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  1. Martyn Bull

    Heresy 225 and the Snowflakes of Doom

    As far I remember, Mel never tries to birth a shadow North of the wall. Could be whatever spells are in the wall makes it a hard time being a shadow south of it.
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    The Sweet of the Bittersweet

    The sweet I guess is the realm returned to peace the Others beaten. Of the characters I quite agree with the OP on Sansa - she will probably finally understand that even "monsters" can be able to love. I agree that she actually falling in love with Tyrion and "remarrying" him is most likely. Sandor Clegane a runner up. I agree that Sansa's the one most likely to get most "sweet" of the major characters. Jon Snow will probably be a great "hero" and finally be accepted and cherished by everyone, only top discover that all he wants to be is Jon Snow. He'll either return to the Wall to be LC of a new NW if that's needed, thus making sure the Targaryans die out, or he will travel north of the wall and live among the wildlings (he might also die). The sweet is that he succeeds, become a great hero etc, the bitter is that he no longer feels at home in Westeros and are able to cherish his "victory". (A lot of Frodo from LOTR here). Danerys - most probably she will die, I'm quite certain she will not end up on the iron throne, if she survives, she'll also have to leave Westeros because she finally realises that she's no fit ruler, only a very good conquerer and that Westeros is better of without her. That would actually be very bittersweet (she can reach her goal of making Westeros a better place, but must abandon her dreams and ambitions of becoming a queen). But, I don't think she will survive. Tyrion - I belive he will survive, possibly remarrying Sansa as said. He's also among the top candidates for the iron throne in my book. The sweet will be that he finally at least will be lord of Castelery Rock, and head of the Lannister family. The bitter part is that his entire close family will be dead, and he that will never be able to say to Tywin: "look, I'm actually quite good at this!". Bran - Difficult. I think he will survive as "something" but if that's something that can have any bitter or sweetness to it, I'm not sure. And yes, Sam is one of the characters who might have a quite sweet ending (again quite like Sam in LOTR). The bitterness will lie in that he "looses" Jon.
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    Dany took the iron throne by force from Cersei, so for a short time, she's Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Dany's heir would be John, so when he killed her, he was the rightful heir of the iron throne. Wouldn't Bran be Johns heir? So when John "abdicates" the throne should actually have passed to Bran.
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    Perhaps matrilineal was the wrong word, but Cersei "inherited" the throne from her son. Thus having the throne passing from Baratheon to Lannisters through Joffrey and Tommen. You might think that she has no claim, but what does the realm think? I can't recall anyone really saying that this is questionable. Not even Dany, her major issue with Cersei is that she inherited the throne from the "usurper".
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    It wasn't a coincidence I hit this. I think it's quite apparently that GRRM uses this as inspiration for a lot of the conflict in the novels. I didnt know much about the wars in Italy you mention, but the same were true for mist of the monarchies of Europe in the period. In 1066 England was invaded twice by pretenders that meant they had inherited "throne". One of them, William won. Another point is that the Victor wouldn't simply deny anything the King he had deposed had done. The Victor needed the people to believe in the power of "the Crown", so they would rather tell the story where they we were the rightful rulers, and to keep the peace, accept most of the laws the deposed monarch had made. My impression is that GRRM is quite inspired by what happened in Europe from let's say around 1000 to 1700, and a lot of that history are bloody wars, civil wars and conquering based on unclear inheritance rules for the throne. However, each war usually made inheritance a little clearer.
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    I would rather say it was because the throne had passed through two underaged Kings with her as the defacto monarch, that it was possible for her to inherit Tommen. But it's kind of made a presedence for that the throne can move outside of the King's House. And, yes - Tyrion for sure has a strong claim inherited from Cersei in this theory.
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    But IF he hadn't turned down the throne. Cersei made a presedence that the throne could be inherited the matrilineal way. I agree that the southern Lords wouldn't necessarily allow the same person to be King in the North and of the Iron throne, so the theory would require that Sansa becomes Queen of the North (or if Bran gets that title, Sansa would be his heir).
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    Fair enough. There should have been an great IF in the original post. What happens if Jon claims the title after murdering Dany. He certainly has a strong claim. Let's say the council accepts this, who's then his heir if he chooses to abdicate? The thought came to me when I tried to imagine how GRRM might land on Bran (if it's true that this is from him). Although it's true that whoever can take and keep the throne by might is the King/Queen. All the Kings/Queens we have seen have constructed some kind of argument on why they were the rightful heir.
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    I think boys are preferred to girls when it comes to inheritance of titles in Westeros. Bran is Robb's heir, not Sansa as Lord of Winterfell. The rules might be different for the Iron throne, in which case, yes, Sansa would be the heiress.
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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    You said: "Dany did nothing that was contrary to the laws of chivalry, in the show." The chivalric oath of the 7 kingdoms is: "In the name of the Warrior I charge you to be brave. In the name of the Father I charge you to be just. In the name of the Mother I charge you to defend the young and innocent. In the name of the Maid I charge you to protect all women." If you think Dany did adhere to this, I think we just must agree that we disagree, because I don't.
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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    Yes, but you didn't talk about the ethic of warfare, you talked about "the laws of chivalry": In my opinion she did things that was clearly breaking the chivalric code within the fictional world.
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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    Oath of Knighthood: "In the name of the Warrior I charge you to be brave. In the name of the Father I charge you to be just. In the name of the Mother I charge you to defend the young and innocent. In the name of the Maid I charge you to protect all women." I would say she at least bended it a little? Don't necessarily disagree with you here. However, it would feel less contrived than the "and now let's choose a ruler" - at least to me.
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    How would you have ended it?

