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  1. 4 just of the sake of the actors, the cinematography and the music. Otherwise the mentality of the show is below zero. That fact they want us to relate with a tree that’s doesn’t even relate to its old self and actually be satisfied with that it is surreal. 

    And laughable :lmao: Good try though. 

  2. 51 minutes ago, LHakaLH said:

    I've been trying to craft a response to this episode for two days, to give it at least something of a fair shake, but I just can't. There have been individual moments on GoT more unpleasant than this (Sansa's rape, for example) but as whole episodes go, this was probably just about as unwatchable as the show gets. Previous bad episodes were at least bad in interesting ways. D&D have a penchant for almost getting the point, but being off by just enough that if nothing else, how they screwed it up makes for interesting discussion. Not here.

    The episode itself can be summarized in one sentence: Dany burns down Kings Landing. The scorpions introduced a season ago did nothing to stop it, despite being teased as something that might even the odds. The Sellsword Company ex Machina, I mean the Golden Company, were introduced so that they could be roasted by dragon fire. Euron gets his fleet burned and loses a sword fight with a man missing his sword hand. The oh so hyped fight between the Clegane brothers came about in the most contrived fashion and it was really hard to get invested in the outcome. Did Sandor ever mention hating his brother before this episode? Certainly not for several seasons. Whatever was left of Jaime Lannister died when he said that he never actually cared about the people of King's Landing. Those would be the same people he sacrificed his reputation to save. Was this tragic irony or simply bad writing? Whatever, our favourite twincests get to die in each other's arms. Arya's plot armour has reached anime levels; it's ridiculous.

    I still have no idea what the point of the bells that gave this episode it's title was supposed to be. At first, ringing them to signal surrender seemed like something Tyrion had just thought up: he tells Dany to listen for them and then he tells Jaime to have them rung. But then, we have random people calling for the bells to ring, like it's a common signal for surrender. If this were the case though, why would Tyrion need to tell people what they meant? The most likely explanation is that it was supposed to be a recognized signal of surrender, but this was never actually 

    Also, does anybody know what Meera Reed, Yara Greyjoy, Edmure Tully, Quaithe, Daario Naharis, Illyrio Mopathis, Jaquen H'Ghar, Robert Arryn, The Hill Tribes of the Vale, Kinvara, Salladhor Saan and Ilyn Payne are up to? 

    Sure, they commit suicide one after the other before the script writers have a chance to get them. 

  3. 1 hour ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

    Yes, because pushing forward to the finish while cutting corners, sabotaging character arcs and dropping plotlines is commendable.

    You are right and I agree with you but I believe we cant really judge as far as it concerns the storyline because we don't know where DD end and where Martin ends. And the worst part of it is that Martin never wrote the continuation so we won't know. Now he has time to revise and adjust his books to create more solid plot lines and throwing the blame on DD because he can. 

    For example Jamie's arc was so extremely ruined. No real development and not even realism. You don't go back to a woman who tried to kill you. But how do we know this was not Martin's idea which he transferred to DD and they make it even worst trying to deliver it under 10 minutes? 

    How can this thing not to be a mess? You have a writer whose missing, unable to put his own ideas on paper and 2 show runners who want 

    1. to wrap it up and be done

    2. keep the same major plot points but follow television-show rules for the sake of the actors, the fan fanservice and the ratings

    3. give the same end 

    4. stick in budget

    well this was a very high bet all along and it simply collapsed. 

    And I do hope that nobody reads Martin's books because he is so lazy with his material and got so comfortable with the money he took, that forgot to deliver his books, especially to "protect" his intellectual child from abuse at the hands of the producers. But he didn't care. That's the obvious answer.

     Also I am bored by his twisted fantasy that delivers the same message again and again with every character; the greed for power bla..bla..bla.. so the development remains stagnant because you know what? it never gets beyond that point.

    I am really sorry that I spend so many years watching the show and reading the books in order to discover that his definition of realism  is nihilism and his definition of bittersweet is tragedy.  

    Sorry, needed some steam out...

  4. 23 minutes ago, Wsc48 said:

    Currently 111 rating it at 1/10

    Speaks much to the current state of the show. 

    For me it proves that the effects, the smoke, the large production, costumes and everything else, can't just buy common sense and logic that people always search in a story. Despite their effort to make this as impressive as possible if the script falls apart, everything falls apart with it.  

