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  1. That's not what I said. I said having the first year before the Conquest not last a full actual year would defeat the purpose of having a Before/After (BC/AC) system. Events before his coronation being dated AC to ensure 1 BC and 1 AC are two full years wouldn't be stranger than Jesus being born 6-4 BC.
  2. What day of the year the coronation was is inconsequential. If there's no year zero and it was in the "fourth moon," the first through third moons would also be considered part of Year 1. If there was a year zero (which wouldn't make any sense in this instance) the coronation would be Fourth moon 0 AC while the first through third moons would make up the entirety of 1 BC, and 2 BC would be only half a year in the past. This of course defeats the purpose of a Before/After dating system.
  3. It's unlikely that GRRM intends a "year zero" considering he uses "BC" dates counting backwards. Astronomical year numbering does count backwards with a year zero, but that is only for computational reasons, something I don't think the Westerosi would consider. Other calendars in real life with year zero (Hindu and Buddhist calendars for instance) are based on eras, so say if we started year zero today, it would be January 29th 0, but yesterday would still be January 28th 2024, not January 28th 0; 2024 would only have lasted 28 days (plus a few hours of January 29th) in this scenario and would be considered the last year of the previous era, while 0 would be the first year of the new era and would be missing 28 days. A notable example of year zero in fantasy worldbuilding is The Elder Scrolls, whose timeline is split into eras. 2E 896 is the last year of the Second Era, and 3E 0 is the first year of the Third Era. They don't count the years of the Second Era backwards.
  4. That means he holds two lordships, not that he's the head of two houses. That Petyr still holds his Vale lands in the name of some lord doesn't mean this either. William the Conqueror was both King of England and Duke of Normandy, thus both a sovereign and a vassal to the King of France, but we don't consider the House of Normandy at that time to have been two separate houses. House Baelish could split into two houses if Petyr had sons, and one of them inherited Harrenhal and another inherited the tower on the Fingers. The Baelishes of the Fingers would then be a cadet branch of the Baelishes of Harrenhal. But currently that is not the case.
  5. Dragons keep them from getting sick. The ones who died of disease didn't have dragons. Regarding Daenerys, who died of the Shivers: "Near dawn, Jaehaerys bolted to his feet shouting that a dragon was needed, that his daughter must have a dragon, and ravens took wing for Dragonstone, instructing the Dragonkeepers there to bring a hatchling to the Red Keep at once." Regarding Aenys: "the boy was small at birth and sickly. He cried all the time, and it was said that his limbs were spindly, his eyes small and watery, and that the king's maesters feared for his survival. [...] And the prince was slow to grow as well. Not until he was given the young dragon Quicksilver, a hatchling born that same year on Dragonstone, did Aenys Targaryen begin to thrive."
  6. This is applying real-life expectations of what might happen, to a race of magic elves in a fantasy story. Moreover you're missing the point: the "evidence" against the Doctrine of Exceptionalism always involves a Targaryen marrying outside the family, then their children marry each other, and then their offspring show undesirable effects. It's never simply incest = birth defects. Whether there were regular marriages "back there somewhere" is beside the point. What would be the literary purpose of giving one of the Targaryens a birth defect if it's just a regular birth defect that has nothing to do with the fact that his parents are siblings? That's what I think GRRM is getting at by giving Jaehaerys a six-fingered hand. More specifically, I think he's suggesting that such traits would never manifest if the Targaryens didn't outbreed. Alicent's non-immune genes muddied the bloodline. *One instance of full sibling incest (his parents Jaehaerys II and Shaera) after 3 successive generations of outward marriages (Aegon V to Betha Blackwood, Maekar to Dyanna Dayne, Daeron II to Myriah Martell). I think you might have misunderstood what I said? Maybe my wording was confusing. So in simple terms, Valyrians are immune to the negative effects of incest. They start to lose this immunity once they add normal people to their family tree, for the same reason not everyone distantly descended from House Targaryen can easily claim a dragon (see Quentyn Martell and a few unfortunate dragonseeds). They've failed to "keep the dragon blood pure."
