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  1. chatty83

    Why the Night King Didn't Fight Jon

    This isn't what the showrunners intended but only way it makes sense is if NK and his goons are actually good guys or at least tweeners. Their only goal is to kill Bran or the TER as he now is and they have waged war with the TER for over a century. In that time they've never actually been overly fussed with killing humankind or the children of the forest. For one, Wildlings and Thenn are on their side of the wall and they haven't killed them en masse when it could easily be done. The COTF are on that side of the wall as well and seem to be less powered than the WWs so why haven't they just wiped all them out up until now? The TER has been turned into a tree so was hidden and it took Bran for them to find him and instantly they were there looking to kill him. On discovery that bran was now the TER they then turn their attention to him. other than through the prophecy of the first war that created the wall have the WWs actually even ever attempted to cross the wall, theirs no real mention of it iirc, only time I can think of is the wight in Castle Black. So once Bran is back on the south of the wall that's when they take action to get across there. Once across if their real purpose was to destroy humanity then why didn't they avoid WF and head south continually destroying humanity and building their army bigger before coming back on Bran, The only reason is that NK is so desperate to get to Bran he takes unnecessary risks to do so - he exposes himself, he heads straight their instead of persisting in building his army and taking the threat level down, he even goes to kill him himself despite having control over the thousands of WWs and Wights who are all in Brans area. Only reason being is he must have to kill Bran himself (or hes dumb as hell which wasn't very apparent until this episode). Exploring Bran a bit more, he has persistently acted like a bad guy anyway, he manipulates people from the off, he uses his powers to effect the past and present so why not the future. he manipulated his whole family into making him King. 1. He was the one who insisted that Sam tell Jon about being Aegon creating conflict with Dany. 2. The conflict with Dany turned her mad and thus killed many innocents whilst freeing up the throne (killing Cersei and herself). 3. Manipulated Sansa by exposing Jons secret third handidly knowing she wanted the North to herself and would exploit this. 4. Manipulate Arya with the dagger, giving her belief she was the PTWP and again giv her the resolve to set off over the other side of the world after doing his bidding. 5. Manipulated Tyrion into naming him King 6. Pior to this he manipulates a multitiude of people on his journey - JoJen, Meera, Hodor, Jaime, Osha in diferent ways. Plus you have Brans prophecy - he wont walk but will fly then makes a comment that he can control Drogon at the end, very apt. He also states he has no interest in lordship but then lets Tyrion know he travelled with the purpose of being called King. Bran or TER is evil imo and will wreak havok on the kingdom as King and all his potential slayers either under Stockholm syndrome or sent packing out of the way of being a threat. Hell the evil little shit told his own sister she looked beautiful whilst having her virginity raped out of her. Brans a creep and the real big bad of the show.
  2. So we know that from the living that Sansa, Tyrion, Bran, Arya, Sam and Gilly know Jons true identity. We also know Varys sent some Raven but whether they actually reached anyone is unknown but this is a pretty big factor. Jon isn't an unknown they can just send to the wall and be forgotten. Hes a war hero of multiple battles. Hes known and loved across the North for ridding the Boultons, he also saved the North in the battle of castle Black and of course saved the entire realm in the battle of Winterfell against the dead. Now if people know he is Aegon Targaryan, the true heir to the throne then surely that confuses things, a few lords can have their say but what about the people they rule, plus the lords never get on and a few of them wont be happy with what they have got now. They completely rubbished this story at the end but its something that has a huge effect on everything and its left inconclusive.
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    Did the writers confirm Jon’s ending?

    I still think they done it the wrong way round. Should have took Kings Landing first, whilst this happens the wall is destroyed by NK and they have to travel North with whats left and battle the AOTD - who were the real threat. Jon kills NK by sacrificing Dany and then has to live as King of Westeros, a title he doesn't want, a role never considered miserable and alone. Its good for the Kingdom but awful for Jon. That's your bitter sweet ending, seems great on paper but really it isn't. Jon sacrifices everything for everyone else, AA fulfilled. Plus they could have spent the rest of the episodes actually having the WWs do damage instead of being the ultimate hypejobs. Arya should have killed Cersei as her death was rubbish and that was Aryas storyline conclusion that made sense, well everything makes sense if you switch it round but they wanted to do Mad Queen dany despite no attempt to build to it and it ruined the show.
  4. I think a few reasons made Jon kill her then and there. 1. Being the heir to the iron Throne meant he couldn't walk away. He maybes could have before he told Sansa and Arya but once he did that the cat was out of the bag, it would come up and drive conflict with Danaerys down the line. Does he want a war in the North with Drogon in tow, he just saw the destruction in Kings Landing - far too dangerous. 2. Dany and Sansa are now enemies and Arya is stuck somewhere inbetween - he knows shes a threat top them whilst still alive. 3. She made a speech in which she she mentioned Winterfell as a place to free - might not have literally meant go and free winterfell via force or meant go to Winterfell at all but it was mentioned, jon heard it and recognised the possibility of a threat. 4. Jon has a moral compass, hes very much like Ned, he has no problem with violence between people who are violent but innocents is a no and especially with no honour like Dany and the Unsullied just did. He couldn't walk away from that ultimately and saved many an innocents lives at the possible cost of his own.
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    Will Dany Resurrect?

