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  1. LordSeaSnake

    Why did Stannis marry Selyse Florent?

    I always assumed that Selyse was the next Florent eligible to wed and Stannis being wed to her was a warning to the Tyrells about remaining loyal to the new Baratheon dynasty, as the Florents are well-known for their desire to rule the Reach.
  2. LordSeaSnake

    What's Up with House Melcolm?

    Based on location, they could be bannermen of the Waynwoods. It's probable that the head of House Melcolm is aged or a young lord, explaining why the house is absent from the events in the Vale. It is probable that if House Melcolm is to appear in the series, it will be in The Winds of Winter, especially with the knights of the Vale gathering for a tourney for Sweetrobin. Perhaps we will finally see a knight of House Melcolm compete in the tourney in an effort to win himself a spot on the Brotherhood of the Winged Knights.
  3. LordSeaSnake

    What's Up with House Melcolm?

    I believe they were retconned into being a minor house. A Game of Thrones defined the major bannermen of each great house, but in some cases, these major bannermen have since changed. In The World of Ice and Fire, we are also provided a list with all the major bannermen for each great house, with some houses included in AGOT dropped, with others added. For example, for the Vale, TWOIAF lists the Royces, Waynwoods, Corbrays, Belmores, Graftons, Hunters, Redforts, and Templetons (as well as House Baelish, though this is due to Littlefinger's importance in the story). This list drops the Egens, Herseys, and Melcolms listed in AGOT, while adding the Graftons. Overtime, I believe GRRM intended for the Melcolms to be major bannermen to the Eyrie, but they eventually became forgotten and are no longer considered important. All the houses listed in TWOIAF have proven to have some importance or relevance in the Vale, while the forgotten three have not. The same thing happens with other regions as well. AGOT includes the Trants for House Baratheon, who have never been mentioned outside Meryn Trant. TWOIAF adds the Ryswells and Dustins to the Starks, as they were only previously given offhand mentions before they became major players following the Red Wedding. AGOT lists the Brooms (Broomes?) which are not included in TWOIAF, nor are they important in the novels. AGOT lists House Vyrwel for the Tyrells, which have only a single mention in The Mystery Knight and are not included in TWOIAF. The major bannermen of the Tullys, Martells, and Greyjoys has proven more accurate, with some additions.
  4. House Fossoway is counted as one of the major families in the Reach, with several Fossoways marrying into House Tyrell. In present day, we have Ser Jon Fossoway of the green-apples marrying Lord Mace Tyrell's sister, while Lady Leonette Fossoway marries Ser Garlan Tyrell. Another green-apple Fossoway also marries one of Lord Hightower's sons. In the past, we have Lady Florence Fossoway marrying Lord Martyn Tyrell, and according to MUSH, the lady mother of Lyonel Tyrell was also a Fossoway. Evidently, the Fossoways are a pretty important house, but I find it odd that we do not know who the head of the house is, or if the Fossoways are still lords. We have a Lord of Cider Hall during the Dance, but there are indicators that the red-apple Fossoways have been demoted to landed knights in the present day. The semi-canon A World of Ice and Fire app refers to them as landed knights, while Ser Steffon Fossoway (the heir to Cider Hall) is hoping Prince Aerion makes him "Lord Fossoway", either indicating that Aerion would give him land and a title (creating a cadet branch, which is odd since he is already next in line for Cider Hall), or Aerion would raise the Fossoways to lords. Is there any other lore indicating the present-day status of the Fossoways of Cider Hall? Are they lords or landed knights? Maybe they joined the Blackfyres, though I find it odd it wouldn't be mentioned in the Dunk and Egg series.
  5. LordSeaSnake

