, of the eleven that set sail. Jon Snow rolled up the parchment, frowning. Night falls, he thought, and now my war begins. Again, GRRM made Jon roll up the parchment. Can't tell if it was natural or not, but it does get a shout out again. Other mentions of rolling paper: {Jaime I ADWD} "If I gave you sufficient men, they would be doing the subduing, not you. In which case I should reward myself." Jaime let the map roll up again. "I'll keep this if I might." {Daenerys VII ADWD} Stone-faced, the stocky lad bent, unlaced his boot, and drew a yellowed parchment from a hidden flap within. "This is your gift? A scrap of writing?" Daario snatched the parchment out of the Dornishman's hands and unrolled it, squinting at the seals and signatures. "Very pretty, all the gold and ribbons, but I do not read your Westerosi scratchings." "Bring it to the queen," Ser Barristan commanded. "Now." Dany could feel the anger in the hall. "I am only a young girl, and young girls must have their gifts," she said lightly. "Daario, please, you must not tease me. Give it here." The parchment was written in the Common Tongue. The queen unrolled it slowly, studying the seals and signatures. When she saw the name Ser Willem Darry, her heart beat a little faster. She read it over once, and then again. [...] "And bought you too, I do not doubt." He did not trouble to deny it. Dany unrolled the parchment and examined it again. Braavos. This was done in Braavos, while we were living in the house with the red door. Why did that make her feel so strange? {Theon I ADWD} "I see you all want blood," the Lord of the Dreadfort said. Maester Rhodry stood beside him, a raven on his arm. The bird's black plumage shone like coal oil in the torchlight. Wet, Theon realized. And in his lordship's hand, a parchment. That will be wet as well. Dark wings, dark words. "Rather than use our swords upon each other, you might try them on Lord Stannis." Lord Bolton unrolled the parchment. Wet parchment, but it was already opened earlier by Roose, since he already knew what he wanted to say: "I see you all want blood [...] Rather than use our swords upon each other, you might try them on Lord Stannis.". To re-read it, Roose had to unroll it. I don't know about you guys, but the many curious cases of curled parchments seems important to GRRM to overlook. Now back the Pink Letter: Smoke screens: While the boy was gone, Melisandre washed herself and changed her robes. Her sleeves were full of hidden pockets, and she checked them carefully as she did every morning to make certain all her powders were in place. Powders to turn fire green or blue or silver, powders to make a flame roar and hiss and leap up higher than a man is tall, powders to make smoke. A smoke for truth, a smoke for lust, a smoke for fear, and the thick black smoke that could kill a man outright. The red priestess armed herself with a pinch of each of them. The carved chest that she had brought across the narrow sea was more than three-quarters empty now. And while Melisandre had the knowledge to make more powders, she lacked many rare ingredients. My spells should suffice. She was stronger at the Wall, stronger even than in Asshai. Her every word and gesture was more potent, and she could do things that she had never done before. Such shadows as I bring forth here will be terrible, and no creature of the dark will stand before them. With such sorceries at her command, she should soon have no more need of the feeble tricks of alchemists and pyromancers. (Melisandre I ADWD} Her every word and gesture was more potent Mel's words are her tricks A smoke for truth: Mel already knew about the secret mission of Mance & the six spear wife Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell. A smoke for lust: Mel knows Jon has a thing for Val I want his wildling princess. Also, Mel's people refer Val as a wildling princess. A smoke for fear: Mel knows Jon fears getting the NW openly involved with Westerosi affairs Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. A thick black smoke that could kill a man outright: a death threat Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it. Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell Boltons flay and spike bodies. The author of the Pink Letter shouldn't be a Bolton. Jon saw no reason not to tell him. "Moat Cailin is taken. The flayed corpses of the ironmen have been nailed to posts along the kingsroad. {Jon VI ADWD} If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. Mance would rather die than be caught again. Even if Mance is caught, he would never give up that information because Jon holds his son hostage (technically) "Our false king has a prickly manner," Melisandre told Jon Snow, "but he will not betray you. We hold his son, remember. And he owes you his very life." (Mance is also in the room) {Melisandre I ADWD} The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell. Where are the skins that would have been included with this letter? Where is the blood ink? Like Tormund says: "Might be all a skin o' lies." Tormund scratched under his beard. "If I had me a nice goose quill and a pot o' maester's ink, I could write down that me member was long and thick as me arm, wouldn't make it so." {Jon XIII ADWD} And the letter was sealed with a smear of hard pink wax Pink wax = wax with little drops of blood [...] the Boltons of the Dreadfort went into battle beneath pink banners spattered with little drops of blood. It only stood to reason that they would use pink sealing wax as well. {Wayward Bride ADWD} It was never truly dark in Melisandre's chambers. Three tallow candles burned upon her windowsill to keep the terrors of the night at bay. Four more flickered beside her bed, two to either side. In the hearth a fire was kept burning day and night. The first lesson those who would serve her had to learn was that the fire must never, ever be allowed to go out. {Melisandre I ADWD} Mel has seven candles and a fireplace that burnt day & night. Tallow candles wax mixed with drops of blood can make pink wax. In the English