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  1. No. I actually started another reread the day after the finale to cleanse myself of disappointment. As others have mentioned, the ending isn’t what disappointed me - it was the rushed way we got there. So many interesting plot lines were just dropped for the sake of simplicity and time. I am going back to the books to seek solace in their complex plots that have yet to be sabotaged. (Although I must confess, at times I fear that the intricate web of plot lines may be what is stalling GRRM - his story may have become too complex for him to ever finish.)
  2. I guess the difficulty I'm having with the idea of her snapping is that there was no immediate stimulus for her to have such a marked emotional response. She achieved what she wanted by winning the battle almost effortlessly. Although I do suppose what you mentioned earlier - she achieves her goal and her success feels hollow - in addition to the culmination of recent events could have led to her snapping at that moment, especially since she was likely still full of adrenaline and fury from attacking the golden company, iron fleet, etc. She definitely went to extremes to instill fear by targeting innocent people, but if that was her conscious aim, I think she was trying to go overboard. As I mentioned in an earlier post, a dragon is scary. Seeing a dragon in action destroying defenses, taking out armies and ships is scarier. But a dragon burning innocent people and reducing a city to ashes, and a queen who is willing to take those actions is the most terrifying. Using the decimated Kings Landing as an example of her dangerous power and potential for ruthlessness would certainly discourage future dissenters more than simply defeating Cersei's armies. I can appreciate both perspectives - that she did snap and become the mad queen, or that she made a cold and calculating decision to become a brutal queen. I am curious to find out how Dany's actions were perceived by the other characters (apart from their WTF expressions). Will they see her as irrational and crazy? Or as deliberately evil and malicious? It will be interesting to see how she is portrayed in the next episode, as well as the others' interpretations.
  3. A dragon is scary. Seeing a dragon in action, destroying defenses, taking out armies and a fleet of ships is even scarier. But a dragon killing innocent people and reducing an entire city to ashes, and a queen who is willing to take those actions? That is the most terrifying. I agree, the tragedy of it all is that had she shown mercy, she might have gotten the love and gratitude of the people she spared (which she so desperately wanted). Like I said, I can appreciate the perspective that she just snapped, but the way I see it, she chose fear over love. It would have been interesting to see her facial expression while she was destroying the city. I wonder if she just had a cold hard look on her face, if she was crying, if she looked furious, if she looked insane...
  4. I can't think what he would be setting her up for since they had clearly won the battle when the bells rang. Yes he freed Jaime, which was a betrayal, but I don't see how that plays into a larger betrayal. I thought he really just wanted to save Jaime, Cersei, and their baby and also prevent unnecessary bloodshed. Also when the Lannister army yielded, that's when a whole bunch of people started yelling to ring the bells. In this case I think it did mean surrender. What else could it mean if they were defeated?
  5. Why do you think she did it then? Because she snapped and went crazy? If so, I agree that is a plausible explanation, but I can see it the way I described too - that she made a conscious decision to inspire the maximum amount of terror, demonstrate the extent of her power, and solidify her rule.
  6. She still has the rest of the realm to rule. Kings Landing was an example of what could happen to others if they oppose her. (Side note: I don't personally agree with how she handled the situation, I'm just trying to analyze why she did what she did.) She didn't need to ensure the Dothraki's service by burning them (except for the Khals) - they were awed enough by her being able to survive fire, take out all the Khals in one go, and being able to ride a dragon. Maybe if the people in Westeros had seen her walk out of a burning building they would have been similarly impressed and willing to follow her? Who knows. They weren't as impressed with her dragon riding skills as the Dothraki were, but I suppose that's due to different values. The Dothraki are all about riding, and a dragon is the most impressive mount they've seen.
  7. In the past yes. In this episode, I don't see that. Dany has always struggled with her competing desires to be good and compassionate and her desire for power. She believed she wasn't going to get the love of the people so she threw away compassion and thus any hope of getting their love, and embraced her ruthless side to go for power instead.
  8. Agreed. Dany knew they were Cersei's pawns, but by killing them they became Dany's pawns. Cersei was using them as a human shield, and then Dany used them to show how dangerous she is.
  9. As I said, She and Drogon had arguably already terrified the people and soldiers in KL simply by taking out the Golden Company, defenses, and Iron fleet. I agree that that they were already afraid. But I think she decided to up the ante and the fear-factor to fully demonstrate her powers and willingness to be completely ruthless to the rest of the realm. She has nothing left except the throne and wants to make sure she doesn't lose that either. Killing innocents shows how far she is willing to go to keep it, and sends a very powerful message that she is not to be messed with. I think in her mind, she thought that showing mercy would have been less effective in achieving her ends, and could have sent the message to the rest of the realm that there are ways to manipulate her (by playing on her empathy and compassion) and potentially remove her from power. This way, she starts her rule as a cold-hearted queen with no emotional weaknesses or soft spots for dissenters to target.
