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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Well, just because Trump happens to be a singularly terrible president doesn't mean 'bad' people can't make 'good' leaders in general. There are plenty of examples from history, and not just from the medieval era - Thomas Jefferson is actually the first person who comes to mind for me.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Err ... I don't quite follow? Though there's a GRRM quote to the effect that Trump is neither a good ruler nor a good person.
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    George Martin and idea of kingship

    Tbf it's pretty true to life. A lot (even most) of the great rulers/conquerors/generals etc of history were not fabulous people, morally speaking.
  4. 1) Dragons do not even come close to having the destructive potential of nuclear weapons. 2) Even if they did, there is a serious argument to be made in IR that nuclear weapons have actually made the world safer. Certainly, disastrous great power conflicts have declined to 0 since their introduction.
  5. Feel like they're coming out with this now because of all the bad press GoT has been receiving in the past few days.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    ? I meant it was potentially good (depending on what you see as good) in the sense that it signifies that she could be a player. Sansa's manipulation of her memories is quite similar to what LF does. Neither of them are psychopaths. Psychopaths have no ability to feel empathy at all, which is clearly not true of Jaime or Sandor. The indisputable psychopaths of ASOIAF are Gregor, Ramsay, Roose, etc tier characters. You don't need to be a psychopath to be a bad person. And yes, both of them are bad people, but so what? You think GRRM would build up these complex, morally grey characters and then not have them interact with the "good guys" at all, because some "Sansa stans" don't trust them to protect Sansa (as if that's the point of the story)? Where's the dramatic tension in that? He "lost that chance?" Obviously I can't say until the books come out, but I would be willing to bet money that Sansa and Sandor meet again. This is a relationship that was introduced in Sansa's very first chapter. I'm of the opinion that all relationships set up in book one will have some sort of payoff (that includes not only Sansa-Sandor, but also Jon-Arya, Jon-Tyrion, Sansa-Cersei, Jaime-Cersei, etc) because that's how good stories work, and unlike D&D George is a good writer. You build something up, you have to pay it off. As it happens, I think the logical conclusion to his arc is that he ends up as Sansa's "dog" in the same way he was Joffrey's dog (so in a platonic way). That was set up with the "get her a dog" thing from Robert. I thought the general consensus was that Stannis would reclaim Winterfell in TWOW. Sansa still has a lot of stuff to do in the Vale, plus there's the whole fAegon situation throwing a wrench into LF's plans (full disclosure: I think Sansa will at least temporarily marry fAegon). Sansa's whole arc has been building towards her being a player in the "game of thrones," and the game has never been more complicated than it is at the end of ADWD. Why would George catapult her out of that situation now? Ok, I'm gonna stop you right there. Foreshadowing what now?? Again, all of this sounds like a huge reach. Waymar Royce as a stand-in for Jon? Want to point that GRRM quote out to me, because to me Waymar's description reads like the standard "Northern look" (plus, if you want to go that far with grey eyes, Sandor also has grey eyes lol). The "Sansa's heroes" things is even more ridiculous. If you go by that logic, then Sansa calling out for Florian the Fool means that she secretly wanted to bang Robb. And just because they both want children, doesn't mean they will have them with each other! You mentioned the trajectory of the show earlier. If this 'fated' sibling romance was meant to happen, then why was it never even hinted at in the show? What the show actually suggests will happen is Jon/Dany. We already know that Jon will not become king, so that foreshadowing is bunk right off the top. D&D would never miss the chance to include more sibling incest. They apparently loved Jaime and Cersei so much that they changed Jaime's story completely to portray the twincest in a romantic light. If Sansa and Jon were meant to end the story as king and queen of Westeros the D-boys would've jumped at the chance.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Personally I always interpreted the un-kiss as a parallel to Petyr thinking that he f*cked Cat (when really it was Lysa). He seems to genuinely believe it happened, or at least wants to believe it happened so badly that he concocts a false memory. Same with Sansa. Yeah, she has a history of romanticizing things, but I don't see how adding a kiss to this scene shows that there is "good in the world." Logically, if Sandor had actually kissed her at the Blackwater wouldn't that have made it worse? His actions are already assault, adding a kiss just bumps it up to sexual assault. I don't think it's as simple as a coping mechanism; just like Petyr, she embellishes her memory to match her fantasy world. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. It shows that Sansa has the potential to reach LF levels as a player in the game - the best liars believe in their own lies, etc.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Lolwut. How is Sandor a "serial killer type?" Serial killer types in ASOIAF are like Ramsay Bolton or Gregor Clegane. Total psychos who kill for the hell of it. Sandor is like Jaime, in that he enjoys killing people in the context of war/battles. Is it a great quality to have, in a modern context definitely not, but it makes sense for a warrior in a martial society.
