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16 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said:
They wandered for half the morning. She saw a beautiful feathered cloak from the Summer Isles, and took it for a gift.
Symbolically, I wonder if this feather cloak has anything to do with the Night's Watch and the Gift?? Hmmmmmm
16 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said:They wandered for half the morning. She saw a beautiful feathered cloak from the Summer Isles, and took it for a gift. In return, she gave the merchant a silver medallion from her belt. That was how it was done among the Dothraki.
Hahaha, I can't believe I missed this. Dany doesn't know what "Paying" is?? Kinda reminds me of Jasmine in Aladdin!
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Jasmine: "Pay?"Spoiled palace brat and House with the Red Door brat! Don't know what "Paying" is!
16 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said:A birdseller taught a green-and-red parrot to say her name, and Dany laughed again, yet still refused to take him.
In Aladdin, Jafar had a talking parrot. Jafar wanted Jasmine, but she refused to take him.
Anyways, sorry I don't have an answer to your small question lol. She does have a lot of outfits though.
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According to the 2005 AFFC Appendix:
Tommen's kittens are Ser Pounce, Lady Whiskers and Boots
This is a reference to Puss-In-Boots from Shrek 2 (2004)
Damn his claws are long and sharp too! No need to stick them with the pointy end!
- Boots is Boots
- Lady Whiskers is ... um ... never mind, I don't want to get banned. Use your imagination to picture what "lady-whiskers" are (according to GRRM lol)
- Ser Pounce is Puss-in-Boots pouncing on these Ser's here:
This golden cat always pays his debts!!!! ... with his pointy end!!!
I know, I know ... just because they had armor doesn't mean they are knights, but it is funnier this way!
And poor knights, getting their butts whooped by a cat. I'm sure after a long day of guarding the monarch, they just want to go back home to their families, or enjoy a night at the local brothel with a good girl ... they didn't need this bad ... um ... "Lady Whiskers"
Off-Topic Personal Rant:
SpoilerSeriously, the ending to Shrek 2 is epic and amazing. I literally watch this clip everyday since my two-year old son jumps up and down for it lol.
It has an awesome sound-track. I love the Dance involving future-Queen Fiona and a CGI Jaime Lannister look-alike (tangoing with a rose in his mouth!!). And then Shrek, a monster from the swamp lands, crashing the party and attacking the castle! There are fireballs flying the air everywhere. I love that weaponized gumdrop button that burned with a silvery blue light, the little Gingerbread Man jumping off the deck and falling down & down, the gigantic crash into the water, the handsome golden cat repaying his debt with a pointy end! He also dances in the rain later on!
And unlike GoT S8, these soldiers knew to station their trebuchets within the castle walls! Gods, how these two scripts differ! Next time, if anyone sees George in person, please let him know not to end ASOIAF the crappy way D&D ended it. If George needs an example of a properly executed ending, Shrek 2 is a great example ... since all the characters here are fueled by the fires in their bloods! -
"Did he?" Archmaester Marwyn shrugged. "Perhaps it's good that [Maester Aemon] died before he got to Oldtown. Elsewise the grey sheep might have had to kill him, and that would have made the poor old dears wring their wrinkled hands."
"Kill him?" Sam said, shocked. "Why?"
"If I tell you, they may need to kill you too." Marywn smiled a ghastly smile, the juice of the sourleaf running red between his teeth. "Who do you think killed all the dragons the last time around? Gallant dragonslayers armed with swords?" He spat. "The world the Citadel is building has no place in it for sorcery or prophecy or glass candles, much less for dragons. Ask yourself why Aemon Targaryen was allowed to waste his life upon the Wall, when by rights he should have been raised to archmaester. His blood was why. He could not be trusted. No more than I can."{Samwell V AFFC}
Someone needs their Top Secret clearance!
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This one is for all my New Yorkers. Stay safe out there!
Master Tobho Mott and the Street of Steel is about the 3 adjacent neighborhoods in downtown Manhattan.
TriBeca - sOHO - and Mott Street of Chinatown.At Mott Street, there are plenty of Chinese gift shops where they occasionally sell Chinese artifacts and steel swords.
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The buxom red-haired innkeep howled with pleasure at the sight of them, then promptly set to tweaking them. [...]
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"Oh." Bella tugged her gown back over her shoulder and went to talk with Jack-Be-Lucky. Before long she was sitting in his lap, giggling and drinking wine from his cup. Greenbeard had two girls, one on each knee. Anguy had vanished with his freckle-faced wench, and Lem was gone as well. Tom Sevenstrings sat by the fire, singing. "The Maids that Bloom in Spring." Arya sipped at the cup of watered wine the red-haired woman had allowed her, listening. Across the square the dead men were rotting in their crow cages, but inside the Peach everyone was jolly. Except it seemed to her that some of them were laughing too hard, somehow.
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"Beds we got," said red-haired Tansy. "There's never been no lack o' beds at the Peach. But you'll all climb in a tub first. Last time you lot stayed under my roof you left your fleas behind." She poked Greenbeard in the chest. "And yours was green, too. You want food?"
"If you can spare it, we won't say no," Tom conceded.