dictionary, if we use the word "tallow" as a VERB, it means "to smear" And I want my Reek. My two assumptions on this Mel theory: Stannis sent a raven to Selyse/Mel updating them that they retrieved Arya Stark and she is on the way to Castle Black (reasonable assumption) Name confusion of Reek At this point, I don't know if Stannis won the Battle of Winterfell or not ... but it doesn't matter for the Pink Letter. I personally think Stannis won or will win the Battle of Winterfell, and it won't take seven days. How does Stannis know Reek = Theon? He doesn't. TWOW Sample Spoilers: A basic THEME for the sample chapter is name identification and confusion. If you don't believe me, re-read Theon TWOW. TWOW Sample Spoilers, a list of examples: Sorry that took so long, but I hope you got my point of the chapter's theme: name identification and name confusion. The biggest foreshadowing of "name confusion" theme from the TWOW sample chapter are the messenger ravens (like the one Stannis sent to Castle Black to inform them of Arya Stark's arrival) repeating Theon's name three times. Theon smiled "They know my name". BUT there was NO name confusion in "He wants his bride back. He wants his Reek." OR was there? When Jon sees the Pink Letter, he sees: [...] I will have my bride back. [...] I want my bride back. [...] And I want my Reek. [...] Jon never asked who Reek was. Perhaps he fell for the name confusion like Stannis did? Like Mel did? According to their subconscious ... did Stannis, Mel and Jon assumed "Reek" was the nickname Ramsay gave to aRya "jEynE" starK? This was what Jon was thinking immediately after reading the Pink Letter: Jon flexed the fingers of his sword hand. The Night's Watch takes no part. He closed his fist and opened it again. What you propose is nothing less than treason. He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon's breathless laughter. Of Sansa, brushing out Lady's coat and singing to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird's nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … ... repeated three times Also: "He's to marry Arya Stark. My little sister." Jon could almost see her in that moment, long-faced and gawky, all knobby knees and sharp elbows, with her dirty face and tangled hair. They would wash the one and comb the other, he did not doubt, but he could not imagine Arya in a wedding gown, nor Ramsay Bolton's bed. No matter how afraid she is, she will not show it. If he tries to lay a hand on her, she'll fight him. {Jon VI ADWD} Arya ... tangled hair like a bird's nest with her dirty face ... is this Jon thinking about Arya's bad hygiene? Is Jon thinking about how Arya may stink to other people? Is Jon thinking about how Arya reeks? Off topic: Ned Stark lifts the siege at Storm's End ... how poetic would it be for Stannis Baratheon to take back Winterfell for the North? I feel that Stannis will win or already won the Battle of Winterfell by the time of Mel's Pink Letter prank. Even GRRM has given Stannis some hope: https://winteriscoming.net/2015/08/26/did-george-r-r-martin-just-let-a-spoiler-slip-about-the-pink-letter/ Bit by bit, Stannis has been gaining little advantages here and there that is useful for a Trojan Horse/Ocean's Eleven maneuver. My biggest clue: something in HBO GoT. I won't go into details about the show, but in ~2010, GRRM was writing ADWD and a certain episode script for GoT Season One. The Battle of Whispering Woods, a battle that happened off screen in AGOT (1996) AND GoT (2011), was written differently by GRRM for HBO. The only reason why I think GRRM wrote the off-screen battle differently is to foreshadow Stannis' tactics for Winterfell in ADWD/TWOW. No spoilers ... if you don't know the difference, just re-watch and re-read. Besides, Stannis is destined to die fighting for R'hllor, and not some battle where he has no major personal connection to. Stannis needs a gnarly magical death too like Renly's. I believe after Stannis takes Winterfell from the Boltons ... the Others arrive and besiege Winterfell. It will be the Siege of Storm's End all over again for Stannis. Eventually, Stannis will have a magical death by the Others, just like Renly dying magically to R'hllor. Final thoughts: [...] and Jon could not help but wonder whether the red woman had lied of a purpose. Is she playing her own game? {Jon X ADWD} Hey Jon, Mel just messed with you and this may sound crazy ... but even with her Prank Letter, you should still call her & maybe ... you won't get killed! Update: MEL WROTE THE PINK LETTER TO STOP JON FROM GOING TO HARDHOME - EXTENDED VERSION can be found on Post # 16 of this thread
  3. Mel wrote the Pink Letter to stop Jon from going to Hardhome - Extended Version I thought having the first two assumptions is enough to make my case for Team Mel. But I also have a third assumption which I can prove, and it would help Team Mel out even more. I just didn't want to write it in the OP because it was so long already. Anyways enjoy the extended version: Assumption # 3 - Melisandre sends out Devan Seaworth to falsely fetch food ... but her main intentions for Devan is to stalk & spy on Jon Snow for information Off topic theory: Melisandre is a fire wight just like Beric Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart. She doesn't really eat, doesn't really sleep, doesn't feel cold, may be older than she appears and chugs poison like a champ. Mel was probably resurrected by R'hllor in the past, and that was why she became a devoted red priestess. Back to topic: Mel doesn't need to eat, but she send Devan to fetch food to conceal this secret glamour. "Does my lady wish to break her fast?" asked Devan. Food. Yes, I should eat. Some days she forgot. R'hllor provided her with all the nourishment her body needed, but that was something best concealed from mortal men. It was Jon Snow she needed, not fried bread and bacon, but it was no use sending Devan to the lord commander. He would not come to her summons. [...] [...] "I will have nettle tea, a boiled egg, and bread with butter. Fresh bread, if you please, not