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  1. Lluewhyn

    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Martin is saying that the purpose of a good King/Queen is to protect and serve their people. Anything else, and there is no easy answer or guarantee of success, no way for a potential ruler to point to the example of a previously successful monarch, emulate them, and still expect to get the same results. There are too many different dynamics each time, and understanding and making the right decisions will always be hard.
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    "characters who are perfectly nice"

    It's looking like virtually ALL of the main characters will be reasonably dark by the end of TWOW. Arya is obvious, Sansa will have negligently contributed to the death of a small child, Bran is mind-raping a loyal servant (possibly to the point of his death), Jon will probably come back from the dead with a lot less sympathy for many people's issues, Daenerys is embracing "Fire and Blood", Tyrion is on a streak of vengeance, etc. It remains to be seen how many will turn back towards the light in ADOS. I think Catelyn does get some hate (beyond the Jon issue) because she seems to be set up to be the go-to character for GRRM to kick-start the plot in certain points. She's one of the smartest Starks who always seems to have faulty information and trusts the wrong people, to her misfortune. And her misfortune seems to drive her plotline, because if you view LSH as a destination point for her character arc, then a requirement is for her to feel helpless rage and anguish due to failure after failure and loss after loss due to writer fiat.
  3. Yep. We have seen the feudal nature of Westeros leads to inevitable conflict, and it's stated multiple times that lords have to constantly reinforce their positions of strength to keep unruly bannermen in line. The Targaryens tended to fall into hubris assuming they were in charge because manifest destiny or something, not remembering that they were in power to begin with only because they had dragons. Add in the fact that the Targaryens were known for a lot of internal family civil wars (Maegor, Dance of the Dragons, Blackfyres), and it's no surprise that inevitably vassals are going to ask "Why are these guys in charge again?".
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    This might be getting into Death of the Author a little bit, but I definitely think that it was GRRM's intention that Sansa was complicit in Ned's death, which is why he wrote that she went to Cersei in the first place, and why Cersei flat-out tells Tyrion "Yep, couldn't have stopped Ned Stark without his daughter's bungling". So, perhaps the details about whether it logistically made a difference might matter, or it might not. Wouldn't be the first time that GRRM's intention in a story event didn't match the reader's understanding of the matter from what was on the page.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    Pate, Chett, and Varamyr are all POVs that seem to be pretty selfish, petty, bratty, and entitled.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    I believe Sweetsunray was specifically discussing Sansa's lack of empathy in AGOT, and says she gets better after she has her moment of truth realization.
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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    Something I noticed on a thematic level, is why Martin chose to have Brienne disfigured by Biter (part of her cheek eaten off, to evoke visceral horror). It's fairly well-known that Brienne defending the orphans at the inn is her response to the moral dilemma posed earlier about the knight at Saltpans who stays holed up in his keep instead of defending his smallfolk (similar to the dilemma that Will faces in the AGOT Prologue). Should someone sworn to service carry out that service if it's only likely to result in their death? What could he have done, one man against so many?" He could have tried, Brienne thought. He could have died. Old or young, a true knight is sworn to protect those who are weaker than himself, or die in the attempt. She then later elects to defend the orphans at the Inn against the remnants of the Bloody Mummers, knowing that she most likely can't defeat seven of them and could just slip away. So, if the story is saying that she is doing the right thing regardless of the consequences, there has to be a consequence. Otherwise, it cheapens her effort to have the story save her from this moral dilemma.
  8. The obvious one you're probably thinking of is the Unkiss. I would argue that the she's somewhat suppressing Petyr's nature and the meaning of Lysa's confession, because fully acknowledging it means that she acknowledges what kind of monster she's reliant upon for her own survival. Presumably, she will eventually address this issue and manage to turn the tables on Littlefinger.
  9. I agree with this somewhat, but I think that this was a writing issue that Martin didn't fully contemplate the consequences of this action. Even Joffrey bullying Micah could be explained away by Sansa's romanticism, her memory/rationalization issues, Joffrey being drunk, Joffrey just acting out a more aggressive form of similar behavior we've seen from nobles regarding the smallfolk, etc. In retrospect, it may have been better had Sansa taken up a distrust of Cersei from this incident (which would be more realistic), but still making up excuses for Joffrey as being better than his parents. Later on, she then goes to Joffrey to ask for intervention from being shipped away instead of Cersei, which might scan better to readers as asking your romantic hero to stop the two of you being separated instead of going to your Father's "Boss" to ask her to make your father do what you want.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    Without Sansa's life at risk, it's much less likely that Ned folds to Varys's pressure to confess and join the Black. That is explicitly the reason Ned eventually acquiesces, and it's uncertain about whether Varys could/would successfully lie to Ned about Sansa being captured (he's essentially lying to Ned about Sansa's risk of death, but he doesn't lie about Arya for whatever reason, maybe to avoid showing his true colors to the reader). It's only a short while later that Jaime is captured, and Ned goes from a "Hostage too valuable to execute" to "Holy crap, we need to keep this hostage alive for an exchange". Without Ned up there on stage confessing, there's less of an opportunity for Joffrey to play to the crowd (or be manipulated into it by Littlefinger, if you believe that theory), and significantly more ability for Cersei, Varys, etc. to circumvent a Joffrey order for his death. If Sansa and Arya escape on a ship, they are returning to Winterfell. Whether they are there or not for Theon's capture (or have any ability to change events there) depends upon a lot of factors, especially whether they are then further betrothed to solidify war alliances.
  11. Hard to say, because so much of their personalities were shaped by their experiences. If Dany was the older one, she might not have the same drive to "reclaim her birthright" that Viserys did, especially since that means she'll be subservient in status to her baby brother. In OTL, Dany was pretty apathetic towards returning to Westeros until a specific chain of events pushes her that way. If Dany is 20-something, why is she going to go along with a plan to marry Khal Drogo without an older brother forcing her? If not, would Illyrio really give her the dragon eggs?
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    Did Ramsay actually geld Theon?

    That could just be Ramsay toying with Theon, but there's also the part where Theon is with one of the washer-women: " He wanted to hit her, to smash that mocking smile off her face. He wanted to kiss her, to fuck her right there on the table and make her cry his name. But he knew he dare not touch her, in anger or in lust. Reek, Reek, my name is Reek. I must not forget my name. He jerked to his feet and made his way wordlessly to the doors, limping on his maimed feet." That's an odd thought to have. He won't touch her because he's afraid of the consequences, but doesn't say anything about the obvious "I don't have the equipment".
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    Euron will commit Dany's treason for blood.

    The treason for blood is fairly well-established and understood by Dany as Mirri Maz Duur. To have a new treason for blood, it would have to be something so heinous that Mirri killing Dany's child in her womb along with using loophole abuse to revive her husband as a vegetable would have to be considered "not that bad in comparison". I don't see that happening. To rephrase that, while there may be multiple technical treasons of each type (probably several for gold), there's going to be one over-riding one that's going to stand out and make the others seem inconsequential. I don't think that's possible with Mirri's "treason". (and regardless of whether the reader thinks Mirri was committing treason, Daenerys does, which is what's important).
  14. The eternal question. Some were supporting Rhaegar rather than Aerys, some were jockeying for favors (the best way to get new lands and titles is to be on the winning side of a war), and who knows about the rest.
  15. I'll agree to this. Plus Robb sending Theon to Pyke and Edmure leading his forces against Tywin at the fords, since they were both strongly advised to NOT do these things (by the same person), and these acts had strong repercussions for many people down the line. Of course, the series is rife with examples of people making mistakes that were completely in-character that seemed like good ideas to them at the time, such as virtually everything Cersei does in AFFC.
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