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    Canadian Politics: Revenge of the small minds

    Probably Lib+NDP government, or maybe even Lib+NDP+Green. Best case scenario so I'm satisfied. Also, Justin should send a bouquet of flowers to Dougie lmao.
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    Canadian Politics: Revenge of the small minds

    Lots of channels calling a Liberal win.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Uh, I think you're painting the Hound as much blacker than he actually is here. He commits terrible acts on orders from his employers but he doesn't "rape and kill" just for the hell of it - that describes his brother, not him. Jaime actually doubts that Sandor committed the acts attributed to him in the Riverlands, because, in his words, "Gregor is the real monster in House Clegane, not Sandor." And Jaime probably knows him really well, considering how much time they spent together in King's Landing. With Darkstar, I think the problem is less that he doesn't have a backstory and more the fact that he comes off as really lame and hammy, like a villain from Pokemon or something lol. Dude is a walking meme, not a character. Do you really think GRRM is going to write the rest of the series solely focused on "Sansa's well being and happiness and no one else's"??? Of course it wouldn't be a straight romance, it's fucked up! But the man loves his dramatic and fucked up romances. If the TV show can be taken as a guide, pretty much all relationships except for Sam & Gilly end in disaster. I doubt the character who wanted a fairytale romance more than any other will actually receive it in the way that she dreamed of.
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    Canadian Politics: Revenge of the small minds

    Just voted. Would've preferred to vote NDP but meh, they have no chance in my riding. It was an unexciting election overall but I prefer that to the existential elections in other countries lol.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Duh, because Dontos is already dead and Sandor is still alive lol. As for "bad boys," well once again I think GRRM was being cheeky in saying he doesn't understand the appeal of characters like Jaime, Sandor, Theon, etc. They were clearly written to be sympathized with to some extent. He himself says that Daemon is his favourite Targ, and he can easily be lumped in with those guys in terms of moral unscrupulousness. Daemon is also established in-universe to be a womanizer so I think he understands the appeal of such men to (some) women perfectly fine. As for Darkstar, well he doesn't get half the attention because he is just not written as well.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Yeah, Meribald had no idea who the Hound is. Broken man was GRRM making a point about the nature of war. He said recently that it was the thing he was most proud of writing, which I don't think he would say if it was just a monologue about a specific character.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    He would do anything for Arya. He's already died for her in canon. But is it established that he would do "anything" for Sansa? Or for that matter, Bran? He clearly loves Arya more than his other siblings and IIRC he even states that outright. But when Stannis informs him that Sansa has married Tyrion, he doesn't have much of a reaction. He thinks more about how he's surprised that Tyrion killed his father, which implies he still has positive feelings about Tyrion, despite him knowing that he married his sister and in all likelihood raped her as well (because such a marriage couldn't be consensual). I also fail to see the "Jonsa" foreshadowing. Also, Dany the female Stalin?? WTF.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Maybe through the eyes of Nymeria. I highly, highly doubt she will be physically present for RW 2.0. I also see no reason why Sansa would go north so soon. There's no outlet up there for her newfound political skills. Re: songs, once again songs are often melancholy. "Being a song in the end" doesn't imply that Sansa (or anyone) gets an ending that fulfils all her childhood dreams. As for who best represents the morals and ideals of ASOIAF... that person is clearly Brienne, not Sansa IMO. "No chance, and no choice" is hands down the most heroic act in all the books.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Well agree to disagree then because I think it's much more likely that Jaime and Brienne will encounter Sansa before they do Arya. I don't think Arya will be anywhere near the Red Wedding 2.0 when it happens.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Her "one and true hero?" How about Jaime and (especially) Brienne, who are intent on finding and 'rescuing' her?