fried. You may find the wildling as well. Tell him that I must speak with him." [Devan:] "Rattleshirt, my lady?" "And quickly." {Melisandre I ADWD} When Mel send Devan to fetch food, she occasionally sends him to summon people, or to spy on them. "The bones protect you," she reminded [f-Rattleshirt]. "The black brothers do not love you. Devan tells me that only yesterday you had words with some of them over supper." "A few. I was eating bean-and-bacon soup whilst Bowen Marsh was going on about the high ground. The Old Pomegranate thought that I was SPYING on him and announced that he would not suffer murderers listening to their councils. I told him that if that was true, maybe they shouldn't have them by the fire. Bowen turned red and made some choking sounds, but that was as far as it went." The wildling sat on the edge of the window, slid his dagger from its sheath. "If some crow wants to slip a knife between my ribs whilst I'm spooning up some supper, he's welcome to try. Hobb's gruel would taste better with a drop of blood to spice it." {Melisandre I ADWD} I like how Mel admitted that Devan was observing f-Rattleshirt without being noticed. I also like how in the next paragraph, GRRM used the word "spying". Why would Devan be a good spy for Mel? These are her thoughts about Devan: "Yes, my lady." The boy poured her a cup of water from the stone jug by the window and brought it to her. "Thank you." Melisandre took a sip, swallowed, and gave the boy a smile. That made him blush. The boy was half in love with her, she knew. He fears me, he wants me, and he worships me. [...] Devan was quick and smart and able too, which was more than could be said about most of her attendants. [...] {Melisandre I ADWD} As a spy for Mel, Ghost sniffed out something odd about Devan By the time they returned to the surface, the shadows of the afternoon were growing long. Clouds streaked the sky like tattered banners, grey and white and torn. The yard outside the armory was empty, but inside Jon found the king's squire awaiting him. Devan was a skinny lad of some twelve years, brown of hair and eye. They found him frozen by the forge, hardly daring to move as Ghost sniffed him up and down. "He won't hurt you," Jon said, but the boy flinched at the sound of his voice, and that sudden motion made the direwolf bare his teeth. "No!" Jon said. "Ghost, leave him be. Away." The wolf slunk back to his ox bone, silence on four feet. Devan looked as pale as Ghost, his face damp with perspiration. "M-my lord. His Grace c-commands your presence." The boy was clad in Baratheon gold and black, with the flaming heart of a queen's man sewn above his own. {Jon IV ADWD} But what does this all mean? Well let's review the contents of the Pink Letter again: Theses are the things that Jon said aloud or someone talking to Jon aloud, surrounded by food or drinks ... with Devan hearing and observing: The men will love that. "If we must. We'll cut each man's portion by a quarter." If my brothers are complaining of me now, what will they say when they're eating snow and acorn paste? {Jon IV ADWD, in the food storeroom, just before Ghost sniffs up Devan} Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it. --------------------- "He did. Lightbringer was brighter than I'd ever seen it. As bright as the sun." Jon raised his cup. "To Stannis Baratheon and his magic sword." The wine was bitter in his mouth. {Jon III ADWD, drinking wine with Clydas in the rookery} I have his magic sword. --------------------- He broke his fast in the cellar with his officers. Fried bread, fried eggs, blood sausages, and barley porridge made up the meal, washed down with thin yellow beer. As they ate they went over the preparations yet again. "All is in readiness," Bowen Marsh assured him. "If the wildlings uphold the terms of the bargain, all will go as you've commanded." And if not, it may turn to blood and carnage. "Remember," Jon said, "Tormund's people are hungry, cold, and fearful. Some of them hate us as much as some of you hate them. We are dancing on rotten ice here, them and us. One crack, and we all drown. If blood should be shed today, it had best not be one of us who strikes the first blow, or I swear by the old gods and the new that I will have the head of the man who strikes it." {Jon XII ADWD, at the cellar} Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. --------------------- Nearer the door, the Queen's Hand was attacking a brace of capons, sucking the meat off the bones and washing down each bite with ale. When he espied Jon Snow, Axell Florent tossed a bone aside, wiped his mouth with the back of his hand, and sauntered over. With his bowed legs, barrel chest, and prominent ears, he presented a comical appearance, but Jon knew better than to laugh at him. He was an uncle to Queen Selyse and had been among the first to follow her in accepting Melisandre's red god. If he is not a kinslayer, he is the next best thing. Axell Florent's brother had been burned by Melisandre, Maester Aemon had informed him, yet Ser Axell had done little and less to stop it. What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his own brother being burned alive? "Nestoris," said Ser Axell, "and the lord commander. Might I join you?" He lowered himself to the bench before they could reply. "Lord Snow, if I may ask … this wildling princess His Grace King Stannis wrote of … where might she be, my lord?" Long leagues from here, Jon thought. If the gods are good, by now she has found Tormund Giantsbane. "Val is the younger sister of Dalla, who was Mance Rayder's wife and mother to his son. King Stannis took Val and the child captive after Dalla died in childbed, but she is no princess, not as you mean it." {Jon IX ADWD, at the feasthall} I want his wildling princess. --------------------- "Be wary o' that lot, Jon Snow," Tormund warned him. "A savage folk. The men are bad, the women worse." He took a SKIN off his saddle and offered it up to Jon. "Here. This will make them seem less fearsome, might be. And warm you for the night. No, go on, it's yours