    Again I agree. But when the decided they weren't able to finish both plots at the same time, I would rather have season 7 deal with NK and the WW and FINISH that plotline in a good way. Then have the entire seadson 8 to focus on the "realm of men". That would certainly include getting more out of R+L=J. If not proofs, just people starting to choose sides. To me it's more about that, having the opinions of the lords and people actually matter, not only the claims. I think that would have made it more believable to send Dany off the cliff - Jon won the popularity contest (of course against his will).
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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    Yes, you are right, he could have executed her for whatever reason, but I don't think he would have. Martin is moving to some kind of "breaking the wheel" as Dany phrases it (at least in my opinion), and I think it's more likely it would be some kind of tribunal or council that would've judged Dany.
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    How would you have ended it?

    Thanks. Backing you 100% on explanation of NK, but I took the challenge and tried to answer the original post who asked what you would change in the last TWO episodes :-) If you asked me what I'll do with the last two seasons, I'll say, end NK (with explanation) in s07, and spend the entire s08 to finish the game of thrones...
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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    As I said, my knowledge of Westerosi law isn't good enough to say wether she's broken any laws, but we have seen that it's the within the King's power to judge. In my opinion it would be cool if Jon had to judge Dany, and eventually pick up from S01E01 and have Jona have to do the execution.
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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    I don't know enough about the juridical system of Westeros to really answer that, but I guess Sam could dig something up ... That wouldn't actually be the worst shortcut they've made, but there is at least two other ways they could have gone around. They could have made Jon to actually act and claim the throne. As a king, he would have the authority (I suppose), or they could have made a kind of tribunal (or perhaps a combination). That could have picked up in a cool way on the "power resides where the people believes it reside", that in the end it is the "people" of Westeros that decides that they are finished with Targaryan dragonlords.
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    How would you have ended it?

    The original post said how you would change the two last episodes. I think my major change would be to make episode 5 the battle AND the aftermath, ending with Jon killing Dany and Drogon flying away with her. Then having the entire last episode to actually be about politics and "building" the new world. I would have dropped the "democracy" touch, and rather gone for some kind of parliament or council that the king/queen would have to answer to. I also think I would have someone insisting on Jon becoming king. He could either do that and as his only act decide that such a parliament (or whatever) should be created. Then abdicate and take the black to end the Targaryan claim (which would then make sense).
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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    Yes, that could've been cool. Especially if combined with Jon actually making his claim for the throne. She will stand trial, and as the King, he'll carry out the sentence himself! Then he can retire and take the black to end the Targaryan rule.
  20. OK. I was a little bit quick there. What I meant is that disobeying an order is something that is illegal in most military systems. You might not like the order, it might be dangerous, but you know BEFORE you disobey it, that it is illegal. A lot of Dany's "laws" are simply made up by her on the spot. She WANTS the Tarlys to bend the knee, therefor she decides that it's bend the knee or die. I would say there is a difference. You said: "And a tyrant would have just murdered them without even giving them a choice." I disagree, I think a tyrant would do exactly what Dany did. Give them a choice: "join or die". But yes, I agree that the execution in itself isn't "tyrannical".
  21. I didn't say that made her a tyrant, I said she did what a tyrant would do: give people a choice, follow me or die. And there is a difference between executing someone for not following orders and executing someone for not doing as you want.
  22. No, I Think I tyrant would do exactly what she did: Unless you bend the knee, you die! Most tyrants will give their subjects a choice: follow me or die.
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    So what was the third "oh shit" moment?

    Agreed. I would be surprised if the thought of Dany burning a city or Jon killing Dany (or vice versa) hadn't crossed their mind. If King Bran the Broken is from Martin, I think that must be it. Arya killing NK is another possibility, but I believe that's DnD's invention. The death of Cerseis is also a good possibility, that wasn't something many managed to guess, and I think Martin can pull that of to really fullfil the prophecy in an unexpecting way.
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    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    In my opinion what GRRM is trying to get along is that that is not up to Jon Snow to choose. If the people wants him as a monarch, Dany will have one hell of a problem. Yes, she has the army, but Jon could very fast become a rallying point for all of Westeros, then it doesn't really matter what Jon declared. He's not in charge, he's just a figurehead.
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    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    I think Jon Snow has a record of ending up in positions of power he doesn't necessarily WANTS. He didn't refuse then.
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