"Now when did you ever say no to anything, Tom?" the woman HOOTED. "I'll roast some mutton for your friends, and an old dry rat for you. It's more than you deserve, but if you gargle me a song or three, might be I'll weaken. I always pity the afflicted. Come on, come on. Cass, Lanna, put some kettles on. Jyzene, help me get the clothes off them, we'll need to boil those too."{Arya V ASOS}
I know the Peach is a brothel, but the moment George made them serve food ... is George thinking about Hooters? [...] the woman HOOTED
Buxom women, alcohol, food, music ... seems like a Hooters in Westeros ... silly George
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On 4/5/2020 at 6:29 PM, Rufus Snow said:
94 pages in, I'm not going to trawl it for prior art, but was Arya's arc at all inspired by Mathilda in the film "Leon"?
Awesome catch! I totally forgot about this 1994 film, I guess I gotta re-watch it some time. I do remember a few things.
This is the scene where Mathilda casually walks by her apartment door after her family was just murdered inside. She didn't want to alert the guard of who she was by running away. Tense scene.
Reminds me of Arya's escape:
Arya looked. She knew all of her father's men. The three in the grey cloaks were strangers. "You," the one walking rounds called out. "What do you want here, boy?" The other two looked up from their dice.
It was all Arya could do not to bolt and run, but she knew that if she did, they would be after her at once. She made herself walk closer. They were looking for a girl, but he thought she was a boy. She'd be a boy, then. "Want to buy a pigeon?" She showed him the dead bird.
"Get out of here," the guardsman said.
Arya did as he told her. She did not have to pretend to be frightened. Behind her, the men went back to their dice.
{Arya V AGOT 1996}Mathilda's grocery bags = Arya's pigeon! lol
Also Arya has been trained by many men in the art of killing ... like Jon "stick them with the pointy end!" Snow, Syrio Forel ... etc.
Leon trains Mathilda to kill as well.
Leon is an Italian hitman.
Syrio Forel is from Braavos, which is based on Venice, Italy!
Off Topic:SpoilerI remember the acting of the younger Natalie Portman was great in this movie. It was really impressive for her first role.
Over her career she has been in Oscar-worthy movies like Black Swan 2010, and terrible movies like Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith 2005 as Padme.Anyways, it is nice that Arya Stark has a little Natalie Portman in her arc ... along with the same wild she/wolf blood that Lyanna Stark had.
Hmmmmm there is a cruel and Dark joke somewhere here that GRRM might be kicking himself for in 2005.
Oh right ... "Promise me Obi-Wan. Promise me." lol
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I wonder if Val, our blonde hottie from the lands of ice and snow ... is a homage to Val Kilmer, another blonde hottie who plays "Iceman" in Top Gun?
Could George really do this gender swap?? This may break a few hearts with this gender confusion.
"The good woman at the brazier," Mance Rayder went on, "is Dalla." The pregnant woman smiled shyly. "Treat her like you would any queen, she is carrying my child." He turned to the last two. "This beauty is her sister Val. Young Jarl beside her is her latest pet."
"I am no man's pet," said Jarl, dark and fierce.
"And Val's no man," white-bearded Tormund snorted. "You ought to have noticed that by now, lad."
{Jon I ASOS}Ahhhh thanks George for specifically clearing that up. Val is no man. No gender confusion here!
And seriously, what is up with these cocky Navy pilots talking about the sizes of their members?
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21 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:
Was Shae named after Shea Stadium? (For those who don't know, Shea Stadium was the home field for the NY Mets up until a few years ago. GRRM is a Mets fan).
Not sure, but if so ... does that mean Tyrion hit a home run at Shae???
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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12962439-a-game-of-thrones
From the Preface of the Graphic Novels, for anyone who doesn't own the graphic novel set:
SpoilerWelcome to the first volume of the collected A Game of Thrones, a graphic novel based on my epic fantasy novel of the same name.
“Graphic novel” is what they call these things now. What they actually are, of course, are big fancy comic books published on glossy paper in hardcover or trade paperback format, and sold through bookshops rather than comic shops, newsstands, and candy-store spinner racks. Has a nice ring to it, “graphic novel.” A nice, dignified, respectable name for an artistic medium that has traditionally gotten less respect than Rodney Dangerfield.
Which is all fine and good, I suppose…but my roots are in comics fandom, so they will always be comic books to me. They were never especially comedic (not intentionally, anyway), to be sure. That usage came over from newspaper comic strips, which had preceded comic books by decades. It makes more sense in that context; the majority of the newspaper strips were meant to be humorous, although even in the papers, there were plenty of exceptions, ranging from Prince Valiant to Flash Gordon to Terry and the Pirates. But “comic strips” was the term, and when the first publishers started collecting strips into flimsy little books printed on cheap paper and selling them for a dime, those became comic books.
When I was growing up in New Jersey in the 1950s, we called them all “funny books.”
Some comics were actually intended to be funny, of course. Archie and his gang. Mickey and Donald and (best of the bunch) Uncle Scrooge. Casper the Friendly Ghost, Baby Huey, Little Lulu, Sugar and Spike, Beetle Bailey, Cosmo the Merry Martian, all those funny animals. Most of those were comics for little kids, though, way too young and silly for a serious comic-book fan like me. By the time I hit my serious comic-book-collecting phase, I was all of ten and eleven and then twelve, and spending my dimes on serious adult fare, like Batman and Superman and the Challengers of the Unknown, on war comics and Western comics and Hot Rods and Racing Cars (my family did not even own a car, but I liked to read about them), the horror and mystery and science-fiction titles from AMG and Charlton and the Company-Soon-to-Be-Marvel. A couple years later, I bought all the nascent Marvel superheroes too, Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Avengers, Thor and Iron Man and Ant-Man, and loved them so much I started writing to their letter columns. Some of my letters were published, which led to other comics fans contacting me and sending me their fanzines, which led to me writing stories for their fanzines, which led to…well, where I am today. But that’s a story I’ve told before.
