Nightwish

4 just of the sake of the actors, the cinematography and the music. Otherwise the mentality of the show is below zero. That fact they want us to relate with a tree that’s doesn’t even relate to its old self and actually be satisfied with that it is surreal. And laughable Good try though.

Sure, they commit suicide one after the other before the script writers have a chance to get them.

You are right and I agree with you but I believe we cant really judge as far as it concerns the storyline because we don't know where DD end and where Martin ends. And the worst part of it is that Martin never wrote the continuation so we won't know. Now he has time to revise and adjust his books to create more solid plot lines and throwing the blame on DD because he can. For example Jamie's arc was so extremely ruined. No real development and not even realism. You don't go back to a woman who tried to kill you. But how do we know this was not Martin's idea which he transferred to DD and they make it even worst trying to deliver it under 10 minutes? How can this thing not to be a mess? You have a writer whose missing, unable to put his own ideas on paper and 2 show runners who want 1. to wrap it up and be done 2. keep the same major plot points but follow television-show rules for the sake of the actors, the fan fanservice and the ratings 3. give the same end 4. stick in budget well this was a very high bet all along and it simply collapsed. And I do hope that nobody reads Martin's books because he is so lazy with his material and got so comfortable with the money he took, that forgot to deliver his books, especially to "protect" his intellectual child from abuse at the hands of the producers. But he didn't care. That's the obvious answer. Also I am bored by his twisted fantasy that delivers the same message again and again with every character; the greed for power bla..bla..bla.. so the development remains stagnant because you know what? it never gets beyond that point. I am really sorry that I spend so many years watching the show and reading the books in order to discover that his definition of realism is nihilism and his definition of bittersweet is tragedy. Sorry, needed some steam out...

For me it proves that the effects, the smoke, the large production, costumes and everything else, can't just buy common sense and logic that people always search in a story. Despite their effort to make this as impressive as possible if the script falls apart, everything falls apart with it.

Haha, yes I guess the show runners wanted us to get the message in just a scene instead of a slower development. Saved themselves time.

True, but still the this circle of potential kings or kings that are going "rotten", "useless", "dangerous" to advance or establish themselves has been the mainly focus and narrative of the story ever since it started. I am disappointed because I expected Dany's arc to be used in another way and not just a repetition of the story already told. In General: For me its very disappointing that the story does not progress in actually developing and maturing the characters. Another very good example of this is Jamie. Reading a story of a character who finishes right at the point where he had started. This is frustrating because you don't need a whole show of 8 seasons to reach the conclusions that he is enslaved to Cersei. Or that Targs can go bersek. That's actually one of the first thing we learn about the Mad King. And it feels like cheating us into reading. If I knew that this whole story just makes circles around itself, actually presenting the same story with a different king or candidate every single time, I wouldn't read it because the point of story is exhausted by book 4.

I agree. It was a waste of time for me too.

Again what nonsense? Why is everything in repetition in this show? Aerys, vicerion, Cersei, Stannis, Joffrey, Danny...the same old story again and again. Jamie, Jamie, Jamie, the same old story again and again. Arya escapes death again and again and again.

2 it was stupid and boring.

The show made Cersei to get harder than the Night king. Probably in the books it will be the same since the Martin said that all roads lead to Rome and the major plot points will remain the same.

John is another chapter that is quite disappointing but I guess most viewers will be happy just seeing him making it out of this mess. But as a character, at least in the show, his true identity is nothing more than a point of conflict for the throne. But I am not surprised. For example Beric was resurrected so many times in order to save Arya in the corridor? (He served his purpose as Melisandre said). And we are like: "And that was all?" Let's say that Jon served his purpose bringing the Widlings to safety, taking Winterfell, then dooming them all (because how else would the wall fall as the show runners said) and finally killing the Mad Queen. I don't know its really devastating to see the potential of the characters and how its wasted.

While I agree that you tubers made a great damage over analyzing everything and certainly developing all sorts of stupid theories out of nowhere for their own profit, creating a great deal of expectations, let’s not forget all the promotion we got even from actors themselves who said that this season is about survival. The season promotional image being the night king, everything centered around the great battle, even show runners themselves telling us the length it took for this episode, the conditions, even after letters to the cast to thank them, especially for this, they also made a great investment in Night Kings battle and heavily promoted it, leading also to great expectations. In the cover for season 8 I see the Night king, not Cersei. So if this was their big asset, and we are over that, what are we to expect for the continuation?

I know. They don’t make sense but they don’t care also. I have stopped all theories trying to guess since it’s a show of impressions. Still feel sorry about fans that are trying to make a sense out of this or come with another theory that the show may serve or not.

Honestly I think that all these are valid questions but none of this has an answer. Fans are reading too much into script and YouTube with all the fan theories and discussions, everybody looking for clues even inside NK’s eye is just too much, it hasn’t helped. Sure one of ten theories may come alive especially the ones that are foreshadowed in the books like Johns parents or perhaps Tyrion’s betrayal but from a point on nothing means more than what it means. It’s a show. Apparently they invest on effects so the rest is history. They are not going to answer every detail.

This was a heavy loss indeed. I am not even sure if the unsullied survived but then unsullied are not a race. Dothraki took a heavy loss so the moral teaching would be; don’t follow foreigners. This is what happens to all who pass the sea. Not a good point for the show to make.

You are right, and he did make a big entrance appearing to Bran with all the white walkers around him. Along with Bran being the 3ER so he wanted to personally seal the deal. Also I think he felt secure enough since all of his opponents where occupied one way or another. And all of these became his weakness. But I somehow expected him to be more cool than this.

Lol

It just steals another's character arc, Arya killing NK is like... John killing the Frey's Tyrion Killing the Boltons... Dany Killing Littlefinger... Sansa killing the Waif and so on...

As a show it was good, as a script was a failure so I would give it a six. Knowing all the effort it took to shoot this (actors and personnel), they deserve a credit, but overall the result was a bit inferior to the expectations.

I wish they offered a better explanation why he had to come down from the clouds and do it himself, at least so we can justify why he lost the war.

Thanks but what I meant was why he has to do it himself, not trusting other wights to do it? He has a full army of zombies there.

Is there any explanation offered why the NK wants personally to kill Bran?

Looks like NK was a stepping stone for the throne (getting North support etc) after all. M..

Actually they killed it last season, especially last season, when John and Tyrion along with Brans vision led with their choices to the destruction of the wall just for the show runners to say that there was no other way for the night king to pass that wall...unless he could get a dragon. From there on all logic fails since from heroes they are turned to zeroes. Plus best plan seemed to be Cersei’s; have a cup of wine and let them be...let them be... ok so they opened the door of hell now they made up for it somehow (after all it wasn’t Cersei’s mistake) was it, why should she fight it? If someone follows the logic of the show up to the battle last night, and wants to exaggerate it can say that apparently Cersei ‘s apathy was the best tactic all along.

Now 3 remaining episodes just for Cersei seem a lot, awfully a lot...