  5. 1 minute ago, Ser Lepus said:

    Dany gains NOTHING from burning the commoners. The freaking Red Keep was in front of her like a sitting duck, waiting to be attacked, and she chose to slaughter the commoners instead! These aren't "normal" medieval atrocities, that are "I am gonna burn my subjects for no reason, so TV watchers will know that I am mad and evil durr durr!"

    Haha, yes I guess the show runners wanted us to get the message in just a scene instead of a slower development. Saved themselves time. 

  6. 1 minute ago, Lord Varys said:

    I don't talk about the show nonsense, I talk about the potential of George having his Dany - or any other character - do something even remotely similar. Even George's Dany became a raving lunatic she would still get an internal reason why she was doing that. We would read her POV. We would understand why she thinks she has to do this.

    There is zero of this kind of thing in the show, and zero reason to assume that people would actually give a damn about the lives of those people even if something like this were done to them. Because there would be a reason why Dany - or anyone - thought it would be necessary.

    Because in this book series nobody is going to think for a second about the lives of innocent people on the other side. If they cared about that, they would not fight wars which are basically just over who has the best blood claim to rule something. Nor would they risk the lives of tens of thousands of people in their personal blood feuds.

    True, but still the this circle of potential kings or kings that are going "rotten", "useless", "dangerous" to advance or establish themselves has been the mainly focus and narrative of the story ever since it started. I am disappointed because I expected Dany's arc to be used in another way and not just a repetition of the story already told.

    In General: 

    For me its very disappointing that the story does not progress in actually developing and maturing the characters. 

    Another very good example of this is Jamie. Reading a story of a character who finishes right at the point where he had started. This is frustrating because you don't need a whole show of 8 seasons to reach the conclusions that he is enslaved to Cersei. Or that Targs can go bersek. That's actually one of the first thing we learn about the Mad King. And it feels like cheating us into reading. 

    If I knew that this whole story just makes circles around itself, actually presenting the same story with a different king or candidate every single time, I wouldn't read it because the point of story  is exhausted by book 4. 

  7. 9 minutes ago, Ilissa said:

    Do not lie to yourself. They promised a common ending with the books. This is it. Mad Queen burns the King's Landing. It's terrible, but it's true.

    I really don't want to read the other two books. 
    I so regret that many years ago I bought the first book. I would never do that if I knew the end.

    I agree. It was a waste of time for me too. 

  8. 9 hours ago, Pumpkin G. Snark said:

    OK, but what about Dany and Jon? Some think that all this talk about True North seems to suggest that Jon will eventually move there and reunites with Ghost and Tormund. Would it be bittersweet? I really can’t see Jon’s eventual fate from here. He died once so he (unlike Beric) might live. The main point: I’m not sure Jon’s actions in Season 8 (as well as his words, interactions with others…) are interesting enough. He lacks something. He’s never been a great thinker but he always was a man of action. His role in the Battle for the Dawn was not insignificant (he unites people, he – among others – organizes the defense, he rides a war-dragon…), but now’s the time for the game of thrones again. And his role in this game isn’t clear. He says again and again that he doesn’t want to sit on the Iron Throne. And Dany doesn't believe him. She can’t understand it.

    John is another chapter that is quite disappointing but I guess most viewers will be happy just seeing him making it out of this mess. But as a character, at least in the show, his true identity is nothing more than a point of conflict for the throne.

    But I am not surprised. For example Beric was resurrected so many times in order to save Arya in the corridor? (He served his purpose as Melisandre said). And we are like: "And that was all?"  

    Let's say that Jon served his purpose bringing the Widlings to safety, taking Winterfell, then dooming them all  (because how else would the wall fall as the show runners said) and finally killing the Mad Queen.  

    I don't know its really devastating to see the potential of the characters and how its wasted. 

  9. On 4/30/2019 at 12:54 PM, Kajjo said:

    I agree. I don't want to wish away our desire for some depth here, for explanations, more background, better motivation of Children, Raven, Others. Yes, I would have liked all that, too. I miss it. I even hope that we will get a few more explanations eventually, even though I doubt it now.

    But on the other hand it was a mistake committed by many watchers to solely focus on the Nightking storyline.

    What is the name of the series? Game of Thrones.

    What 90% of all scenes and threads centered around? The Iron Throne.

