Thomaerys Velaryon

@The Grey Wolf Good point. Although by 101 AC he was already forgotten by most. Munkun was chosen as Grand Maester in 131 AC and left the Citadel, he would have known who the Archmaesters of the time were.

Jon puts three of his men in the ice cells after they try to rape wildling women, and we don't hear about them after that. I guess it's possible the "four living men" are those three and Cregan if Cregan's men took the black.

@zionius You are the master when it comes to little mistakes. I'd like to run something by you before putting it in the Errata. In ADWD Jon X: Cregan Karstark comes to Castle Black with four mounted men-at-arms, one huntsman, and a pack of dogs. One of Karstark's men is killed after shooting a crossbow quarrel at Ty. Cregan and his men are taken captive and put in ice cells below the Wall. Cregan + 4 men-at-arms + 1 huntsman - 1 killed = 5 captives in the ice cells In ADWD Jon XIII: When asked how many prisoners are in the ice cells, Bowen Marsh says "Four living men. Two dead ones." (the two corpses were brought back from the weirwood grove north of the Wall in Jon VII). Did one of Cregan's men died during his imprisonment and we never heard of it ? Or did GRRM made a mistake ?

Meizo Mahr is an eunuch in service to the Lysene pirate Salladhor Saan. Lysono Maar is the Lysene spymaster of the Golden Company. Is there a relation between the two ?

The fact that some characters, like Lyarra Stark, have such a big birth range is due to the fact we have little to none information on them except for the family trees. I agree that makes things a bit ridiculous sometimes like you said @The Wondering Wolf but we can't do much better for now. That being said, @Lord Corlys Velaryon if you still intend on reducing the birth range for Lyarra, may I suggest you use the same processus we used for Dorna Swyft, which was to put 52 years old as the maximum age for birthing a child (see Dorna Swyft's birth range). Lyarra's birth range thus changes from 203/250 AC to 215/250 AC. It's not much but it's something.

As the wiki uses the same format as Wikipedia articles (duh!), I thought it would be a good idea put in parenthesis the age of characters at the moment of their death (when we know it) just like Wikipedia does for article about real people. So far I've only indicate it for characters whose age at death is clearly stated in the text. Those characters are: Lyman Beesbury (80), Corlys Velaryon (79), Pycelle (84), Jaehaerys I Targaryen (69), Alysanne Targaryen (64), Little Walder Frey (9), Gaemon Palehair (9), Jasper Waynwood (3), Lyanna Stark (16), Aemon Targaryen (son of Jaehaerys I) (37), Viserys I Targaryen (52), Aegon III Targaryen (36), Aegon IV Targaryen (49), Rhaenys Targaryen (daughter of Aemon) (55), Aenys I Targaryen (35), Aegon I Targaryen (64), Viserys Targaryen (son of Aenys I) (15), High Septon (Aenys I) (53), Garth VII Gardener (93), Garth X Gardener (96), Maester Aemon (102), Osric Stark (70), Qhored I Hoare (90) Harwyn Hoare (64), Daemon Velaryon (son of Aethan) (88), and Laena Velaryon (27 as she was born in late 92 AC and died in early 120 AC). Did I miss someone ? Would it be appropriate to add characters for which there is only two possible ages too ? For example, Eddard Stark was born in 263 AC and died in 299 AC, this makes him either 35 or 36 years old when he died depending on whether or not his nameday had already occurred (probably not in his case as he died early in 299 AC).

@The Grey Wolf The Greens and blacks are fixed (Roger Corne, Titus Peake, Harwin Strong and Gyles Belgrave). I didn't put Lyonel Strong as a blacks as I feel we don't have enough information on him; we don't know what his interactions with Alicent Hightower, Otto Hightower, Aegon the Elder, and Rhaenyra were like. We only know he didn't like Daemon as he adviced Viserys I to excecute him after he allegedly took Rhaenyra's maidenhead.

@zionius I'm more concerned about the spelling MaRches vs. MaTches rather than the "the" missing, the Carons are Marcher lords from the Dornish Marches afterall. As far as I know they are not associated with matches unlike the candles of House Waxley for example. Did I miss something ?

@zionius Lord of Matches really ? Sure it isn't Lord of the Marches rather ?