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Yeah, but songs are sad and melancholy as often as they are happy. "Jenny's Song" is sad. The songs about Aemon and Naerys are presumably sad as well. On the topic at hand, a romantic Sansa/Sandor plot that ends in tragedy would definitely be worthy of a song. Personally I believe the meaning of a "Song" of Ice and Fire is that every major character in this series will ultimately be immortalized in song. Not that their lives will literally mirror a children's song.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Well, yes, but that doesn't mean the rest of the series will be Sansa wish-fulfilment where all her childhood dreams come true, either.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    @Nagini's Neville I think the 'marriage' foreshadowing is just (possible) foreshadowing for a romantic relationship, not an actual marriage. The Sansa/Sandor relationship is too inherently twisted to get a happy ending IMO. Re: Arya, her insecurities specifically revolve around being considered inferior to her sister for not being a 'proper lady' which is why I feel it would be traumatizing for her to see Jon in a romantic relationship with Sansa but not another woman. In her mind Jon is the only one who accepted her completely despite her tomboy personality. Him turning around and hooking up with Sansa is like confirmation that, wait no, your sister really is superior to you, even to the person you love most in the world. @Elegant Woes The Ashford Theory relies on the fact that Joffrey is perceived as a Baratheon, despite actually being a Lannister. fAegon is a Blackfyre but everyone will think he is a Targaryen, which is all that matters. I read the post you shared but it seems like "if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail" thinking to me, and apparently most of the respondents in that thread agree with me. IA that the Sansa/Sandor relationship is messed up (in more ways than one), I just disagree that it would stop George from writing it. Their relationship up to now has direct romantic overtones in a way that goes beyond, well, Arya said "marrying a king" was more like Sansa, therefore Sansa will definitely marry a king, and that king must be Jon for reasons (despite the fact that we know from the show that Jon will not be king). I also doubt that he will present brother/sister incest as a "happy ending." And I agree with @Lyanna<3Rhaegar, there is no way around Jon/Dany.
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    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    If Sansa is to have a relationship with a Targaryen prince, isn't it more likely to be fAegon? I know this is the book forum but George consulted on the show, so I can't see Jon/Dany as anything but inevitable. The Jon/Sansa stuff seems like a huge reach to me (interpreting Sandor giving his cloak to Sansa as a hint for Jon/Sansa? Really?) compared to the obvious parallels between Jon and Daenerys plus, you know... the fact that they were an item on the show. Not to mention, Jon/Sansa would undermine the (platonic) Jon/Arya relationship that is probably the most important and emotional in the entire series. Arya has been told her whole life that she is not as good as her sister. She still has a complex about it as late as ADWD. Imagine her reaction to even her beloved brother choosing Sansa over her? (I know, love relationships aren't the same as sibling ones, but in general they are more intense and take precedence over the latter). As for Sandor, well George mentioned him alongside Theon and Jaime as characters he "didn't expect to be popular." Personally I think he was being a bit cheeky because I don't see how it's possible to write Jaime's chapters with the depth, humour, and introspectiveness that he did and not expect him to be popular! It's not surprising that morally grey anti-heroes/anti-villains/whatever you want to call them are popular with fans, because they have been in every fandom I've been a part of and I'm sure a long-time nerd like GRRM is aware of that lol. I also don't see why a potential relationship has to be "endgame" to happen. The author clearly prefers writing romances that are tragic and/or dramatic (Rhaegar/Lyanna, Daemon/Rhaenyra, probably Jon/Daenerys as well because I doubt D&D came up with Jon killing Dany themselves) to those that are merely 'cute.' Sansa/Sandor is more likely than Jon/Sansa on that basis alone (although I think neither is likely to happen), but it would be twisted and probably end with Sandor's death.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    If this is true I much prefer the fan-made Reddit plot that the NK goes to King's Landing. Like WTF is the GC doing there... Not to mention friki said that Grey Worm is at the trial, and this "leak" doesn't mention him dying at the Battle of Winterfell, even though a lot of people expect him to. We'll see in a few days I guess.
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