    Small Questions v. 10106

    Ibben was once ruled by a god-king, but is now ruled by a council of nobles and merchants. Each city in the Kingdom of Sarnor was ruled by a king, all ruled in turn by a high king. It's unknown if Saath, the surviving Sarnoi city, is still ruled by a king. By the beginning of ASOIAF, the Kingdom of Omber is still ruled by kings.
  6. I've listed the houses that are classified as main bannermen to the Tyrells in the appendix to A Game of Thrones and in The World of Ice and Fire. I was going to include the Beesburys, though Arianne regards them as petty lords, indicating they aren't that notable. The Reach House Tyrell: They are the ruling house of the Reach and are incredibly wealthy, currently only surpassed by the Lannisters. House Hightower: Easily the most wealthy and powerful vassal of the Tyrells, said to field thrice as many men as the rest of the Tyrell bannermen. The Hightowers control the wealth and trade of Oldtown, maintain a bank, service a moderately sized fleet, and are the patrons of the Faith and Citadel. Several of their own bannermen are seemingly on par with other bannermen sworn directly to a great house. Retained much of their authority and power from when they were petty kings. During the Dance, they could field over nine thousand men. House Redwyne: The next most powerful bannermen, a very wealthy house in control of one of the largest fleets in Westeros. They claim an older and more distinguished lineage than the Tyrells. Currently, their close relations with the Tyrells (with additional marriages to the Hightowers and Rowans) ensure a place of prominence among the lords of the Reach. House Rowan: Another major house of the Reach, the Rowans seem to control most of the northern Reach, as well as Goldengrove sits on a river that extends from the westerlands to Highgarden. They have produced several notable figures in the history of the Seven Kingdoms, such as Lord Rickard, Lord Thaddeus, and most recently Lord Mathis, who seems to serve as one of Lord Tyrell's main military commanders. They also claim an older and more distinguished lineage than the Tyrells. House Tarly: Probably close in rank to the Rowans, the Tarlys are described as one of the main houses of the Reach and they maintain rich lands and a strong keep. As marcher lords, the Tarlys have a strong martial tradition and can likely field a large amount of men, described to be at least several thousand during the reign of Aenys I. House Oakheart: The Oakhearts are another powerful family sworn to the Tyrells, seemingly maintaining a place of prominence throughout the Targaryen reign, though any specifics in strength or wealth has never been specified. Regardless, they are clearly an influential house. They also claim an older and more distinguished lineage than the Tyrells. House Florent: Described as a major house and a rival to the Tyrells, the Florents are regarded as wealthy and influential. While Stannis notes they can only field two thousand men, this may not include their bannermen. Additionally, their recent marriages tie them to many notable houses in the Reach, allowing the current Lord of Brightwater Keep to seek refuge at Oldtown. They also claim an older and more distinguished lineage than the Tyrells. House Fossoway: Also an old and powerful house, sitting on the fork of the Mander and the Cockleswent, allowing them to control two major rivers in the Reach. They also seem to nab several marriages with the Tyrells over the history of the realm, and even their cadet branch is successful in marrying into the Tyrells and Hightowers. Houses Crane/Caswell/Ashford: All three have been described as major houses in the Reach, though seem to lack the influence of the others. The Cranes notably have several rich marriages, though we lack a lot of information on the house. House Merryweather: Once a rich and powerful house, their fortunate declined a lot after Robert's Rebellion, though they seem to maintain some level of influence. House Mullendore: Also described as a notable house, considered one of the most powerful bannermen of the Hightowers. Lord Mullendore's marriage to a Templeton (a house of landed knights, though still powerful) was considered an exceptional match for the Templeton girl, indicating the wealth of the Mullendores. House Vyrwel: They are described as a major house in the appendix to A Game of Thrones, but we know next to nothing about them.
  7. LordSeaSnake

    House Belgrave

    I was thinking Iron Islands or the North, perhaps Dorne. Real talk, I'd expect from the stormlands.
  8. LordSeaSnake

    The Fossoways of Cider Hall

    I suppose this also explains how House Swyft went from lords to landed knights.
  9. LordSeaSnake

    The Fossoways of Cider Hall

    The only scenario that makes sense is that the Fossoways lost their lordship for siding with the Blackfyres. But I would expect that to be mentioned in the Dunk and Egg books. Additionally, why were the Fossoways demoted, but the Peakes, Reynes, Yronwoods, and Brackens were not?
  10. LordSeaSnake

    The Fossoways of Cider Hall

    Yeah, the green-apple Fossoways are landed knights. See Jon Fossoway is the Knight of New Barrel. But we don't know what the status of the red-apple Fossoways.
  11. LordSeaSnake

    SotM Davos Dayne + Nymeria

    The DVD releases of each season comes with Histories & Lore features about various aspects of the lore. Here is the one relating to House Dayne.
  12. LordSeaSnake

    SotM Davos Dayne + Nymeria

    In the lore for the show, Davos Dayne is actually the son and heir of Vorian Dayne, so Davos became Lord of Starfall after Vorian was sent to the Wall. Obviously this doesn't represent the lore of the books, but it may be the case.
  13. LordSeaSnake

    House Staunton

    That's actually super interesting. I always wondered what house that knight was from.
  14. LordSeaSnake

