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  1. This reminds me of the phrase "nation building on the cheap," during the Iraq War years. Usually it meant underestimating the work it would take to rebuild a society after destroying it unprepared for a long, clostly, bloody insurgency no plans for long-term occupation strategy of quickly "bombing targets" and leaving
  2. Yeah, it's obligatory for fantasy novel cardboard which is why it could easily be skipped. "dark evil that threatens the land" "people must band together to fight against it, or die" Not interesting to me at least.
  3. I prefer if he stays dead - or, if he was never killed at all. GRRM just has an axe to grind with Tolkien about Gandalf and that's a stupid reason to write in a death/resurrection. I think she had to work at it, but in the books she is being guided by Littlefinger to engage with ALL the lords, the ones who like her and the the ones who don't. She's literally in the thick of it in the Vale, wearing any damn floppy ears that they want her to. She's playing dutiful daughter, doting cousin, charming bastard, quiet steward. The show omitting this was stupid but I could still see they were trying to make up for this in Winterfell. She's giving Jon shit for giving up their independence, pushing back against the dragon queen who wants to be their overlord, making sure they have enough supplies and food, looking out for their well-being even after the battle. I liked that the Lords were prickly and I liked that Sansa had to wrangle with them. This is how things should be accomplished most of the time - through hard work - and violence should be used sparingly.
  4. If she survived, she should at least have a lot of burns. Dany should be looking pretty grotesque at the end of all of that.
  5. Right. To make this more consistent with the theme of Sansa as a dangerous madwoman, Book!Sansa should have stared in fascination as Joff strangled to death and belittled him. "He was no true lion, strangling cannot kill a lion." And of course this couldn't just be an isolated incident. Sansa's default state would be to solve everything with violence, from here on out. No but for real, this was a D&D scene so the actors can "shine." It shouldn't stop your ability to see the book themes already in place. A Sansa vs. Dany juxtaposition exists in the books. True empathy is helping your captors/enemies, like Sansa helped Lancel when he was wounded. Or people who don't worship her as a new leader, like Dontos. Most of the time, when Dany helps someone, there is another component. She also gets power (a slave army), or she gets to assuage her own guilt (the price of the throne, staying in Meereen), or she expects them to be on her side (obligations). Dany's challenge is to have empathy for her enemies and help people without any other obligations. Sansa has shown she can do that. They are mainly foils, with a few similarities here in there. We'll see how Jon reacts to killing the assassins. My guess is that he'll feel a weight, and won't enjoy it. In the show, he tells Sansa he hanged a boy as young as Bran. He acted that scene like he was disgusted and said he was done killing. Later, he's questioning his actions even when he kills a mass murderer and is still unsure if it's the right thing. Also a juxtaposition to Dany. In the books, even when she was disturbed by the people she crucified, she whisks it away! If Dany had killed Jon she'd be like "he was no true dragon." And the bloodthirsty people would have cheered. Those people don't want fiction that challenges their base emotions, they just want blood.
  6. So leaving Meereen would appear to do the same thing. So leaving Meereen would appear to do the same thing. Dany is also turning masters into slaves. Very contradictory. She was solving Meereen's problems, by governing. She ended slavery in Meereen even with her dragons chained up. Her biggest problem will be leaving. Effectively throwing her work in the trash.
  7. The place that is hell on earth? That's a terrible example. It's where a former slave turned the masters into slaves and the highborn boys into unsullied. Weren't you arguing that such a thing would never happen? Somehow I think your answers are a bit too wishful. "You can have the power to destroy but that doesn't give you the power to reform, improve, or build." What you're proposing is that the author write the opposite of the principles he's stated - that she destroys and improvement magically happens just because she destroyed things. The key is governance (Aragorn's tax policy). Which she isn't doing. If you think "leaving it up to the freedmen" is the way forward, we're shown why that's too simple. It's also giving Dany a free pass on responsible rule so she can fly off to another continent. Who knows what cities might rise to power in the future? It's a huge region and no one will be there to enforce rule of law. History isn't a straight line. Slavery came back after ancient Rome. There's also something to be said for the cycle of destruction - see Ghis/Valyria. If Dany destroys these cities it's just a repeat of that.
  8. Volantis Qarth Tyrosh Lys Myr Mantarys Yunkai Meereen Astapor all the Dothraki the quasi-slave cities of Pentos and Qohor Is she going to precisely burn the "master class" across a dozen regions and cultures? Is it going to be obvious from dragonback, who they are? It's not called weapon of mass precision.
  9. That could be a parallel. I do think rage against one assassin or one dwarf is smaller than a whole city or population though. Dany's rage has scale. Also there may have been rage against locking her dragons up. The full context of the "price of power" is her seeing the dragons chained, thinking about them as children, then thinking about real children (Hazzea)
  10. Interested in Nymeria because I like her refugee story and I hope we get to see water magic vs. fire magic. Action scenes of Nymeria herself or her water witches drowning a few Valyrians to protect Ny Sar would be cool. Too bad they left that book scene out with Tyrion in the show, it could have connected. We'll also see Valyrians being absolute shit heads. Flea Bottom also sounds interesting. They could humanize the people of city Dany destroyed.
  11. Catelyn Stark brought me here; Tyrion made me want to leave.
  12. When GRRM talks about this plot he's mentioning things like the U.S. nuclear arsenal. If he goes for a historical example he talks about Obama dropping bombs on ISIS. Not the Haitian revolution. It's always about the limited power of WMD to build a successful society, and how the lesson is that ruling is about more than the power to destroy. The focus is on the aftermath and what laws Dany comes up with. If it's just bombs away, then run away, she deserves to fail.
  13. Dany not wanting to look at "the price of power" is hugely important, I wouldn't write it off. There are times when she confronts it, and other times when she doesn't. I think the first ride on Drogon is the latter. I find it ironic that her first dragon flight is when she's closing her eyes to what's happening. When she closes her eyes on Drogon's back, he lights up innocent people.
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