to keep. Drink deep." {Jon XII} The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell. --------------------- When Mel & Jon are in the same room ... note what was said aloud & what can be observed: "Not me. I'm done with those bloody fools." Rattleshirt tapped the ruby on his wrist. "Ask your red witch, bastard." Melisandre spoke softly in a strange tongue. The ruby at her throat throbbed slowly, and Jon saw that the smaller stone on Rattleshirt's wrist was brightening and darkening as well. "So long as he wears the gem he is bound to me, blood and soul," the red priestess said. "This man will serve you faithfully. The flames do not lie, Lord Snow." {Jon IV} I want his daughter and his red witch. --------------------- "Our false king has a prickly manner," Melisandre told Jon Snow, "but he will not betray you. We hold his son, remember. And he owes you his very life." {Melisandre I ADWD, talking about Mance} Your false king is dead, bastard. (Stannis) --------------------- "Castle Black needs no useless mouths," Jon agreed. "I am sending Gilly south on the next ship out of Eastwatch." Melisandre touched the ruby at her neck. "Gilly is giving suck to Dalla's son as well as her own. It seems cruel of you to part our little prince from his milk brother, my lord." {Jon I ADWD} I want his little prince. --------------------- And finally the easy one: Ser Godry gave a pull on the rope. The King-Beyond-the-Wall had no choice but to stumble after him, the rope choking off his words. When he lost his feet, Godry dragged him the rest of the way. Mance was bloody when the queen's men half-shoved, half-carried him to the CAGE. A dozen men-at-arms heaved together to hoist him into the air. Lady Melisandre watched him rise. "FREE FOLK! Here stands your king of lies. And here is the horn he promised would bring down the Wall." Two queen's men brought forth the Horn of Joramun, black and banded with old gold, eight feet long from end to end. Runes were carved into the golden bands, the writing of the First Men. Joramun had died thousands of years ago, but Mance had found his grave beneath a glacier, high up in the Frostfangs. And Joramun blew the Horn of Winter, and woke giants from the earth. Ygritte had told Jon that Mance never found the horn. She lied, or else Mance kept it secret even from his own. {Jon III ADWD} I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. --------------------- Melisandre's thoughts: Melisandre took that as a sign and dismissed her own guard as well. They crossed the yard together, just the two of them. The snow fell all around them. She walked as close to Jon Snow as she dared, close enough to feel the mistrust pouring off him like a black fog. He does not love me, will never love me, but he will make use of me. Well and good. Melisandre had danced the same dance with Stannis Baratheon, back in the beginning. In truth, the young lord commander and her king had more in common than either one would ever be willing to admit. Stannis had been a younger son living in the shadow of his elder brother, just as Jon Snow, bastard-born, had always been eclipsed by his TRUEBORN sibling, the fallen hero men had called the Young Wolf. Both men were unbelievers by nature, mistrustful, suspicious. The only gods they truly worshiped were honor and duty. {Melisandre I ADWD} Trueborn Lord of Winterfell. --------------------- Sorry that took so long. So in conclusion, the vocabulary of the Pink Letter can be found in Melisandre's thoughts, when Melisandre & Jon are in the same room, or when Devan is spying on Jon (surrounded by food or drinks) for Melisandre. Team Mel!! Off topic: I love the very last quote about the similarity between Jon and Stannis.
  4. Mel's plan was to have Jon come to her with the Pink Letter. Then Mel says its a fake since she received a letter from Stannis informing them that Winterfell was successfully taken and Arya Stark is on her way to Castle Black. Like my first assumption, Mel does have an authentic letter from Stannis. After Mel & Jon review the Pink Letter and all the discrepancies, they come to a conclusion that the Pink Letter is fake and written by one the Night's Watch brothers ... who dislike Jon and the Queen's people. Now since Arya is on her way up, Jon stays at Castle Black to wait for her AND investigate into the NW traitors ... the "daggers in the dark." Jon doesn't go to Hardhome anymore. Jon: "You were right about your fire visions my lady ... my sister, the daggers in the dark ... I will come to you when I need help" Mel: "I thought you knew nothing Lord Snow, but I was wrong." Jon's thoughts: At last! I do know something! Mel's thoughts: Haha sucker! Alright everyone, its time for elementary science class ... everyone take out 3 pieces of paper, scotch tape, a water spray bottle, and your safety glasses. We are going to test the Paper Curl Theory. For those who want to nerd out since it has been 8 years since 2011 ADWD and got nothing better to do ... write the contents of the Pink Letter onto the 3 pieces of paper and substitute the scotch tape for pink wax. Lay Paper#1 flat. Roll Paper#2 and apply scotch tape. Put on your safety glasses, roll Paper#3, apply scotch tape and spray water until it is fully wet. Let it dry. You can accelerate the drying by adding heat. After a few minutes, Paper#1 remains flat. Let's assume it took no more than a hour for the Pink Letter to transfer from Mel's hands to Jon's hand. After a hour in a dry environment, slice open the scotch tape, nonchalantly flatten the paper and pretend to read it. Then lay it on the table. Paper#2 will still maintain ~10% curl, but you can still read the contents off the table. After wet Paper#3 fully dries, slice open the scotch tape, try to nonchalantly flatten the paper and pretend to read it. Then lay it on the table. The moment [we] set the letter aside, the parchment curled up again, as if eager to protect its secrets. Everyone okay after the experiment? No one got any paper cuts? That's cool, to each their own. I also have one more part for Team Mel that I didn't