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  1. Tywin was at war and he was killing an enemy leader, the biggest threat to the kingdom, and his commanders. Was it dishonourable? I think so. But being honourable doesn’t win wars, being ruthless and cunning does. Tywin did what needed to be done to halt the secession of the North. Whether Robb was justified in seceding is another question entirely, but in the eyes of the Lannisters and the Throne Robb was a rebel lord and nothing more, and was dealt with as such. Roose and the Freys broke their vows to Robb respectively. However, Tywin swore no vows to Robb and owed him nothing. Roose and Freys broke their vows in exchange for the various boons offered by Tywin. The Boltons and Freys had the means, motive, and opportunity, all Tywin did was offer them the opportunity to get away with it and *probably* helped plan it. “Tywin didn’t start wars, he finished them.”
  2. If Pod does have ulterior motives, he may be working for Varys. There is lots of reference to Podrick being tongue-tied, which could allude to Varys’ little birds typically not having tongues. However, it is probably just a reference to Ilyn Payne losing his tongue.
  3. I find Jalabahr Xho pretty imteresting. I also liked Jacelyn Bywater the Ironhand. Jason Mallister I am into and I hope he will become more important later on. I also like Justin Massey as well as the knights Creighton and Illifer.
  4. 1. Roose Bolton is an Other 2. X is the YMB (IMO it is Cersei herself) 3. Jonsa
  5. Tywin Lannister. Tywin brought the Westerlands prestige and power after undoing his father’s weakness. He quickly made sure he was secure in his position as Lord Paramount and had authority over his vassals. Note how in all regions there are overmighty or ambitious bannermen (Hightowers, Boltons, Yronwoods), except in the Westerlands. Also, Tywins’s entire tenure as Joffrey’s Hand was spent building alliances for the future, and finishing the war quickly. The only thing I think he could have done better was giving relief to the smallfolk, especially in the Riverlands.
  6. If you are into historical-political stories, I would recommend a few. You may like these if you are more interested in the political machinations of ASOIAF like me, rather than the fantasy side. I would recommend the Cicero trilogy by Robert Harris (Imperium, Lustrum, and Dictator). I’ve only read the first one, Imperium, and I haven’t been able to get hold of the others due to the pandemic, but it was a great read. It is set in the Roman Republic, and follows the life of Cicero, in his journey to become Senator. However, the entire story is told from the point of view of Cicero’s personal slave, which I found interesting. I would also recommend Conn Iggulden’s series Wars Of The Roses, set in the period ASOIAF is partly based on. They follow several POVs through the Wars of the Roses, and are a great series. Also, I would recommend Blood and Beauty, by Sarah Dunant. I was a bit cautious at first, since the book is set in Renaissance Italy, which I was not much interested in. But they were great books, very similar to ASOIAF, with multiple POVs, plenty of political games and a fair bit of war too. The book follows the rise to power of the Borgia family, with the patriarch Rodrigo, a Cardinal at the book’s beginning, and his children, who all have distinct personalities and motivations. This one I would recommend the most highly. For a shorter read I would recommend Dissolution by CJ Sansom. It follows a lawyer as he attempts to unravel a murder at a monastery in Tudor England, set in the period where Henry VIII was preparing to dissolve all the monasteries in the country. It is more of a mystery book than the grand historical narratives from Wars of the Roses or Blood and Beauty, but it proves that you don’t need kings or lords, or massive battles to tell a compelling story. If you are into fantasy more, I would recommend His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman. They are fairly well known, but if you don’t know, they are about a world similar to ours, but containing different elements of science and magic.
  7. I started reading the series in summer 2017. I usually run out of new things to read every few months, and that’s when I reread the series. When I do my rereads, I don’t do it with any specific objective in mind, and I always read the entire book rather than just focusing on one or two POVs. I think I’ve read the series about 5 times. I’ve read Knight of the Seven Kingdoms twice, and the World book 3 or 4 times. Fire and Blood I read once. I usually use the wiki just to refresh myself on things that get posted about here, mostly stuff from historical Westeros, which I don’t know as much about as the main series.