And then there were Classics Illustrated. Maybe those were the first graphic novels: seminal novels of Western literature (mixed in with some that were, ah, less seminal), adapted into comics. I did not collect Classics Illustrated comics as assiduously as I collected the Marvel and DC titles, but over the years I did buy quite a few of them. Later, in high school and college, I would read many of the original works on which the comics were based, but those experiences were years in my future. The funny books came first. A Tale of Two Cities, The Time Machine, War of the Worlds, Great Expectations, Moby-Dick, Ivanhoe, The Iliad, The Last of the Mohicans, The House of the Seven Gables, The Three Musketeers, Arabian Nights, even Macbeth…I read them first as funny books. Long years before I ever read a word of Dickens, Wells, Melville, Dumas, or Shakespeare, I encountered Sydney Carton, the Time Traveller, Captain Ahab, D’Artagnan, and Lady Macbeth slumming on pages made of newsprint and printed in four colors. And though I had not (yet) read the books, I devoured the stories.
Funny books were controversial in the 1950s. They were widely read, especially by kids (today’s comic audience is much older, and much, much smaller). But they were not approved of. There was a psychiatrist named Fredric Wertham who claimed that comics caused juvenile delinquency, and hundreds of thousands of seemingly intelligent adults believed him. Teachers would confiscate your comics in school, and warn you that reading such stuff would “rot your mind.” Mothers would throw away your collection the moment your back was turned (not MY mother, though, I’m pleased to say). Crime comics, horror comics, and even superhero comics were particularly reviled, almost certain to turn any healthy child into a violent criminal. Funny animal comics usually got a pass as harmless fun.
But the critics and the censors split on books like Classics Illustrated. Some allowed that hey might be a good thing, seeing as how they helped to introduce kids to “real literature.” Others insisted that a comic was a comic was a comic, that these adaptations did violence to the great books they were based on, cheapened them, robbed the reader of the delights of the original. The comic book of Moby-Dick was not Melville, they insisted.
They were right, of course. But they were wrong as well. No, the comic book of Moby-Dick was not Melville, could never be Melville…but the story was still there, and those of us who read that funny book were still richer for having sailed upon the Pequod and made the acquaintance of Ishmael, Queequeg, and Captain Ahab. For many, Classics Illustrated comics were the gateway drug, and led us on to the hard stuff—the original novels.
The comic book is not the book; the graphic novel is not the novel. The same, of course, is true of films and television. When we move a story from one medium to another, no matter how faithful we attempt to be, some changes are inevitable. Each medium has its own demands, its own restrictions, its own way of telling a story.
There are aspects of my epic fantasy series, A Song of Ice and Fire, that make it an especially difficult work to translate to any visual medium. The sheer scale of it. All those scenes. All those settings. A cast of thousands. The complexity of my plots and subplots. The structure: tight third-person narratives, interwoven from the viewpoint of many different characters. In the novels, I make free use of some techniques that work well in prose, and less well, or not at all, for a visual medium: internal monologues, flashbacks, unreliable narrators. I strive to put you inside the heads of my characters, make you privy to their thoughts, let you see the world through their eyes. Screenwriters and comic-book scriptors cannot do any of that, not without resorting to clumsy devices like voice-overs and thought balloons. For all these reasons, I went for years thinking that A Game of Thrones and its sequels would never be adapted. Not for film, not television, and certainly not for funny books. Just. Could. Not. Be. Done.
Shows you what I know.
As I write, the HBO television series Game of Thrones has just wrapped its second season, after a very successful premiere season that saw the show nominated for the Emmy, the Golden Globe, and a dozen other major awards. Reviews have been great, and so have the ratings.
And you hold the graphic novel in your hands.
Let me make one thing clear: This is not a tie-in to the television series. What you’re about to read is an original adaptation of my novels. The creative teams responsible for these alternate versions of my tale—Daniel Abraham and Tommy Patterson for the comics, David Benioff and D. B. Weiss (aided and abetted by Bryan Cogman, Jane Espenson, and yours truly) for the TV show—worked from the same source material and faced some of the same challenges, but each had to deal with problems unique to their media as well. In some cases they may have hit on similar solutions; in others, they took very different approaches. But if you’re a fan of the TV series, and you’re wondering why the story lines are a little different, and the characters do not look like the actors you’ve seen on your flat screen…well, now you know.
For my part, I love the television series, and I love the comics…er, graphic novel…too. This is my world, these are my people, and this is still my story, now being told in a different way in a different medium, where a whole new audience can enjoy it.
Graphic stories are a collaborative medium, in much the same way as film and television; it takes a team to make a funny book worth reading. I have a lot of people to thank for the book you hold in your hands, starting with my publishers and editors, Anne Groell at Random House and Nick Barucci at Dynamite, who have shepherded this project through from start to finish. Thanks as well to our sensational cover artists, Alex Ross and Mike S. Miller and Michael Komarck, who have graced the monthly issues with some truly gorgeous artwork.
