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  1. "The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM) https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_Ice_Dragon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ice_Dragon ISBN 978-0-00-811885-3 This book (about 120 pages) was published way back in 1980, but it contains features that may be ancestral to features in A World of Ice and Fire / A Game of Thrones. It is set on a remote farm in a nation at war with another nation (in the northern hemisphere), with no firearms, and both sides have a force of armed dragon-riders. The ridden dragons are about 5 times as big as a horse, but there are wild dragons much bigger. The central character is a girl called Adara, who was born with and keeps some Wight-like characteristics including tolerance to icy cold, but she is fully alive (not "undead"), and she remains friendly with her relatives. She becomes friendly with an ice dragon. Later, she and the ice dragon play an important part in events. The book refers to the far north as "the land of always-winter" - a name that reappears. The book describes life forms made of animated ice :: compare the Others of WoIaF.
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    "The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM)

    Thankfully, nobody nailed anyone to a wall or raped anyone in the version of "The Ice Dragon" that I have.
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    Last part of Season 1 Episode 10

    This end part (Dany and the pyre and the birth of the 3 dragons): is on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ubcEV1V0R4&list=PLxs8sC_ZcV3p3Zsn0FcIjaw76a0xqz17D&index=18&t=0s Is described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(season_1) The Youtube version does not show Dany walking into the pyre, but Wikipedia says that she did walk into the pyre. I suspect that these Youtube versions of the movies have been heavily edited/cut. Did the full version show the explosions as the 3 eggs hatched?
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    "The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM)

    Also, "Old Laura in the next village, who knew things that happened before anyone else was born" may be part of a thread leading to the Crone in the Religion of the Seven.
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    Fire and Blood

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_%26_Blood_(book) http://www.georgerrmartin.com/grrm_book/fire-and-blood/ How many of you have read this book?
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    Do you think we will ever see Valyria?

    Likely the Smoking Sea smokes because the Fourteen Flames vents are still there and erupting underwater. I wonder if they will erupt so much more new ejecta that the Smoking Sea will become land again?
  7. I saw somewhere that, when choosing a word to use to tell a dragon to breathe fire, when Daenerys was training Drogon and Rhaegal and Viserion, she chose the High Valyrian word "dracarys" (="dragon fire"), because it was a word not likely to be casually accidentally used by people near the dragon. But that reason would not have applied in Valyria before the Doom, where many people commonly spoke High Valyrian. Thus I suspect that in Valyria before the Doom, there was a set of commands, distinct from Valyrian and from all other languages spoken in the area, which were used only to command dragons. Likely by the time that Daenerys reached the Dothraki Sea and got her 3 dragon eggs, the Targaryens in exile in Westeros, in the war for the throne after Jaehaerys I died, had lost so much of their Valyrian dragon-training lore that they had forgotten the old dragon-commanding words. (Compare that in real-world India and southeast Asia, there is/was a set of commands used only to tell trained elephants what to do, e.g "hmit!" = "lie down on your belly!".)
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    Language used to give orders to dragons

    "as long as its consistently used" :: And as long as the command word is not also an ordinary language word likely to be casually used by coincidence by people around.
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    Puns and Wordplay

    So much untranslatable play on words will NOT be appreciated by people who have to translate the books into foreign languages.
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    Do you think we will ever see Valyria?

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    Do you think we will ever see Valyria?

    I read about someone who went to Valyria island on a rowboat and came back away safely with some valuable artefacts.
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    Abilities of mages

    If someone wants to write GoT scenario fan fiction, and involve mages in the story, he would need to get the magical abilities of GoT mages reasonably correct. Likely, some people who have read the Harry Potter series, would rely on it for such information, and it would easy for those people thus to get the abilities of mages wrong for the WoIaF / GoT scenario. I have read through the book "A Game of Thrones", and I found in it not much about what mages could do. Is there any argument for or against GoT mages being able to do these:- (1) Cast a stun spell, on one person, or on a whole crowd? (2) If the mage is near someone who is speaking, to detect if the speaker is lying? (Whether or not "the truth" means "what the speaker believes to be true".)
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    Fire and Blood

    GRRM's new book Fire and Blood (about the Targaryen dynasty) says that after death Targaryen family members were cremated rather than buried; and that at the funeral of a dragon-rider, his dragon was often called on to light the funeral pyre. Clearly the time-duration and power needed when used for that purpose, would be much less than (e.g.) a full long blast against an enemy fort. Likely, the plain order "Dracarys" must have come in many variations acccording to what job it had to do.
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    I am sorry if I am too far from topic, but would it be useful to start a discussion about the chess-like board game called cyvasse which is mentioned in A Dance with Dragons? https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Cyvasse https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=cyvasse In particular, to discuss and clear up the many differences between the various attempts to write a complete set of rules. One query is: does cyvasse have catapults and also trebuchets as two sorts of pieces? This seems to depend on one piece of book text about cyvasse that mentions catapults and also trebuchets. To me, that may mean one of: (1) Catapults and also trebuchets are two sorts of piece. (2) Catapults are trebuchets, one sort of piece, and the evidence has been damaged by that literary nuisance called "elegant variation" which encourages writers to use two or more words for the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elegant_variation
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    That older thread's last message was in September 2014. That thread has been archived and closed. It ran to 17 pages. I saw a set of rules where the pieces have ranks 1 2 3 4 etc, and if a piece's rank is x, then it can capture any enemy piece whose rank is (x+1) or less. I am tempted to offer a rule that the dragon can fly over the heads of pieces between, but as it descends and lands it is vulnerable to attack by pieces near where it lands. Are there any takers for an idea that a dragon flying could pick up and carry (on its back sitting behind its pilot), one man of the sort who can walk on foot carrying all his kit (king, rabble, archer/crossbowman, spearman)? The man carried would have to move to an adjacent square when the dragon has moved and landed. Some sets of rules seem to have a rule that a catapult can kill a piece without moving to where that piece was. Is there a piece representing a man who is expert with a sword but is not on a horse/etc? The term "Rabble" to me suggests a poorly-trained new recruit.
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    "The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM)