  10. I think you provide a very compelling analysis of Dany’s actions and thought processes in this episode, but I would like to offer an alternative perspective to Dany snapping and becoming the mad queen. Rather than snapping, I think Dany made a conscious decision to start her rule with a healthy dose of fear. She does not have the love or acceptance of the people, her advisors are disloyal, and Jons parentage (and the people’s preference for him) threatens her claim. She does not think she is likely to solidify her position by demonstrating her goodness, so she decides to use fear to establish her rule instead. Her words to Jon sum this up nicely: Let it be fear. She and Drogon had arguably already terrified the people and soldiers in KL simply by taking out the Golden Company, defenses, and Iron fleet. At the point when the bells start to ring, Dany had to make a choice: stop her attack and demonstrate her goodness and caring for the people, or burn the city and its inhabitants and demonstrate how ruthless and dangerous she can be (to discourage future dissent). She chose the latter I believe because in her experience she has found fear (and using fire/her dragon) to be highly effective in achieving her goals and gaining respect and recognition as a powerful leader. Although her previous acts that have been deemed harsh, cruel, or ruthless (burning the Tarlys, burning the Khals, feeding one of the Masters of Mereen to her dragons) served other explicit purposes, they also had an underlying purpose of inspiring fear and demonstrating her power. Throughout the show Dany has struggled not between sanity and madness, but with her conflicting desires (desire to be loved and desire for power) and the type of ruler she would be. When she first started out on her quest for the throne, she thought ruling would be much simpler than it turned out to be - if you are good to your people they will be good to you in return. She had lofty ideals of making the world a better place and breaking the wheel. In Mereen she first started to realize that it would not be so simple - some people are going to oppose your rule because they disagree with you. She learned that she would have to make hard decisions and punish dissenters if she wanted to maintain her rule. She still wanted so badly to be a good leader whose people loved her for her goodness, but once she got to Westeros this dream really started to fall apart. Despite her efforts to protect the realm from the white walkers, she is not seen as a benevolent savior. She does not have the love of the people, and she is viewed as a mistrusted outsider. And now there is Jon, with the better claim to the throne, and better support from the people. When the bells started to ring, she said goodbye to her old self (the one who would never harm innocent people) and her old ideals and decided to embrace her ruthless side instead. By doing so she demonstrates the extent of her power and the lengths she is willing to go to solidify her rule. She is not to be messed with, so bend the knee.
  11. Despite hardly anything going the way I wanted/hoped it to, I still think it was a well done episode. Yes I’m disappointed in both Jaime and Dany but I suppose I shouldn’t let my thwarted expectations bias my rating too much. 8/10
  12. I hate that stupid smirk he gives after Dany tries this on him. He was so much creepier emotionless.
  13. 5/10 for me. Did not think this compared well to other big battle scenes in the series. My qualms have already been mentioned by others already but in sum: Could hardly see what was going on, who was doing what, etc. I get the whole "immersive battle experience" idea, but this was too much. The battle did a good job of creating a sense of hopelessness. However, it felt so hopeless that I couldn't imagine any way for any one to get out alive except by killing the Night King. At that point I figured he was going to get taken out, which was a disappointing realization. We've been told for several seasons now that he is the real threat, and that squabbles over the iron throne are just meaningless nonsense. But now he's defeated so we're left fighting over the damn iron throne again. Melisandre making her very pointed "blue eyes" remark to Arya was when it clicked for me that they had decided Arya would be the Night King's undoing, and again I was disappointed. Yes her faceless man training makes her a formidable assassin, but again, why build up prophecies and drop hints over several seasons if what ends up happening doesn't line up with them at all? It seems when they decided it would be Arya they dug around for some old dialogue that could be interpreted as predicting her as the chosen one to end the (not so) long night. I do not think when Mel originally told Arya about shutting many eyes of different colors she was referring to the Night King and gang. I think she was just seeing Arya's future as a killer of many people, who happen to have varying eye colors. Lastly, why even bother showing Ghost if all he does is run off with the Dothraki toward the army of the dead (which, terrible strategy in my opinion - there goes your whole cavalry) and then just.... disappears? Of course I will stick around to see how this all plays out, but it is disappointing to know that the remaining enemy is Cersei. I am sort of hoping the Night King isn't entirely defeated. Or maybe Qyburn will try and create his own version of the Night King like the children of the forest did? Doubtful, but I can hope... and be disappointed again.
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