The interior art is from the gifted pencil of Tommy Patterson. We looked at dozens of different pencilers for this gig, talented artists from all over the world who sent in sample pages for our consideration. It was not at all an easy decision, but Tommy’s samples stood out right from the first. He seemed to have a real feel for the world of Westeros and its denizens, and his passion for the project was second to none. And let’s not forget the amazing work of Ivan Nunes on colors, and Marshall Dillon on letters.
Last, but most definitely not least, is Daniel Abraham, who did all the hard work of breaking down the novel into pages and panels, deciding what to cut and what to keep, doing all the scripting, the dialogue, the imagery. A former student and a close friend, Daniel is a triple-threat in his own right, writing epic fantasy under his real name, urban fantasy as M. L. N. Hanover, and science fiction (in collaboration with Ty Franck) as James S. A. Corey. He does all three superlatively. This comic…er, graphic novel…is as much his work as mine, and would not exist without him.
A series of novels. A television show. A comic book. Three different media, each with its own strengths and weaknesses, its own pleasure and frustrations…but all ultimately telling the same story. If you’ve enjoyed the books or the TV show, we hope you will like this version as well. And if you’re new to A Song of Ice and Fire, I hope you’ll enjoy visiting Westeros and Winterfell, and meeting Tyrion and Jon Snow and Arya and Ned and Cersei and Sansa and Bran and the rest of my cast of thousands. (But don’t get too attached). Maybe you will even want to read the original novels when you’ve finished the comic. That would be cool. Like those old Classics Illustrated com…er, graphic novels…this may be a gateway drug. Besides, comic books will rot your mind.
George R. R. Martin
Santa Fe
January 25, 2012"For all these reasons, I went for years thinking that A Game of Thrones and its sequels would never be adapted. Not for film, not television, and certainly not for funny books. Just. Could. Not. Be. Done."
Shows you what I know.
Edit: I read it wrong. Before HBO and the comics, he never thought ASOIAF would ever be adapted into another medium ... but he admits he was wrong now since HBO and the comics picked it up.
I'm kind of confident that the graphic novels will catch up by the time we get TWOW and ADOS from GRRM. I will be delighted to see a visual adaption of the real ASOIAF some day ... instead of the other visual adaption crap from HBO.
But I do have a suggestion for GRRM ... after ADOS is done, it would be pretty cool if ASOIAF could be adapted into Japanese anime.
- We would have the full story by then
- I'm confident the production would stay true to the source material, unlike D&D
- The production would be patient and take its time, perhaps even spreading all the episodes over a decade
- They can take the POV approach like the books
- It's common that anime characters have their moments of monologue thoughts & flashbacks
- It's also common they have awesome Rock & Roll instrumental soundtracks for their scenes, something HBO GoT could not do
C'mon George, you know the last one is a major selling point ... you know you want instrumental soundtracks for A Song of Ice and Fire!
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Does anyone know if the graphic novels of AGOT and ACOK are canon?
I picked up the 6 autographed graphic novels from the Jean Cocteau Cinema website, GRRM's theater in New Mexico.
https://jeancocteaucinema.com/product-category/signed-books/page/7/
It's cool, they have GRRM autographed books here ... for a little bit more $$$.Anyways, I am asking because the first page I randomly popped open (AGOT Vol 3) shows us a comic strip of Ned's fever dream at TOJ.
There are a lot of theories where Oswell Whent, Arthur Dayne, and Gerold Hightower are some how alive in ASOIAF.
In the comic strip, they get their asses kicked ... so I'm just wondering if anyone knows if the comics are canon?
Here is a preview that everyone can click, page 12 of the preview
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17456972-a-game-of-thrones -
15 hours ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said:
Especially the bolded, I had never thought of that. In Aladdin & the wonderful lamp he isn't limited to 3 wishes but gets as many wishes as he wants as long as he has the lamp. Eventually, Arya will likely get as many wishes as she wants as well, because she will have been taught to do it herself.
I wish I can have as many wishes as I can lol
Arya uses Jaqen's 3rd death wish on Jaqen ... his death
Aladdin uses Genie's 3rd wish on Genie ... his freedomActually the 3rd wish of each were complicated
10 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:Before the good folk of Agrabah had to make way for Disney's Aladdin, the Romans had to make way for Elizabeth Taylor's Cleopatra.
The difference is that for Elizabeth Taylor, you don't need an announcement to "Make Way" for her ... you just "Make Way" instinctively
- Lyanna<3Rhaegar and Narsil4
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Thanks for Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp!
I'll take over for Disney's Aladdin:
Make way! For the next theory!!
A great drum led the royal procession to clear their way through the streets. Between each beat, a shavepate herald in a shirt of polished copper disks cried for the crowd to part. BOMM. "They come!" BOMM. "Make way!" BOMM. "The queen!" BOMM. "The king!" BOMM. Behind the drum marched Brazen Beasts four abreast. Some carried cudgels, others staves; all wore pleated skirts, leathern sandals, and patchwork cloaks sewn from squares of many colors to echo the many-colored bricks of Meereen. Their masks gleamed in the sun: boars and bulls, hawks and herons, lions and tigers and bears, fork-tongued serpents and hideous basilisks.