I don't know if you had time to look at the problem since but he still persists.

That's a really good point. Everything seems to indicate Rhaella died in between 73 and 101 AC then.

If so, I wonder if Rhaella survived all the way to the Great Council of 101 AC (she would have been 59), because Fire & Blood tells us the assembled lords discussed 14 claims but only cites 13 claimants. Maybe Rhaella was the 14th claimant.

Cassandra was the oldest and according to Borros she had not flower yet in 129 AC. Either Borros doesn't know what he is talking about, or the girls are more on the side of being early teens.

If I remember correctly, I raised this point in the past. At the time @Rhaenys_Targaryen said the text does not permit us to refute the possibility of Boremund being a widower in 80 AC, and thus Borros being born before 80 AC. The text says:

I wasn't asking anyone in particular, the question was addressed to whoever want to answer. I was just wondering if that would be okay with everybody if I specify the description of the Rowan's sigil on the wiki. That's all.

Do you agree that the golden tree on House Rowan's coat-of-arms is an apple tree ?

Are Jhiqui and Irri sisters ? Or are they not related but simply share the same backstory ?

I have also noticed the same thing. For example, House of the Dragon.

Fair enough. I just thought since it was the last battle of the war, and she became pregnant with Glendon at that time, she probably did not travel far.

Where is it said that the Pussywillows (the brothel where Penny Jenny goes to after the Redgrass Field and where Glendon Flowers was raised) is located in King's Landing ? This information is used in the wiki pages for Penny Jenny and Glendon Flowers. And in the page for the Pussywillows, however, it notes the location is unknown but there is a redlink category "Places in King's Landing". If anything, the entry for Penny Jenny in AWOIAF as "the riverlands" for her place of death. So I would place the Pussywillows somewhere in the riverlands (probably near the border with the Reach and Crownlands as to not be too far from the Redgrass Field, whose precise location is also unknown) rather than King's Landing. Also the Pussywillows had an old squire that lived nearby to train young Glendon but no knight to knght him until Ser Morgan Dunstable of Tumbler's Falls (a place known to be in the riverlands) showed up at the brothel one day. If the Pussywillows was in King's Landing, Glendon wouldn't lack of squires and knights around to train and knight him. What say you, people ?

I have never thought of Daemon being attracted to men as well as women, what makes you think that ? Which male(s) character(s) do you think Daemon had a thing for ?

@Chista Done.

Loren's heir and the Redwyne girl are mentioned as having married not being betrothed, there is no debate about their marriage. Given that they are mentioned amidst an enumeration of betrothal/marriages between important Houses, I'm guessing GRRM simply did not think of the ramifications of what he was writting. I mean it has already being pointed out in one of your own post, how messy the early Hightower and Stark family trees are. That's the center of the issue, we are dancing on technicalities here. Unless @Ran has some more information or GRRM tackles the problem himself, we will never know for sure. That sure wouldn't help to resolve the issue. One thing that also intrigues me is Lyman's sons. Why was it his bastard son, Ser Tyler Hill, who courted Princess Rhaena and not his trueborn sons from his wife Jocasta Tarbeck ? Did the Lannister really thought the daughter of a king would marry/succumb to the charm of a bastard. Surely one of the legitimate sons would be more successful than Tyler, no ? Unless those legitimate sons were too young at the time due to Jocasta being Lyman's second wife after the Redwyne girl. Food for thought.

This line comes from the Westerlands section of The World of Ice and Fire, not the Targaryen kings section. Its omission from Fire & Blood, a book focusing on the Targaryens, is not strange. This quote does not confirm any relation between Loren and Lyman, but at least it is consistent with the idea of Lyman being born after the Conquest.

To me the « one generation » thing is between the ones who fought during the Conquest Loren Lannister/Aegon I Targaryen and the following generation. As Rhaena and Aegon (grandchildren of Aegon I) and Maegor I (son of Aegon I) are mentioned in the passage, I doubt the « one generation » refers to the Targaryens. It’s probably best to wait for Ran’s input, but I’m with LordSeaSnake on this one: Lyman was the son of Loren born after the Conquest Tyrion refers to in AGOT Tyrion II.