    The Land of Always Winter in WoIaF/GoT canon may be part of a big north polar continent, like Antarctica but the other way up. Adara's wight-like cold-bodiedness let her ride an ice dragon safely, which ordinary warm-blooded humans could not do. To me it seems that, in The Ice Dragon, after the main events, Adara developed a normal warm human blood temperature like her family had. That is shown, because at the end afterwards she could not any more handle ice lizards safely. The Ice Dragon was written way back in 1980, and there need not be any detailed history continuity from it to WoIaF. On page 22 The Ice Dragon says "Dragons cannot stand the cold, so when winter fell Hal and his wing would fly south." Here, "fell" means "started", but note the later WoIaF/GoT placename Winterfell.
  17. I am reading "A Feast for Crows", and in it I read about the efforts of someone who knew textbook High Valyrian to make himself understood in one of the west Essos ports where the population spoke a derivative of Valyrian. For a real-world analog, compare Classical Latin with very early French as seen (called Gallo-Romance) in the Strasbourg Oaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oaths_of_Strasbourg
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    Uses of dragons

    In the story as I know, dragons are largely used as a major weapon of war. But between battles they need to be kept in training. That raises the possibility of using them for routine flying patrolling. Even when they were not allowed to make flame, they would be useful, e.g. to patrol over main roads spotting from above for wandering gangs of thieves - often a serious problem in the old days, as is clear in the real world in the Laws of Ine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ine_of_Wessex passed by King Ine of Wessex (in England) in Anglo-Saxon times. (Ine's Laws #13 says that a gang of thieves is called "thieves" if there are up to 7 of them, and a troop if there are from 7 to 35 of them, and an army if there are over 35 of them.) When the gang is spotted, the dragon-rider could fly quickly to warn people and raise the alarm and tell the local lord where to send his armed men to catch the gang. (In the Eragon film, there was talk of Eragon flying Safira in routine patrolling watching for nomads marauding out of desert into farmed land.)
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    Uses of dragons

    > but an army would be spotted at a distance of 5 miles It depends on what adaptations are in dragons' eyes. In the real world, there is a strong muscle ring in the iris of an eagle's eye, and when it contracts, it squeezes the middle of the lens out of shape, so that the middle of the image enlarges much, and that lets the eagle zoom its vision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_lens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A day or 2 ago I came across on the internet what seemed to be a street procession scene including two ridden GoT dragons walking (on their back feet and the wrists of their wings). That brought up the query: when a GoT dragon stands on the ground, how far apart are the wrists of its wings compared to the size of the dragon and the width of the main roads in King's Landing? (Presumably it can fold the hand parts of its wings upright out of the way.)
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    An unexpected Game of Thrones reference

    I found a Youtube video about someone using a movement detector operating a water-squirter to keep cats away from a breeding nest of a pair of native birds. The nest fledged two young -- and the family at the address named the two young as Drogon and Rhaegal.
  21. I am in England. I saw today a wildlife TV program called Springwatch. It showed disputes between 3 pairs of peregrine falcons for possession of a nesting site on top of Salisbury Cathedral. It said that one female peregrine was acting like Circe Lannister and that another female peregrine was acting like Daenerys Targaryen. - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Among Tolkien fans, I have heard persistent complaints about bookshops putting Tolkien books in their science-fiction areas. Have you come across bookshops doing that with Game of Thrones scenario books?
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    Abilities of mages

    I am starting to read Book 3, and I found where a big heavy stone had been made magical so that it could be made to reveal a secret entrance. Mirri Maz Duur seems to show a good skill at medical magic.
  23. After the determined campaign by the usurping dynasty to kill all Targaryen descendants, the matter may arise after the book and series events of preserving Valyrian blood in the Targaryens' descendants, for reasons discussed here and there. https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Mirri_Maz_Duur Given Mirri Maz Duur's proven medical abilities, would it possible for a suitable mage to bring an old man and an old woman (both Targaryens) temporarily back into condition to start and have a baby (or twins)? The woman would need strong magical help also for the birth.
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    Horse Archers/ Missile Cavalry in Westeros

    One answer, I suppose, is for nations that have trouble with Dothraki or similar, to develop their own horseback archers.
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    Who is Quaithe?

    See https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Quaithe