Strong Belwas, who had no love for horses, walked in front of them in his studded vest, his scarred brown belly jiggling with every step. Irri and Jhiqui followed ahorse, with Aggo and Rakharo, then Reznak in an ornate sedan chair with an awning to keep the sun off his head. Ser Barristan Selmy rode at Dany's side, his armor flashing in the sun. A long cloak flowed from his shoulders, bleached as white as bone. On his left arm was a large white shield. A little farther back was Quentyn Martell, the Dornish prince, with his two companions.The column crept slowly down the long brick street. BOMM. "They come!" BOMM. "Our queen. Our king." BOMM. "Make way."Dany could hear her handmaids arguing behind her, debating who was going to win the day's final match. Jhiqui favored the gigantic Goghor, who looked more bull than man, even to the bronze ring in his nose. Irri insisted that Belaquo Bonebreaker's flail would prove the giant's undoing. My handmaids are Dothraki, she told herself. Death rides with every khalasar. The day she wed Khal Drogo, the arakhs had flashed at her wedding feast, and men had died whilst others drank and mated. Life and death went hand in hand amongst the horselords, and a sprinkling of blood was thought to bless a marriage. Her new marriage would soon be drenched in blood. How blessed it would be.
{Daenerys IX ADWD}Cue in Aladdin - Prince Ali
Sooo much in Disney Aladdin, I don't even know where to begin.
evil Jafer = evil Jafar?
Mormont's Raven = Fake talking parrot on Jafar's shoulders
Blackgate = Cave of Wonders
Jaqen's 3 death wishes = Genie's 3 wishes
Arianne in Tower AFFC = Jasmine locked in the Palace
Daenerys in Market AGOT = Jasmine at the marketplace
Goldcloaks searching for Gendry and not Arya = Jafar's guards searching for Aladdin and not JasmineJoffery's dung = Marketplace in chaos over a loaf of bread, but the guards end up in poop
Tyrion's nose at the 1:40 mark
There's more, I just can't remember off the top of my head ... but I do like the moon-lit skies, fireworks and the dragon at the end.
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Spearwives
When Squirrel returned, the other four were with her: gaunt grey-haired Myrtle, Willow Witch-Eye with her long black braid, Frenya of the thick waist and enormous breasts, Holly with her knife. Clad as serving girls in layers of drab grey roughspun, they wore brown woolen cloaks lined with white rabbit fur. No swords, Theon saw. No axes, no hammers, no weapons but knives. Holly's cloak was fastened with a silver clasp, and Frenya had a girdle of hempen rope wound about her middle from her hips to breasts. It made her look even more massive than she was. {Theon I ADWD}
Be careful now, this may break some hearts:
SpoilerShrek the Third - 2007
Squirrel = Princess Snow White
https://shrek.fandom.com/wiki/Snow_WhitePrincess Snow White screams to the tune of Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin. With her siren, she controls animals to attack her enemies, including squirrels.
In my ADOS Prediction:
SpoilerSquirrel ~ Arya, and Arya has been compared to Meera Reed by Bran.
Meera is a Stark Targaryen princess ... most likely a bastard = Princess Snow!! (get it?) White
In my assumption of the climax of ASOIAF (that I predicted in January 2019) I have Meera doing the same rendition of Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin ... where as a female Stark, she single-handedly ends the Long Night (but she then turns evil, feeding her mad Targaryen side!).I know George, too many coincidences!!! Shrek 2 with CGI Jaime & Holding Out for a Hero ... and now Shrek 3 with CGI Meera & Immigrant Song!!
Rowan = Doris
https://shrek.fandom.com/wiki/Doris
Doris is a transgender woman. Rowan = wROng WomAN lolThe woman [Rowan] smiled crookedly. "Do you take me for a whore?" She was one of the singer's washerwomen, the tall skinny one, too lean and leathery to be called pretty … though there was a time when Theon would have tumbled her all the same, to see how it felt to have those long legs wrapped around him. {The Turncloak ADWD}
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https://youtu.be/P-wGG8vYbZU?t=128
C'mon George! Theon has it bad already, why do you have to do him so dirty again? Geez
Willow Witch-eye = Princess Rapunzel
https://shrek.fandom.com/wiki/Rapunzel
A willow tree has long long long strands of leaves/branches ... like the long long long hair of Princess Rapunzel.
In this movie, Princess Rapunzel betrays all the other princesses by switching sides with the bad guys.
"Switch side" ~ "witch eye"
I see what you did there George!!Myrtle = MaRY Poppins ~ Julie Andrews ~ Queen Lillian
https://shrek.fandom.com/wiki/Lillian
Myrtle is the oldest of the spearwives, just like Queen Lillian (aka Julie Andrews (aka Mary Poppins)) is among the princesses
George, you probably had to choose between Myrtle tree or Poplar tree for Mary Poppins huh?Holly = Princess Sleeping Beauty
This one I need more time to explain.
Holly = Hollywood's version of Sleeping Beauty. Old school Hollywood/Disney's Sleeping Beauty is a story that involves rape ... kissing a sleeping woman.
This is where George changes the narrative with his character Holly, who's pouty lips are made for kissing.She sat down next to him, too close, another of Abel's washerwomen. This one was young, fifteen or maybe sixteen, with shaggy blond hair in need of a good wash and a pair of pouty lips in need of a good kiss. "Some girls like to touch," she said, with a little half-smile. "If it please m'lord, I'm Holly." {A Ghost in Winterfell ADWD}
Later on Holly kisses a guard to distract him, before slitting his throat. Holly is eventually killed in the escape attempt. I guess this is George's anti-rape message to old school Hollywood, hidden in ADWD.