  8. The topic is about Arianne Martell’s POV in A Feast For Crows. She and a group of friends attempt to crown Myrcella as queen to start a succession war and incite the Dornish people. Myrcella had been sent to Dorne by Tyrion back in A Clash of Kings. Arianne argued that under Dornish law (younger male children do not inherit before older female children) Myrcella was queen. Arianne and her party tried to take Myrcella to Hellholt, where they hoped to get support from Lord Uller. However, they were intercepted en route by Areo Hotah, Prince Doran Martell’s captain of the guard. Areo captured Arianne and Co. and Ser Arys Oakheart (Kingsguard and Myrcella’s sworn shield who was coerced into helping by Arianne) was killed by him. Gerold Dayne, a member of the conspiracy, attenpted to kill Myrcella, but she survives, albeit disfigured. Somehow Areo and Doran knew where the group were, with Areo remarking “Someone told. Someone always tells.” The main suspects are those in Arianne’s conspiracy. Andrey Dalt, heir to Lemonwood. Garin, an orphan of the Greenblood from the Planky Town. Sylva Santagar, heir to Spottswood. Gerold Dayne, called Darkstar. The punishments each member receives may provide clues to their possible betrayal. Dalt was sent to Norvos in Essos to serve Doran’s estranged wife Mellaria. Sylva was married off to Eldon Estermont, Lord of Greenstone, scion of an impoverished Stormlands house. Garin was first sent to the island prison of Ghaston Grey, but was later sent for two years to Tyrosh. Gerold Dayne escaped after his attempted murder of Myrcella and is being hunted by the Kingsguard Balon Swann. Hope this helps!
  9. Yeah you’re right, I forgot about him.
  10. The North - House Manderly, due to their wealth and power, however they are a southern house so they may not be accepted. My second choice would be House Thenn/Karstark since they have blood ties to the Starks. The Riverlands - House Mallister, they are one of Riverrun’s most prominent bannermen. It can’t be the Blackwoods or Brackens because of their feud, and I wouldn’t want the Freys. Iron Islands - House Harlaw, Rodrik is smart and not warmongering like the other Ironborn. The Westerlands - House Crakehall, or Marbrand or Brax. A difficult decision since most of the Lannister bannermen are on relatively even footing and do not have many distinctions. The Vale - House Royce, they ruled before and Yohn Royce is a good lord. The Reach - House Rowan or Oakheart. Both are descended from the Gardeners and are very powerful bannermen. The Stormlands - House Swann. Dorne - House Dayne, they are ancient and well respected and wield Dawn. House Yronwood may be good but them supporting the Blackfyres during many of the Rebellions may cause division.
  11. Brienne - Lord Commander Jaime Lannister Barristan Selmy Sandor Clegane Garlan Tyrell Loras Tyrell Balon Swann
  12. I don’t think Ned would have been a good ruler, he is not politically savvy enough. Tywin is brutal, and would be hated by the people of King’s Landing and any Targaryen loyalists for what he did during the Sack. At the point of AGOT, Jaime and Cersei are too self-absorbed. Tyrion would be mistrusted by the smallfolk, and Robert is gluttonous. We don’t know Jon Arryn’s tenure as Hand went firsthand, the realm seems prosperous, but the Crown is deeply in debt. Varys would definitely not be trusted by anyone, and is not even Westerosi. Petyr Baelish is lowborn, and also untrustworthy. The Tyrells have too much self-interest. Stannis would be a just king, and he is a great commander, but he will need to win people’s love first. Renly or Doran might be good as well.
  13. I think Nymeria is probably in the Riverlands still, but if we hear of an increase in wolf attacks in the North, then that may mean she has moved. Nymeria and Arya will probably meet up again at some point, and since I think Arya and Stoneheart will meet again then I am more inclined to think Riverlands. Also, small note, should this topic be moved from World of Ice and Fire subforum to General ASOIAF?
  14. 1. Conquest - The Kings 2. Dornish War - Dorne. I am not really a fan of aggressive Targ expansion. 3. Aenys 4. Faith Militant Uprising - Targaryens 5. Great Council - Rhaenys 6. The Dance - The Greens. I think the Great Council set a precedent of who can take the Throne. 7. Second Dornish War - Martells 8. The Blackfyre Rebellion - Targaryens 9. Robert’s Rebellion - Rebels. Aerys needed to be stopped. 10. War of Five Kings - Stannis. It is my opinion he has the best claim. 11. Mance’s Attack - Night’s Watch 12. War in the North - Stannis 13. Slavers’ Bay - Dany 14. Kingsmoot - Victarion. IMO “No godless man may sit the Seastone Chair”. 15. Final Kings - Stannis
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