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  1. I think who is on what arc is debatable and every fan has their own opinion on it. I think these characters are having a messy time of it and instead of putting them on a simple redemption arc it will be a lot less clear about if they were redeemed and by whom. In other words we'll be left with redemption questions for most of these characters. Only 1 or 2 will get a clear cut one.
  2. Barristan thinks "he spent the better part of his life serving drunkards and madmen." He knows he's wasted his life but he is not consumed by regret, because he can always fall back on keeping his oath and doesnt have to live with stigma like Jaime. It is a bit of an unfair situation.
  3. Brienne and Sansa - both offer moral clarity on what a knight should be. Both would agree "It's always summer in the songs. In the songs all knights are gallant, all maids are beautiful, and the sun is always shining." Both romanticize kings/princes (...sorry but Renly was saving Brienne's cloak for Barristan). Both memorize all the singer's songs by heart and have a sweet innocence about them. Brienne gets her dream ripped away from her just like Sansa and both starts to ruminate in darker thoughts. "There are walls around this one higher than Winterfell's" / "he met a wall of sullen courtesy as icy and unyielding as the Wall he had walked once in the north" Cat's thoughts about Brienne being ostracized and keeping her distance apply to Sansa in King's Landing after she's marked as a traitor and married to Tyrion.
  4. Quentyn and Dany. Quentyn arrives in Meereen too late. Dany will arrive in Westeros too late. They see their journeys as a quest in which they're the hero. Both have a somewhat romanticized view of what awaits them there.
  5. Yup, agreed on it being the right thing and questioning obedience is #1 in a story of feudal mind slaves. But readers have noted that a lot of things seem to have aligned for Jon to get what he wants in this plotline. He gets an out to attack Ramsay like he wanted. He has freed Arya. He doesn't even care in the end about his NW brothers...he says he doesnt need them. That doesnt sound like he feels much conflict, to be honest. True, he has to pretend he doesn't have a sister but that keeps slipping. The doubts he has leading up to this mostly hinge on whether sending Mance was the right thing or not because of the word of Mel. I mean the decision on how to handle Ramsay and Hardhome simultaneously. Why off screen? If it was difficult, shouldn't we see this? As with many decisions Jon makes, he just seems to blaze on through and regrets later.
  6. In regards to Davos I think he will crash land on Skagos as they lure him into a trap for wrecking: I would like to see Skagos brought into the Northern fold. They probably suffered after the North cut them off centuries ago.
  7. If Jon had silver hair and purple eyes Ned could just spin some story about visiting a whorehouse in Lys.
  8. I dont know. I can think of harder decisions that he will have to make. And Is it "duty" when its something he's wanted to do for a long time? He will absolutely relish punching in Ramsay's face. And the "what to do with Ramsay's letter" part was pretty easy. If that part was so difficult, the author would not have written it happening off screen.
  9. I agree with all of this 100% and laughed at the Jon bit. I think its his turn to be blind to people's faults.
  10. Yes, and love of whom? Duty to what? These things are just going to get more complicated and overlapping. It was relatively easy to choose killing Ramsay, it wasnt that hard of a test for him.
  11. Pairing? All I said was that Jon cares about all of his siblings and has violated oaths and loyalties for his family. Since he's already done it for Arya, Bran, Robb, Rickon - I think he'll do it for Sansa as well. It's really not that big of a deal. If folks hate Sansa and want Jon to burn her alive they should just say it.
  12. Because that's how authors write stories? To make characters conflicted and to make the conflicts hard. No it does seem like the author is interested. He defended Sansa's birthright against threats from Stannis and refused to recognize her Lannister marriage. Apparently he did it multiple times. Sansa is also right there along with his other siblings when he reads Ramsay's letter.
  13. I think he will get to the point where he’s fucked up so much that he want to hide as a little person like Penny. He will see the appeal in Penny’s simple life and want that, only to be yanked back into ruling. I think GRRM is going to put him to work when it’s the last thing he will want at that point. That’s why it’s a form of redemption. Tyrion is his history buff and political wunderkind. It’s Tyrion Stu. I don’t think that many characters are on redemption arcs. When fans say “this ending destroyed X characters arc” it’s a bit presumptuous. Maybe they were wrong about the arc in the first place.
  14. I’m speaking from a Doylist perspective. All of Jon’s siblings exist to put him through similar tests Aemon had to go through, aka the heart in conflict. Jon took similar risks for Arya as he did for Robb, Rickon, and Bran. Stating this doesn’t undermine Jon and Arya’s special relationship.
  15. From this, to the way he talks about black Targaryens, to his most recent appearance at the Hugo’s, I think GRRM is becoming an example of what unconscious bias looks like. History told through the travelers tales is Eurocentric anyway. Like we need more stories told through the eyes of the conquistadors.
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