Jeyne Poole was staring down at Holly as the snowy blanket over her turned from white to red. {Theon I ADWD}
The "snowy blankets" suggests "Sleeping".
I agree with you George ... without consent, don't kiss an unconscious woman!Frenya = Princess Fiona
Frenya of the thick waist and enormous breasts. [...] ... and Frenya had a girdle of hempen rope wound about her middle from her hips to breasts. It made her look even more massive than she was. {Theon I ADWD}
https://shrek.fandom.com/wiki/Fiona
Well technically this isn't wrong ... is it George?Their secret identities as washerwomen is a reference to Princess Cinderella .. because she was originally a washerwoman.
Also in Shrek 3 is Arthur "Artie" Pendragon. He is probably George's inspiration to Aegon
https://shrek.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Pendragon
He is a handsome puny kid that gets bullied by high school kids (by both jocks AND nerds!). He is all talk and no action. The movie writers expected us to cheer for him when he was told he was the rightful heir to their kingdom's throne (Because Shrek dun want it!). But I dun buy it. George probably dun buy it either. I saw who Artie really was, even though the movie tries really hard to make us like him. He was weak & pathetic, and his kingship was given to him on a golden platter even though he accomplished nothing to earn it.Artie Pendragon: So wait. I'm really the only heir?
Shrek: The one and only!And then Prince Aegon spoke. "Then put your hopes on me," he said. "Daenerys is Prince Rhaegar's sister, but I am Rhaegar's son. I am the only dragon that you need." {The Lost Lord ADWD}
Sorry guys, I really don't like Artie or f/Aegon. I hope he goes bye bye bye quickly in TWOW.
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Rhaegal kills Quentyn aka Frog
Jon kills Janos, who is described like a frog
Jojen & Meera Reed are called frog-eaters, which requires killing frogs
Hmmmmm ... just some food for thought
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On 9/3/2019 at 12:55 PM, The Fattest Leech said:
TMK Bloodraven tells the Frey’s he will deal with them later... bring on Nymeria and her wolf pack!!!
Or sounds like Bloodraven may make a stop at the Twins in ADOS ... should be interesting
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30 minutes ago, Seams said:
Treason / Tree son
AHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA
Sorry, this is too funny that it may accidentally be true ... but I'm just thinking of Bloodraventree and Craster
A Game of Thrones - Sansa V (to unlock the secret message, you swap Sansa/Joffery for Bran/3EC)
"Thank you, Your Grace."Sansasmiled, a shy secret smile, just for him. He was listening.Sheknew he would.
"Treason is a noxious weed,"Pycelle declared solemnly."It must be torn up, root and stem and seed, lest new traitors sprout from every roadside."
"Do you deny your father's crime?"Lord Baelish asked. -
6 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:
I posted that several years ago. Maybe I ought to toss it out there again...
No worries. I did learn something new. Perhaps Shaggydog & Rickon will be a "Shaggydog Story", just not the interpretation you have.
The concept of "Shaggydog Stories" doesn't involve death or being "futile" ... it involves "pointlessness" and "anticlimactic".
"Futile" is failure to achieve a goal.
A "Shaggydog Story" doesn't have a goal.
Example of a "Shaggydog Story":
- "Guess what I saw today? So I went to the supermarket today and I went the milk aisle, turned right to the soda aisle, then turned left to the beer aisle, and finally turn right to the pastry aisle ... and there I saw it! I saw a cardboard cutout of the Pillsbury Doughboy cartoon character bending over!"
- "And?"
- "And what? That's it!"
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Bad example of a "Shaggydog Story" is:
- "Guess what I saw today? So I went to the supermarket today and I went the milk aisle, turned right to the soda aisle, then turned left to the beer aisle, and finally turn right to the pastry aisle ... and there I saw it! I saw a cardboard cutout of the Pillsbury Doughboy cartoon character bending over! And then I died ..."
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Example of telling a proper story:
- "Guess what I saw today? So I went to the supermarket, and in the pastry aisle is where I saw it! I saw a cardboard cutout of the Pillsbury Doughboy cartoon character bending over! Under him between his legs, there was a sign that said "Grab these!". Under the cartoon cutout and sign, were boxes of doughNuts on sale!"
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22 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:
What? "Shaggydog story"? I never heard of that one.
Even so, the point of "Shaggydog story" wouldn't suggest that Shaggydog is going to die ... and Rickon's story isn't being dragged on anyways.*sigh*
I hope I don't get into trouble for this.
If you are reading this now and haven't read Top Secret Theory, it will be a real WTF below.
For those who have read it, you know the drill.
Spoiler Alert: Wordplay of Shaggydog, Rickon Stark & Osha:SpoilerShaggydog is about Shaggy and his dog Scooby-Doo.
Why do you think they hang out in the crypts so much?In the books, Rickon is named for Eddard's father Rickard.
Rickard is named for Richard Nixon
Rickon is named for Richard NixonRichard Nixon is a former USA president.
The only time where I found a direct connection between Shaggy and Richard Nixon is in the 1972 TV Episode: The New Scooby Doo Movies - S01E04 - The Frickert Fracas.
In this episode, Shaggy and a character named Jonathon Winters are trying to scare a man dressed as a scarecrow.
(Off-topic: When I hear "scarecrow", I always think of Bloodraven
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Shaggy threatens the scarecrow by impersonating Richard Nixon and saying "My fellow American, let me make one thing perfectly clear!"