    House Staunton

    House Massey is a good one. Clearly a major house in the crownlands during Fire & Blood, but the only mention of the Masseys we have during the WotFKs is Ser Justin Massey, who was somewhere in line for inheriting Stonedance, and Wallace Massey, at the Night's Watch. Houses Merryweather, Darry, and Connington have also obviously suffered declines due to their ties to the Iron Throne. House Velaryon as well, but at least they appear to still maintain wealth and seem to be the most powerful of Stannis's initial lords. I wonder if Houses Hayford and Rosby are on their last legs because so many of their members died during Robert's Rebellion, like the Darrys.
  15. Definitely. Lord Redwyne even took his sweet time bringing his fleet to Lord Oakenfist. I assume the Florents did the same during the Dance.
  16. LordSeaSnake

    [SPOILERS] Family trees and successions

    Something interesting I noticed. Falena Stokeworth, Aegon IV's future mistress, is briefly mentioned in Fire and Blood. However, during the Dance of the Dragons, there is also a reference to Lord Stokeworth's son and daughter. His daughter is six years old in 130. Falena would be the exact same age. It's pretty interesting to see that Daemon was pushing for Falena to inherit Castle Stokeworth over Lord Stokeworth's son.
  17. LordSeaSnake

    Cost of Property In King's Landing

    He probably could have taken a last name and become a yeoman or lower member of gentry. He wouldn't have been ennobled.
  18. LordSeaSnake

    [Spoilers] Fire and Blood Errata

    Perhaps the Darkes was founded by Jonquil. And Lord Daemon is never mentioned to have died from the Shivers. He nearly did but recovered, but three of his daughters and second son died.
  19. LordSeaSnake

    [SPOILERS] Family trees and successions

    He isn't mentioned again.
  20. LordSeaSnake

    [SPOILERS] Family trees and successions

    Yeah, they wouldn't necessary be descended from Hubert. Perhaps an uncle or cousin of his. The Gulltown Arryns were mentioned to have intermarried with merchants in A Feast for Crows, so I assume they only maintained their connection to nobility from the founder of the cadet branch, but are otherwise simply wealthy commoners with surnames.
  21. LordSeaSnake

    [SPOILERS] Family trees and successions

    I wish we found out which house Sharra Arryn comes from, or who Ronnel's father was even. As for the Gulltown Arryns, I believe in ASOIAF, a cadet branch of a house is officially defined when a member of the parent house takes a new seat and sigil, departing from the parent house. So while Joffrey would have been from a lesser branch of House Arryn, he still could have been from the mainline, just distantly related. The Gulltown Arryns would have been established by a son or grandson of Hubert Arryn moving to Gulltown and forming an official cadet branch.
  22. One thing I kinda wish we had was more clarification on who was in the Kingsguard for each era here and there. For example, after Aegon I's Kingsguard is appointed, we don't find out the next full Kingsguard lineup until after Maegor's death. We have several Kingsguard members that we don't know which era they belong to, such as the Demon of Darry, Long Tom Costayne, and Ser Jeffory Norcross the Neveryield. At what point did Ser Addison Hill replace Ser Corlys Velaryon as the Lord Commander? Ser Raymont Baratheon wasn't even mentioned in Fire & Blood. Which two members of Aegon's Kingsguard died defending him? Which members where slain by Lord Rupert Falwell? We still don't know if Ser Gyles Greycloak and Ser Gyles Belgrave are the same person. Obviously this isn't a major issue, it would have just been cool to know. I would have loved if Fire & Blood included an appendix containing the small council and Kingsguard for every king, with the years they served (though I was also hoping for a complete family tree for the great houses and the Velaryons and Hightowers).
  23. LordSeaSnake

    [SPOILERS] Family trees and successions

    Septon Mattheus is noted to claim descent from the Gardener kings. I place money on him being a Florent. Speaking of the Florents, I found it odd that we don't meet any Florents despite them being a major house from the Reach. In fact, they are only off-handedly mentioned a grand total of two times in the book. And as it stands, House Florent is the only major house from the Reach that we don't know who's side they took during the Dance of the Dragons.
  24. LordSeaSnake

    [SPOILERS] Jaehaerys and Alysanne

    Aenys I knights Bernarr Brune after he slew Harren the Red, despite Aenys not being a knight.
  25. LordSeaSnake

    [SPOILERS] Family trees and successions

    That would make sense. In that context, we can also assume that Alan was the "son of Lord Tarly" that courted Princess Rhaenyra.
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