include in the OP because it would have made it too long, and what I had was already long & convincing enough (at least to me). Assumption # 3 - Melisandre is a fire wight and doesn't eat, but she sends out Devan Seaworth to falsely fetch food ... but her main intentions for Devan is to stalk & spy on Jon Snow for information. .....I was going type it now. But i realized it was really long and I gtg. I'll type it up later. But here are some samples for Devan, the spy: By the time they returned to the surface, the shadows of the afternoon were growing long. Clouds streaked the sky like tattered banners, grey and white and torn. The yard outside the armory was empty, but inside Jon found the king's squire awaiting him. Devan was a skinny lad of some twelve years, brown of hair and eye. They found him frozen by the forge, hardly daring to move as Ghost sniffed him up and down. "He won't hurt you," Jon said, but the boy flinched at the sound of his voice, and that sudden motion made the direwolf bare his teeth. "No!" Jon said. "Ghost, leave him be. Away." The wolf slunk back to his ox bone, silence on four feet. Devan looked as pale as Ghost, his face damp with perspiration. "M-my lord. His Grace c-commands your presence." The boy was clad in Baratheon gold and black, with the flaming heart of a queen's man sewn above his own. {Jon IV ADWD} "Does my lady wish to break her fast?" asked Devan. Food. Yes, I should eat. Some days she forgot. R'hllor provided her with all the nourishment her body needed, but that was something best concealed from mortal men. It was Jon Snow she needed, not fried bread and bacon, but it was no use sending Devan to the lord commander. He would not come to her summons. [...] [...] "The bones protect you," she reminded [Mance]. "The black brothers do not love you. Devan tells me that only yesterday you had words with some of them over supper." {Melisandre I ADWD}
  5. Oh I get it ... Jon never thought about it in his POV thoughts because Jon has a split personality disorder. When he is awake, he is Jon Snow ... but when he sleeps, he doesn't actually sleep, but turns into his mirrored twin Jonny Blaze ... who sneaks out of Castle Black with other potential turncoats every night to start a fight club to relieve themselves of the everyday duties of the Night's Watch. Posing as Ramsay Bolton, Jonny Blaze writes the Pink Letter to Jon Snow to provoke himself to betray his NW vows publicly and reclaim Winterfell: his actual true subconscious desires. Jonny Blaze/Jon Snow and his fight club would then wreak havoc on the Boltons in the North through anarchy and terrorism. Ghost plays along with the split personality too and becomes Rider ... a demon direwolf from hell that can breathe fire. ... almost sounds like something GRRM would write. Well it could of been any king with their heads or skulls catching fire ... maybe Viserys from the past or Tommen in the future. In case you guys missed it in the OP: After Jon leaves [Selyse's] room, Mel tries to convince Jon to not go [to Hardhome]. Mel: "Selyse has the right of this, Lord Snow. Let [the NW/wildlings at Hardhome] die. You cannot save them. Your ships are lost—" Jon: "Six remain. More than half the fleet." Mel: "Your ships are lost. All of them. Not a man shall return. I have seen that in my fires." Jon: "Your fires have been known to lie." Mel: "I have made mistakes, I have admitted as much, but—" Jon: "A grey girl on a dying horse. Daggers in the dark. A promised prince, born in smoke and salt. It seems to me that you make nothing but mistakes, my lady. Where is Stannis? What of Rattleshirt and his spearwives? Where is my sister?" Mel: "All your questions shall be answered. Look to the skies, Lord Snow. And when you have your answers, send to me. Winter is almost upon us now. I am your only hope." Jon: "A fool's hope." Jon turned and left her. {Jon XIII ADWD} "A fool's hope." Jon turned and LEFT HER. Mel gets burned by Jon. I didn't forget ... the underdog Team Mel all the way!!!! Team Mel is still Team Mel. By the time TWOW comes around, we will find out if its Team Ramsay, Team Stannis, Team Mance, Team Mel or Team Someone Else. Only one team can be the winner and the rest are losers ... but me & you are on the same boat. I didn't know that, that's cool. I should really be careful if someone gives me a BMW or a Porsche as a gift in the future. Nice catch on the daggers. Paper shields, paper daggers! And daggers are made for thrusting, not slashing: He reached up one sleeve, brought out a parchment, and thrust it at Jaime's face. {Jaime V AFFC} He thrust the parchment at her as if he could not wait to be rid of it. It was tightly rolled and sealed with a button of hard pink wax. {Wayward Bride ADWD} Clydas thrust the parchment forward. It was tightly rolled and sealed, with a button of hard pink wax. {Jon VI ADWD}
  6. Oh this just hit me. No show spoilers ........ D&D have their own vision of Hardhome, and it was already immediately different than GRRM's vision. The Hardhome episode was in Season 5, the season that GRRM decided to bail out on D&D. I would imagine the meeting for writing Season 5 scripts went like this: D&D: George, I know Hardhome is different in your books, but this is our vision for it - [show spoilers] GRRM: No, I have a reason for my version of Hardhome. You guys should just follow my lead. D&D: BUT I think the audience would really like our version. GRRM: Trust me, just don't do it. If you do it, I won't help you anymore. Let's move on, so which episode is Lady Stoneheart appearing this season? D&D: Well .......... GRRM: Are you f-cking kidding me? F-ck this shit. I am bailing out. You guys are on your own from now on. Good luck with the series without me. And if becomes a train wreck, you should of listened to me about Lady Stoneheart and Hardhome!
  7. Davos' first line. Yes ... GRRM wrote this script back in Season 2. Thank you D&D for that super epic long moment of everyone hoping the bells would ring into King's Landing's official surrender. Way to keep it consistent.
  8. The Map Guy