I wonder if this symbolizes Rickon/Richard warging into Shaggy/Shaggydog?An actual quote from former President Richard Nixon in Ms. Magazine 1971: "Let me make one thing perfectly clear! I wouldn't want to wake up next to a lady pipefitter!"
I wonder if a woman like Osha, in modern times, would be employed as a pipe fitter? It's funny because Rickon/Richard would probably wake up next to her nowadays lol.
I wonder if modern-Osha would fit pipes safely under OSHA safety standardsAlso, it was President Richard Nixon that founded OSHA in 1970.
Bonus Theory:
Don't believe Rickon Stark is named after a US President/Politician?
Let's look at other male Starks: Jon, Robb, Bran, and Eddard.Well, I'm pretty sure Brandon is named after an actor.
And I don't think Jon is named after John Starks, a former New York Knicks basketball player from the early 1990s.Jon ... Robb ... Eddard (Ned):
John F. Kennedy ... Robert F. Kennedy ... Edward (Ted) KennedyJon Snow / Jon Arryn / John F. Kennedy were assassinated
Robb Stark / Robert Baratheon / Robert F. Kennedy were assassinatedThe Kennedy Family are American royalty
Just like the Starks are Westerosi royaltyFun Fact:
Did you know Arnold Schwarzenegger married into American royalty when he married Maria Shriver in 1986? Maria Shriver is one generation down: she is the niece of John, Robert and Ted Kennedy.
Their kids ... wow ... Schwarzenegger blood and Kennedy blood ... must be some awesome mix.
Too bad they got divorced.Also 'Lost Melnibonean', I don't believe in your Last Hero theory, no offense.
Just a gut feeling ... I believe Jaime, as half-brother to Rhaegar, will be our Last Hero when he seeks out the Children of the Forest with Brienne and their companions, AND kills them! Its to rescue Bran from the CotF. I'm just undecided where Bran will be held hostage at ... either Bloodraven's cave, the Nightfort (after Shireen gets burnt), or Winterfell (after Stannis is turned zombie). Also, Jaime is going to have his sword broken in the rescue attempt ... leading him to look for another sword of quality ... just a gut feeling. -
Osha is named for OSHA, a department within the United States Federal Government.
OSHA = Occupational Safety and Health Administration
Osha has been pretty compliant when she became a prisoner for the Starks.
When something is OSHA Compliant, it means it is safe.
So rest assure folks, even though Rickon & Osha have been missing for a few books ... Rickon, the last Stark male that can conceive a true-born Stark heir (assuming no Robb/Jeyne heir show up) ... will be safe.
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2 minutes ago, CrypticWeirwood said:
The reason it was so important for Jon to have been the so-called rightful king yet not come to rule is because it shatters the hackneyed hidden-prince trope, just like killing off Eddard Stark, his protagonist of Game of Thrones shattered that hackneyed trope as well.
It also proved Dany's whole life-mission goal to "take back" the Iron Throne because she was "the rightful heir" was always full of hot air.
Then when she tried to keep living what she now knew to be a lie, she outed herself as always having been on a mission of wrathful revenge, never of righteousness, because she had no such right but didn't care.
These were critical elements of the art form that Martin created. Lose that and you lose his messaging.
Jon and Dany get married, problem solved
Oh wait, D&D wrote this, every character has to be stupid so they can have a story to write.
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22 hours ago, CrypticWeirwood said:
What do you mean it meant nothing!!?? It meant everything! The entire endgame requires it be true. Otherwise the entire story meant nothing. It was critical that Jon not Dany was the real heir. That's why she freaked out. That's why he had to be the one to kill her. SO IT WOULD HAVE MEANING!
That's why he had to keep it secret and leave the kingdom. That's why his point about house words not being stamped on you at birth is so important. Otherwise Rhaegar's obsession with prophesy didn't wreck the kingdom and doom his family. And his Kingsguard friends. Or create Robert and Cersei. Everything is about this. Everything.
Honestly, this is what it was all always about.
I can't tell if you are serious or troll baiting ... but if the entire reason for D&D's R+L is for Jon to kill Dany and stop the Mad Queen, it is redundant because Tyrion can do it too.
IMO, if Tyrion killed Dany like the way Jon did, it would have been a better story than D&D's crap. He is the brother of the Kingslayer that saved King's Landing. He is an adviser to Daenerys like Jon is. Tyrion has killed a woman before in cold blood. Tyrion would be the better candidate to assassinate Dany than R+L would.
7 hours ago, Corvinus said:You know, in math those two are the same thing. Not sure where the big difference is supposed to be. Unless you're saying that GRRM asking D&D who Jon's mother was, and them answering correctly, simply proves J=X+L, where X is still an unknown
Well its not math technically, but its an incomplete formula. Let's take Star Wars for an example
- Luke = Anakin + Padme ... Luke's parents are Anakin & Padme ... true
- Anakin + Padme = Luke ... Anakin's and Padme's child is Luke ... incomplete ... There is another
- Anakin + Padme = Luke & Leia ... Anakin's and Padme's children are Luke & Leia ... true & complete
Okay now lets convert this formula over to ASOIAF
- Robb = Ned + Cat ... Robb's parents are Ned & Cat ... true
- Ned + Cat = Robb ... Ned's and Cat's child is Robb ... incomplete
- Ned + Cat = Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran & Rickon ... Ned's and Cat's children are Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran & Rickon
GRRM implied that D&D got J=R+L right, not R+L=J
And now with the new revelation, I guess D&D only got Jon = unknown + Lyanna
And oh God, please don't bring on the Jon Snow is like Jesus Christ and Lyanna was a Virgin theory
This ain't no Alyssa Milano's sex boycott! Lyanna was with Rhaegar and they got it on!