    Just like the horse at the end of E05, it meant nothing, just a cool looking scene for Drogon taking the body off into the sunset. That's all it was, I wouldn't think too much into it.
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    Jon is a hypocrite

    In the series, Jon is just dumb. Hes not a hypocrite, theres nothing to suggest that he doesn't think his plan wont work and that the civilians would be able to force Cersei to surrender without bloodshed, that's actually very much Jons character. Naïve and a bit thick but good intentioned and happy to put his life on the line for the betterment of people. A great soldier but a terrible leader that gets lucky.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Maybes not conquerors as such but a lot of people who took the throne did do it with backers who they fell out with and ended up battling, in fact it seemed to happen on repeat. Pretty much the whole saga of War of the Roses was someone staking a claim to the throne, someone backing them, conquering and taking the throne, not fulfilling the wishes of the backer, backer goes to war with them with other backers, takes the throne, doesn't fulfil the wishes of their backers......repeat. But whilst its based on history, its still fantasy, I do think if he finishes the books martin can do a similar ending and itll work because he'll do a good job of writing it, filling in the blanks and creating the story and tension to do so that the show just missed out or assumed didn't need to be told. Conquerors are never nice people nor are they now, the whole King/ruler set up dictates you end up bad even if you have good intentions because you can please anyone and in those times the way to solve that was usually violence. Just about even British King/Queen come out despised at the end of their rule, ven if they were popular. Some of the biggest conquerors tend to have a really bad name despite taking their people to new heights and success as a country - see Alexander, Genghis, Cesar, Attila etc I think the point of the show ultimately is that it never ends well.
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    Moral of each characters story?

    Jon - If your dumb then you shouldn't get into politics. A dog is for life, not just for Christmas. Dany - Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Sansa - if you abuse someone for years on end then don't be surprised if they end up cold and desolate. Never trust a ginger. Theon - Don't act a Billie Big Bollocks if you have no bollocks. Rickon - orphans end up wild and unruly then shot in the back by a bastard. Tyrion - Seasons 1-4 - smart people should get into politics seasons 5-8 - sometimes dumb people can get into politics and still come out alright. Robb - Don't back out of deals when the other side has fulfilled their end. Jaime - incest is bad. Cersei - incest is bad. Tywin - neglecting your kids doesn't often end well for anyone. Ned - see Jon. Robert - don't hunt whilst on the drink. Other than that, if you have power you can abuse it and pay someone to clean your mess up. Arya - revenge is good. The Hound - revenge is bad. The Mountain - Be a dick, get rewarded. Beric/Melisandre/Thoros - Religious extremism isn't good. Bron - keep an eye on other peoples misery, you might be able to take advantage. Night King - hype jobs exists, even in Westeros. Bran - ???? I still haven't a clue what the point of Bran is tbh. Maybes, family are the easiest people to manipulate.
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    Arya and the Horse

    Think I called this pretty well other than she actually did nothing (though she was planning on killing Dany at the start). Basically meant nothing but it looked cool and we never saw it again. predictable.
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    The Ending Was very conventional

    I don't think the voting system lasts long. brans doomed cause he cant reproduce anyway, once he's popped it the next house to take charge will be bringing it back to my kids are heirs and then were back to warring, if not even whilst bran is in charge.
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    The Six Kingdoms