    Arya and the Horse

    I am 100% sure D&D does not know about R+L=J&M. Before GRRM approved the HBO deal in ~2009, GRRM tricked D&D by asking "Who is Jon Snow's real mother?" That was a trick question. During the script-writes for Season 5, D&D decided not to add Lady Stoneheart, making Jon fight at Hardhome, and Stannis losing the battle at Winterfell. GRRM was probably "fuck these guys, they don't know anything" and GRRM bails out on show's scripts. GRRM probably gave D&D pointers for the rest of the series. They are probably: Hodor means "hold the door" (but GRRM probably never stated magic/time-travel was involved) Shireen gets burned (but GRRM probably never stated that it was Mel that did it) The Girl in Grey kills all the White Walkers (D&D did their version BUT Arya is not Jon's sister like the book-vision implies) After all the White Walkers are defeated, King's Landing still gets attack by a single dragon (D&D assumed it was Dany) Dany dies on the throne (probably, we'll see Sunday) I think GRRM gave D&D hints, but they were intentional mis-directions. D&D interpreted all these pointers wrong. Anything after Season 5 was all messed up, ESPECIALLY this season. Welcome. I'll PM you. If you read any of my theories, it calls out Star Wars for the delay of the ASOIAF books. Because of these book delays, this GoT season sucked ass. So essentially the ROOT of why HBO Game of Thrones Season 8 is so terrible is because of ... Star Wars. And I'm serious.
  9. The Map Guy

