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You're right. Here is the wording: The Greens learned about Morning's hatching at the start of 131 AC but we do not know when the hatching occured exactly. My guess is that Morning was born in late 130 AC because one would assume such news would be spread rapidly after the birth. As far as we know Rhaenyra never learn about it. However, we know Rhaenyra received letters from Jeyne Arryn when she was staying at Duskendale in between her flight from the capital (~late 9th moon of 130 AC) and her death at Dragonstone (22th day of the 10th moon of 130 AC).
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That's a shame because the information presented here is pretty cool and it would flesh out nicely the little tidbits we known of the organisation of the royal household/the Crown's offices from the books.
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I'm not sure if I read this following passage correctly. Is House Codd despised/looked down by the other nobles ironborn because 1) they are descendants of salt wives and thralls like the others cited by Asha here or 2) there is another reason ? In ADWD Theon also reflects on House Codd's status. It seems that Answer 2 is the correct one. But Answer 1 could still be correct too, thoughts ?
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The quote from Edric's entry in AWOIAF from above.
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Thomaerys Velaryon reacted to a post in a topic: The ASOIAF wiki thread
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I've just checked as well. As I understanded it,Edric was already the lord when he became Beric's page at seven years old. Since Edric was born in 287 AC, he would have turned 7 in 294 AC and was still seven in early 295 AC. Meaning he moved to Blackhaven in 294 or 295 AC. Thus the maximum range of death for Edric's father is in between 286 AC (if Edric was a posthumous son) and 295 AC (if the father died when Edric was still seven but close to his 8th nameday).
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Yes. Or another possibily would be for Edric to have inherited his lordship from his Dayne grandfather or grandmother and it skipped Edric's father who did not outlive his Lord father/Lady mother.
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Can anydoby point to me a passage where it is said that Edric Dayne’s father was the Lord of Starfall ? I found a mention of him in ASOS Arya VIII but not of him having this title. If he was not a Lord then we should edit the ”House Dayne”, ”Edric Dayne” and ”Lord of Starfall” articles.
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Actually it does. GRRM has always refer to himself as a "gardener" in his writting process. He planted the seed for a rebellion that lead to Maekar's death in ACOK but it is only a decade later that he fleshed out that idea into the Peake Uprising. That's quite a bold statement when even to this day we don't know which camp (if any) the Royces took during the different Blackfyre Rebellions. So linking Walder Frey's marriage to a Royce to the aftermath of the Peake Uprising (a likely Blackfyre adjacent conflict) without tangible evidence is risky. Might I add that we don't even know when Walder's marriage took place or the year of Stevron's birth (233 and 234 AC are both possible). Walder and Perra could have married in 233 AC like they could have married 3 years earlier.
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I seriously doubt it. There are two references of Stevron age: first in AGOT he is simply "past sixty" and then in ACOK Big Walder says he was 65 when he dies. GRRM did not have a concret timeline of events like he has now back when he wrote the first two books. In fact the Blackfyres and Peakes stuff all came after those books were published, the Blackfyres were not invented before ASOS and the Peake Uprising and the siege of Starpike were simply "a battle against an outlaw lord" (ACOK, Jon I) at the time. At best GRRM can make details work in retrospective if he wants to. Otherwise, Stevron being born around the time of Maekar's death is pure coincidence.
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Thomaerys Velaryon started following Match the Maidens - 133 AC and Strange marriages
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As far as strange marriages not discussed here yet, we can talk of the Frey marriages. In a feudal system like Westeros a lot more is to gain/lose with a good/bad marriage for the heir or second child than for a 7th or 8th child. Big families put gradually less and less effort in marriages/betrothals as we climb down the family tree but Walder Frey seems to go against the flow and still manages some good marriages for his kin after all this time. While examining the Frey family tree, I think I have identified the reason for Walder's matchmaker success: Since he doesn't manage to get match with the topdog of the riverlands (exceptions: his Blackwood fourth wife, his Whent fifth wife and a Vance marriage for his eldest daughter), he either goes for 1) minor riverlands Houses who gain from marrying up (Vypren, Hawick, Blanetree, ...) or 2) important Houses from other regions where House Frey's origin is less stigmatized (Swann, Royce, Lydden, ...). Overall Walder did really well for his family in the marriage department and even achieved his ultimate goal by having his daughter marrying a Tully. One thing I'd like to know more about is Walder's first wife Perra Royce. We don't know Perra's relation compare to the Lord of Runestone at the time but regardless it is a pretty good match especially if his father's reputation was a bit tarnished after the Second Blackfyre Rebellion's debacle. It seems Walder married a bit late for an heir as he was 25 or 26 when his first child was born (Stevron).