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I hope you guys aren't falling for GRRM's tricks.
GRRM never confirmed with D&D that R+L=J ... he only confirmed J=R+L ... big difference. It was a trick question for D&D and they fell for it.
And I am sure that GRRM kept tricking D&D, considering how simple they are.
I'm sure GRRM told D&D this ... D&D interpreted it like this ... but it can also mean this
- The North is no longer part of the realm, it is the Six Kingdoms now ... The North declared independence! ... the North was wiped out by the Others
- Even after the Others were defeated, a dragon attacks the innocent citizens of Kings Landing ... Dany gone Mad Queen, and starts killing citizens! ... it could be someone else's dragon
- After the destruction of Kings Landing is over, Dany dies in a conflict in the Throne room, and Bran is the last one standing ... Jon kills Dany in the Thrones room for attacking innocent citizens, and Bran becomes King now! ... GRRM's real ending of the real Westerosi Republic
I don't know ... I find it more plausible that GRRM tricked D&D by giving them truthful plot points ... but D&D failed terribly to interpret them correctly. Look at what D&D did with R+L in the TV show ... it meant nothing. Perhaps the real R+L in the books will mean everything ... including the end of the Others.
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11 hours ago, Talking Hodor said:
Are people still comparing the show to the books? They're two different stories. Just try to enjoy what you have. Otherwise the books are going to be awfully boring if or when they finally arrive.
Moreover, the books don't have a Night King yet. We have no idea what's in the Land of Always Winter. The books do mention Night's King, the Great Other, the Drowned God's nemesis, etc., and both show and book have Craster sacrificing children to the Others a.k.a. White Walkers. Plus if GRRM has any hope of finishing his story before he turns 130, he's gonna have to create an antagonist capable of being brought down by a deus ex machina or a Maguffin, as the shows did, seeing as how they're on a much tighter schedule than he is.
I think the story told in the show so far has been great. All the prophecies GRRM wrote don't necessarily have to be about the same person. Arya could be the last hero, Daenerys could be Azor Ahai, and Jon could be the Prince that was Promised. That's the thing with prophecy. It's much more enjoyable once everything has happened and the prophecy becomes obvious.
The last three episodes are going to be awesome for those who keep an open mind.
D&D can do their own thing. I will still watch it. Doesn't mean I have to like it. I just have no choice for a visual adaption of ASOIAF.
But anything GRRM will write for TWOW and ADOS will be much better than what D&D has. They are terrible at writing a logical script, with a million plot holes.
GRRM will be a perfectionist with his craft, and he will still keep the readers on the edge of their seats.
GRRM already branched off from D&D after Season 4, and I know why. It Bran & the Three-Eyed Raven plot line.
GRRM: "D&D, you guys are writing the Three-Eyed-Raven to be a good guy right? Ok, time for me to leave. Good luck!"
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Ygritte may be a homage to Brigitte Nielsen, who plays Red Sonja in the 1985 film.
Ygritte is a red haired woman warrior.
Red Sonja is a red haired woman warrior.
With the exception of Ygritte's height and crooked teeth, she is almost everything like Red Sonja physically.
Also from the film:
- Brigitte's love interest is played by Arnold Schwarzenegger
- After the two first kissed, all Brigitte kept thinking about were her vows
- They shared a waterfall cavern scene together (sorry, not a 'Jon Snow oh Oh OH' moment)
- The two have climbed a wall together (Jon & Ygritte) to assault the main evil villain's castle
- The villain's castle's outer walls are made of many carved faces (House of Black & White)
- Inside this castle, the villain has a very large pet spider (as big as a hound!)
- Elsewhere, there is also a gigantic statue of a samurai warrior, where people enter & exit under the statue's legs (Titan of Braavos)
- There is a group of fierce women warriors in the film (spear wives)
- There is a little boy prince that occasionally rides the back of a larger servant man (Bran & Hodor)
- Arnold and the large servant man have rescued the little prince by holding a door that is being pushed downwards from the ceiling
- The arrogant little boy prince has a catch-phrase where he calls his servant a "clumsy oaf" (Samwell Tarly has called himself a "clumsy oaf" once)
References and Homages
in General (ASoIaF)
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"He has to catch us first." The singer glanced up at poor Petyr. "And he can't hang us twice, now can he?" He drew a melancholy air from the strings of his woodharp. "Here now, don't soil yourself. All you need to do is answer me a question, and I'll tell them to let you go."
Merrett would tell them anything if it meant his life. "What do you want to know? I'll tell you true, I swear it."
The outlaw gave him an encouraging smile. [...]
{Epilogue ASOS}
This BWB scene using Petyr Frey's corpse to scare Merrett to talk reminds me of this scene from The Untouchables (1987) where Sean Connery shoots a corpse again to intimidate the outlaw into a confession.
"Don't! Don't! I'm going to tell you whatever you want! What do you want to know?!?!?"
RIP Sir Sean Connery. Thank you for this Golden Eunuch performance in this film, and in all the other works in the film industry that you have spiced up during your career.