    Arya and the Horse

    Um yeah, I think its safe to say that I subscribe to R+L=J&M lol I even wrote a couple things for it here in this forum. Even had one of the parts banned and I still don't know why. I want to write my seventh and final part - The Girl in Grey, on a Zombie Horse: the Dark Sister Rebellion, a book only theory. But since it goes down the same rabbit hole as the banned theory, I'll just keep it classified. Its too bad, Tony Stark would of loved it.
  10. It is not just that D&D was inconsistent with Game of Thrones. It is the fact that D&D were blessed with four scripts written by GRRM himself for the first four seasons. The Battle of Blackwater Bay episode in Season 2 was one of them, and I see it as D&D betraying a gift from GRRM. They flaunt this betrayal as the official title of last night's episode. This is worst than the Starbucks cup incident. The TV battle and the book battle had some differences, but both versions were ALL written and approved by GRRM. The bells, the drums, the threshing oars, the battle on the shore, the "AHOOOOOOOOO" warhorn in the books, that tense moment where that single flaming arrow falling down & down behind the night sky right before the green atomic explosion in the TV show, and even the added final scene with Cersei & Tommen in the throne room. ...... all written by GRRM. GRRM words: "I have never known the bells to mean surrender" - Davos of Flea Bottom, King's Landing D&D words: "Ring the bells! Ring the bells! Ring the bells! Ring the bells! Ring the bells! Ring the bells!" for 105 seconds (yes, I used a stop-watch) of over-hyped false tension & inconsistent writing to signal surrender "The Bells" is D&D slapping GRRM's face
  11. Season 7 Dany and Drogon destroys the Lannister Army after the Sack of Highgarden, with minimal loses Team Dany thinks about hitting the pause button on sacking King's Landing, while the city was at their weakest Team Dany has three dragons, and all of their Unsullied and Dothrakis, along with several Westerosi allies Team Jon goes on a suicide mission to get a zombie from Beyond the Wall A dragon eventually dies from Dany's rescue mission of Team Jon The Night King was able to invade Westeros thanks to that stupid rescue mission by stealing a dragon Dany negotiates a truce with Cersei to stop fighting for now All this took probably several weeks Season 8 The Night King arrived and was defeated at Winterfell ... but he only got there because the ROOT of the problem was trying to set a truce with Cersei back in Season 7 King's Landing is reinforced by the Golden Company, Euron, and some Lannister soldiers (I thought they bent the knee) King's Landing has multiple upgraded Scorpions on land & sea. They already killed Rhaegal in the previous episode Team Dany has only one dragon now, and much less Unsullied & Dothrakis from the Battle of Winterfell They sack a heavily defended King's Landing in ~one hour with minimal blood shed, up until the stupid Mad Queen twist WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE TRUCE IN SEASON 7?????
  12. The Map Guy

    Arya and the Horse

    Arya and the Horse is a reference to the Girl in Grey fire-vision from Melisandre in the ADWD book ... a girl in grey, grey as ashes, on a dying horse, Jon Snow's sister. It's a big deal for R'hllor. In the books, most casual readers assume Mel got the prophecy wrong as Alys Karstark shows up to Castle Black on a dying horse. She is definitely not Jon's sister. Deeper theorists assume it may be fake-Arya in the books: Jeyne Poole. But even as fake-Arya, she is still not Jon's sister. D&D (maybe one or two other theorists) theorize that the Girl in Grey is the real Arya Stark. Perhaps D&D champion Arya as one to defeat the White Walkers in the R'hllor visions. But the real Arya is actually Jon's cousin via R+L=J. But I theorize that Jon does have a real sister in the books.
  13. And since she doesn't need to convince a dead Cersei anymore, Jon doesn't need to go Beyond the Wall to kidnap a zombie. The White Walkers & the zombies would just be sitting there behind the Wall with no way of invading with out a dragon of their own.
  14. My point is that last season: Dany had all three dragons and her armies in tact. And they did nothing to an unprepared King's Landing. This season: With one dragon and a smaller army ... against a city that was ready for dragons ... Dany sacks it in a hour, with almost no civilian casualties before the bells. Just re-imagine tonight's episode will ALL THREE DRAGONS and King's Landing with no Scorpions, with her armies in full force. This is terrible story telling. Nothing is earned. They could of convey Dany's descent in a more believable way...they could of made the battle a lot harder for her, and she chooses to burn enemy soldiers hiding behind civilians.
  15. The Map Guy

    There's Something about Leaf

    Yea I think Snowy Locks is the worst one too, just by her name. Don't believe anything they say. They are all liars! I'm sure that Bloodraven wargs back and forth between Coldhands & Leaf. He can only do it one at a time. Would love to read it. I am sure a lot of the stories in ASOIAF are recycled stories of one another. Once everything is said and done, we will see a bunch of parallels between completed stories and characters.
  16. The Map Guy

    Predicting and Gambling

    I'll bet against that. I don't know about everyone else, but I am planning on tWinning this bet
  17. The Map Guy

    There's Something about Leaf

    I think Leaf and the rest of the CotF are dead. Bloodraven is warged into zombie Leaf and moving her vocal cords to talk. If Bran can warg into Hodor and make him say "Hodor" ... mind controlled zombies can talk too!
  18. The Map Guy

    Is GRRM As Complex As You Believe He Is?