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Royce Baratheon was named after his maternal grandfather Royce Caron and has no relation to House Royce. I'll give you that Royce Coldwater is actually a vassal of the Royces, so there is a connection here. As far as the other Royces (Blackwood, 2 Bolton and Caron) there is nothing. If I were to associate Ambrose Butterwell with a House from the Reach, I would chose the Peakes or Costaynes any day over House Ambrose. Yes exactly, GRRM gave an interesting story to the Four Storms but not to Ellyn herself. If anything Ellyn is actually the most boring one out of the four. She just made a comment about her breasts to a child one time. That's litterally the only thing we know about her on her own and not as part of the group. At least we have some info to differentiate her sisters: Cassandra was the oldest and the ambitious one but had to give her ambitions up at the end and lived a quiet life away from court and politic. Maris was the second born and the cleveress. She came up with a zing on the fly against Aemond and ended up a silent sister. Floris was the prettiest, a sweet and frivolous girl. She got hitched like Cassandra but unlike her, she did not got a happy ending. Also two elements are not enough, you need more if you want your readers to pick up on a pattern. I'm sorry but linking consciously or subconsciously Ellyn Baratheon and Ellyn Reyne together does not work.
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Nope, Arnold was a squire at Runestone in his youth which created ties with House Royce. The Masseys and Targaryens's ties just before the Conquest could have been created in a similar way.
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Joffrey became the heir as Jeyne's last testament was read after her death. From a legal point of view Arnold was the heir up until that point. Maternal lines interviene very rarely in this story and only if it is convenient. You can speculate on maternal line if you want but it will not give a lot of result, there are simply too much unknown. No they only have better ties with the Targaryens rather than Durrandons. We do not know what those ties were (marriage, economic, friendship, fosterage, ...). It could be as simple as Triston Massey was fed up with the Durrandons and liked Aerion/Aegon Targaryen more.
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Jeyne Arryn died in 134 AC, there was no issue in the Vale to resolve in 133 AC since Ser Arnold was the clear her heir. It is only when her last testament was made public after her death that the conflict started. Why ? Just because they have the same surname ? If anything, it is Ellyn Baratheon that has more chance to be named after Ellyn Caron since Baratheon's mother was a Caron. House Woodwull is a very very minor family being only a landed House on the island of the Paps and vassals of House Elesham. So minor in fact that Henrietta was the last maiden presented to Aegon III. A Woodhull marriage would change nothing for an important problem such as the Eyrie succession. The lineage of House Targaryen is pretty well documented up until the Dance, I seriously doubt any of those had some Targaryen blood. The Mooton being on the coast and close to the Crownlands make them the more likely House of the three. So maybe there is a drop of Targaryen blood in House Mooton via a Velaryon marriage or something. The Smallwoods are relatively minor House being the vassal of the Vances. However, they seem to be respected for their martial prowess being in the first line of defense in case of a westermen invasion. I don't think the Smallwoods are powerful enough to be considered a strong candidate for a Targaryen king. In fact when Alyssa Velaryon proposed to wed the young King Jaehaerys with one of the Houses loyal to Aegon the Uncrowned she cited the Vances but not the Smallwoods despite both having fought for Aegon. The Hayfords are probably the closest House to King's Landing geographically speaking and they have an history of loyalty towards the Targaryens but I would not put them as serious candidate for a Targaryen marriage. The Stokeworths, Rosbys and Darklyn seems all three to be more powerful. All good possibilities. I agree with you here. Not all the poeple sharing the same first name must be related you know.
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@Ran Is there a reason for the Images portal to not be included in the Community portal like the rest of portal pages (Chapter Summaries, Characters, Houses of Westeros, Timeline of major events, Geography, Culture, TV Show) ?