    I'd imagine war breaks out sooner or later anyway. The whole kingdom is a mess with most armies depleted and defences shattered. Anyone with eyes on ruling or gaining more power will be looking the kingdom up and down and picking targets to attack for their own gain. Kings Landing for starters is completely destroyed so the capital is in rebuilding, King Brandon doesn't even have an army to protect him, he can call on the North of big Sis but then you've instantly got another civil war. yeah he has Brienne, pod and Bronn but it's hardly gonna stop an army from marching in and massacring them if they should please. The North seemingly have an army but just weeks ago at the battle of Winterfell they were literally talking about how depleted it was and afterwards even more so. It might be enough to hold power for the time being with most other armies in ruins but they best get building and keeping those factions tight. They have bad blood with the Iron islands that doesnt look to be going away although I wouldn't see Yara as an instant threat. The vale seem to have a decent army still but they have a complete oddball in charge in Sweet Robin Arryn, who the hell knows what sort of carnage he could cause if he ends up being the sole leader one day. He's not on the planet so is a right wildcard to start just about anything. You also have armies from Essos now taking land in Westeros. The Unsullied cant even breed and have only known war, not a chance they gop off to an island to live their life in peace, they'll get bored quick enough and take ships to head to the North to finish their feud with Jon and his merry bunch of Wildlings. The Dothraki no doubt hit the road and start plundering, raping and pillaging small towns until they start building bigger numbers again, they will rampage anywhere so nowhere is really safe whilst they are on the prowl. Dorne missed the whole White Walker threat and the saga with Kings Landing, in fact they should be pretty frsh and could mount a challenge to anyone at this point should they so wish. I don't think Edmure is much of a threat but someone may want to threaten him and his lands. Same with gendry who if they go through with Danys deal cant be expected to just take back the Stormlands as a bastard who has never lived there, knows no one and has no army or even close allies to pitch up with. Hell knows whats happening in Essos but once some ships have crossed over and been successful no doubt theres plenty of armies over there who haven't been through years of destruction who might fancy their chances against a beaten down Westeros. I don't think they get long under Bran before something kicks off tbh.
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    Jon is Azor Ahai

    Nah, Drogon was Lightbringer. Jon plunged Dany into the heart and Drogon appeared, saw Dany was dead and extinguished the evil that was the Throne all along. its all just symbolism but that's the paraelles they drew in that scene.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    I guess there are still Thenn and possibly other dangers up there to ward off for Jon, the NW and Wildlings. Who knows what else is up there, most of it is unexplored and we've already seen White Walkers, Wights, Giants, Direwolves etc all come from up North so I guess there is still a reason to have the NW even if the biggest threat is seemingly gone. Who knows how he'll fare, theres loads of factors that could come into play. Im not necessarily in the mindset that Westeros is safe under Bran, lots of wars will still likely erupt because none of them really settled their differences. Greyjoys and Starts still have heat, I'm not sure whats stopping the Unsullied from sailing North and going after Jon anyway, they are an army that only know violence, they cant breed, seems most likely they will find their way into a war. Dothraki are no doubt gonna go off raiding, raping a pillaging. Everyone will see Bran as an easy target, he doesn't even have an army ffs. If everything goes South then theres absolutely no doubt people will be reaching out to hardened war hero Jon Snow for help. As for not having kids, it hardly stopped him from shagging Ygritte last time he was in, if he wants it he will do it, hes honour-bound but that doesn't mean he will do everything he is told to do, especially in a forced bullshit situation like he's been forced into.
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    The Storytelling is bad, not the story

    Yeah, this is it. I think this could play out very similar in the books and it actually work because it will go into detail, build towards these plots and explain everything. It wont leave you to just assume whats happened or wonder why anything that has happened has because it makes no sense so even if they go this same route in the books I think itll be much better. This was just cashed in on in the end, the writers went of the boil or couldn't do the job and I think even the actors/actresses started to call it in a bit because you can tell they thought it was shit as well. They still acted well but imagine being told your script and being like, whats this, none of it makes any sense? It'd be demoralising as hell after spending a decade playing that character.
  15. So. we got a scene where Sam shows us a book has been written about the whole saga. We also see Brienne updating Jaimes pages in the book of houses. These are the indicators of the stories that will be told and the everlasting legacies of the characters and their journeys throughout the drama that has unfolded. Some were already written but how do you think they will be remembered: Tyrion - doomed to be lost to history as ignored in the chronicles though surely he will have some standing in the Battle of Blackwater, being hand to the Queen/King and being a Lannister. not sure how they tell of Tywins death unless he is left out as well. Jaime - the Kingslayer looks like his redemptive qualities will pull through as hes now shown as a war hero and loyal to his ruler in the end. Jon - The Queenslayer. hard to gauge as hes ended up being a bit of an outcast, a disgrace who was sent to live out his life taking the black. But he is also a war hero, a chartered King of the North and one of the heroes in the battle with the dead. he also killed the mad Queen which should have some redemptive connotations considering shes likely going to be chartered as a monster. Dany - the Mad Queen. her lasting legacy will be Kings Landing. She may fair better in Essos stories but little for her to hold onto in Westeros. Drogon - as with his forebearers, a monstrous beast that all should be fearful off. A machine of carnage and destruction. ….