    @Megorova Since you posted this, I'll put up the whole thing: Awesome scene, but Easter Eggs Easter Eggs Easter Eggs! The last sentence of A Game of Thrones - A Song of Ice & Fire ... "the night came alive with the music of dragons" ... Easter Egg for ADOS! Agreed To each his/her own. I think Jon Snow will ride a dragon, but it won't be his own ... he would just be hitch-hiking. "The sound of shattering stone" can mean the "sound of shattering ice" "The roaring filled the world, yet dimly through the firefall Dany heard women shriek and children cry out in wonder" could be Jaime, Brienne & Bran To each his/her own again. "DON'T YOU SEE" can mean RhaegaL has a blind rider, with Rhaegal mounting the world Agreed ... but some moments do have a higher meaning or double meaning ABSOLUTELY AGREED!
  19. The Map Guy

    Predicting and Gambling

    I would bet that the 3EC, the Last Green-Seer, Coldhands, Ash, Leaf, Scales, Black Knife, Snowylocks, Coals and Craster are ALL bad guys who are allies with the Others. And all the TWOW readers' genuine reactions would be "THANK GOD!! Its already different!" lol
  20. The Map Guy

    Is GRRM As Complex As You Believe He Is?

    To himself, I don't think George is complex. Only to us, it seems like it. The simplest way to put it: he knows where he wants to go with the story, and we don't. Like the OP said, he writes backwards. And to make his work different than others, he hides little Easter Eggs here & there to foreshadow the future ... even foreshadow major plot points in the final book. The goal of these Easter Eggs is to make his readers re-read the books once ASOIAF is finally done. Once we discover these Easter Eggs here & there, we can truly appreciate how much heart GRRM has put in each sentence by sentence. I bet all the HBO scripts that GRRM wrote personally has Easter Eggs for the ASOIAF books too. There was an conversation between GRRM and Stephen King. Stephen King writes at a rate of 6 pages a day GRRM writes sentence by sentence Examples: In context of the moment, they are talking about Robb. But what if this is where GRRM hides an Easter Egg where LSH tells Brienne to go rescue Bran or Rickon in later books? In context of the moment, they are talking about Sansa. But what if the 'maid with blue eyes & auburn hair' = Bran; three = Bran, Brienne & Jaime (sorry Pod); ten = Bran's age; knight/fool/gold = Jaime? What if this foreshadows a journey between Brienne, Bran & Jaime in later books? Trying to write a current story in a current book AND hiding Easter Eggs for future books is tough work. Definitely can't do 6 pages a day.
  21. The Map Guy

    Is Benjen south of The Wall?

    My re-wording: Benjen was killed at Craster's Keep by the Children of the Forest, while he slept. Benjen = Coldhands For all you readers who think it doesn't make ANY sense, it is because you are treating Coldhands, the Children of the Forest, the 3EC and Craster as good guys. They are not. Bran & company are in big trouble.
  22. The Map Guy

    [Spoilers] Episode 803 Discussion

    D&D can do their own thing. I will still watch it. Doesn't mean I have to like it. I just have no choice for a visual adaption of ASOIAF. But anything GRRM will write for TWOW and ADOS will be much better than what D&D has. They are terrible at writing a logical script, with a million plot holes. GRRM will be a perfectionist with his craft, and he will still keep the readers on the edge of their seats. GRRM already branched off from D&D after Season 4, and I know why. It Bran & the Three-Eyed Raven plot line. GRRM: "D&D, you guys are writing the Three-Eyed-Raven to be a good guy right? Ok, time for me to leave. Good luck!"
  23. The Map Guy

    Let's speculate about Illyrio's chests

    Oh i get it ... Aegon = Egg and Humpty Dumpty = a egg lol LOL maybe it means "go and die" There is a gift for the boy in one of the chests. Some candied ginger. He was always fond of it." Illyrio sounded oddly sad. "I thought I might continue on to 'go and die' with you. A farewell feast before you start downriver. But yea, I also believe fAegon is gonna get his head smashed, most likely by the Mountain Zombie ... ending fAegon's plot so GRRM can freaking move on to ADOS with less characters to worry about.
  24. The last episode would probably be the only episode this season that makes any sense because GRRM told D&D the ending. But I am sure D&D will still find a way to f- it up.
  25. GRRM grooming D&D to where they are now today, and sending them to the Star Wars franchise would be the best revenge plan ever for GRRM.
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