  7. The thing about that evidence is that it always involves regular marriages first. Aegon II and Helaena producing six-fingered children can simply be a result of Hightower blood incesting, rather than of Targaryen blood. Aerys II (assuming his madness is caused by incest) is a product of Targaryen incest that occurred after generations of regular marriages, thus it could have been caused by his Martell/Dayne/Blackwood genes mixing in ways they shouldn't mix.
  8. What in the books indicates that Littlefinger created a completely new House separate from the original House Baelish? He has new lands and arms but that doesn't mean he founded what the article describes as a "cadet branch." He was already Lord Baelish, he isn't a younger son.
  9. I've created redirects for all the dates we have sections on in the Years before/after Aegon's Conquest pages. As for 248 AC I don't think anything has been mentioned as happening in that year, so there's nothing to redirect that to and if we had a page on it it would be empty.
  10. I think the difference is that "Barrow Kings" refers to the unnamed dynasty (therefore the article title should be plural) while "King of the First Men" is the title they held. Merging them would be like merging "House Gardener" and "King of the Reach."
  11. If we consider the name "Clegane's Keep" semi-canon because it appears on maps from HBO's Game of Thrones, what about newly named characters in House of the Dragon such as Simon Staunton, Allun Caswell, Reggio Haratis, Hobert Hightower, Beric Dondarrion, and Lucas Blackwood? Or the alternate name for the Kingdom of the Ifequevron, "the Footprint," which also appears on HBO maps?
  12. That's because I changed it earlier. I'm just double checking now.
  13. According to The Citadel Joffrey's coat of arms is Lannister and Baratheon, in that order, thus the Lannister side is in dexter while the Baratheon side is in sinister. However the COA on the wiki has been the opposite for years, and I'm wondering whether that's because of contradicting information in the books or if it's simply an error influenced by the TV show flipping it. I am also wondering if we should opt for a different design for the Targaryen dragon, since the one we use now is the one from the TV series, designed without the "breathing flames" part in mind (the flames were omitted in the show), so the flames that have been added to it are so small you can't see them when the image is scaled down to fit lists and infobox headers, and that's how it's displayed the vast majority of the time.
  14. I think all pages should be titled by their most commonly used name. For example we have like 3 mentions of "Aegon I Targaryen" in the books but more than 60 mentions of "Aegon the Conqueror." We already do this on some pages (e.g. Greenbeard [32] / Pello of Tyrosh [1]). So I wonder, why not also nobles with epithets and nicknames?
  15. Maybe he just pulled up a calculator and put "33 - 60" without thinking about it. Something to ask him whenever there's an opportunity to
  16. Could have been changed from late May to early June for all we know. Probably not gonna affect its premiere date by much, if at all
  17. I wonder why, though. By their own choice? They had to at least have been contacted about House of the Dragon and the other spinoffs. Not that I'm complaining that they're uninvolved
  18. A new house was just listed on The Citadel: House Polander. The only info is "A house created by GRRM but not yet appearing in the novels." Did GRRM just now take contact about this, and if so why? Could it have something to do with Winds?
  19. How come the House Yelshire blazon says "a black chief," yet both on the wiki and the Citadel it shows a white chief?
  20. Have we gone over that one scene with Boremund yet? In the tourney scene in episode 1 Rhaenys calls Boremund Baratheon "cousin." In the books he's the brother of her mother Jocelyn and thus her uncle, and also the half-brother of Jaehaerys I and thus her granduncle. Not really a cousin in any way significant enough for her to address him as that. He's Corlys's cousin if anything. The script says Boremund is in his 40s, and the episode takes place in 112 AC, meaning at the oldest he's 9 years younger than his book self and at the youngest he's 18 years younger than his book self. Possible explanation: the TV series added another generation of Baratheon between Rogar and Boremund. Jocelyn (still the daughter of Alyssa Velaryon) is Boremund's aunt, not sister. Therefore Boremund and Rhaenys are first cousins.
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