    The Nightking was ONE additional thread, something orthogonal to the competition for the Iron Throne.  Something were people have to wotrk together to beat a much greater threat. They did it, the threat is neutralized (let's hope so). Now it's the run for the throne once again.

    I sincerely like that. It would have been petty nonsense to watch seven seasons of emotions, hardship, intrigue, sex, violence, battles just to get the conclusion: Doesn't matter, only the Nightking counts.

    It is realistic that after beating a extraordinary danger to everyone, the normal competition will again arise. This is an interesting psychological concept all too true in the real world.

    While I agree that you tubers made a great damage over analyzing everything and certainly developing all sorts of stupid theories out of nowhere for their own profit, creating a great deal of expectations, let’s not forget all the promotion we got even from actors themselves who said that this season is about survival. The season promotional image being the night king, everything centered around the great battle, even show runners themselves telling us the length it took for this episode, the conditions, even after letters to the cast to thank them, especially for this,  they also made a great investment in Night Kings battle and heavily promoted it, leading also to great expectations. In the cover for season 8 I see the Night king, not Cersei. 

     So if this was their big asset, and we are over that, what are we to expect for the continuation? 

  10. 1 minute ago, longest night said:

    I am definitely not attempting to theorize. I won't theorize the TV show because I know they are bad writers. Those questions are just so damn obvious, I am wondering how the writing could be this bad,

    I know. They don’t make sense but they don’t care also. I have stopped all theories trying to guess since it’s a show of impressions. Still feel sorry about fans that are trying to make a sense out of this or come with another theory that the show may serve or not. 

  11. 23 minutes ago, longest night said:

    There's just a various number of questions I have.

    1. Why did Bran need Jon to know about his father and mother right at that moment? Wouldn't that indicate his birth was important to the upcoming battle or the defeat of the Night King? Which is exactly what was suppose to have happened. Yet here we are, nothing from it. 
    2. Why has every vision that Bran has had to specifically to do with Jon? Yet again, nothing came of it.
    3. Why was Bran waiting for Jaime, yet Jaime had no major part in the War for the Dawn?
    4. What was Bran doing exactly when he warged those ravens? We never actually saw him do anything, but he stayed that way for awhile.
    5. Where is Yohn Royce and the knights of the Vale? Last we saw him he was with Sansa.
    6. Why did so many major characters survive?
    7. Why is Bran alive if his character arc is complete?

     

    Honestly I think that all these are valid questions but none of this has an answer. Fans are reading too much into script and YouTube with all the fan theories and discussions, everybody looking for clues even inside NK’s eye is just too much, it hasn’t helped.

    Sure one of ten theories may come alive especially the ones that are foreshadowed in the books like Johns parents or perhaps Tyrion’s betrayal but from a point on nothing means more than what it means. It’s a show. Apparently they invest on effects so the rest is history. They are not going to answer every detail. 

  12. 36 minutes ago, Adam Targaryen said:

    Does anyone realise that almost ALL of the Dothraki are now dead? An entire race of people who have lived over like a third of Essos just wiped from the face of Planetos? Of course there are probably a few of them left but if I understand correctly, Daenerys became khaleesi of all - or at least the vast majority - of the Dothraki in season 6, so maybe that was all the Dothraki in the world or close to it. I do think that at least 20-25 % are left, because some might have stayed behind or refused to join her, and of course half of them are women and children and do not fight, but still. Possibly almost all adult male Dothraki on Planetos dead in 5 minutes...

    This was a heavy loss indeed. I am not even sure if the unsullied survived but then unsullied are not a race. Dothraki took a heavy loss so the moral teaching would be; don’t follow foreigners. This is what happens to all who pass the sea. Not a good point for the show to make. 

  13. 42 minutes ago, briantw said:

    I mean, the Night King is kind of an asshole on the show.  Stared Jon down while raising all the fallen wildlings at Hardhome.  Pretended he was going to take Jon on in single combat last night, but then smugly raised the dead around him and walked away.  Smirked at Dany when her dragonfire did jack shit to kill him.  

    Maybe he just wanted to look Bran in the eye when he killed him so Bran knew he was beat?

    You are right, and he did make a big entrance appearing to Bran with all the white walkers around him. Along with Bran being the 3ER so he wanted to personally seal the deal. Also I think he felt secure enough since all of his opponents where occupied one way or another. And all of these became his weakness. But I somehow expected him to be more cool than this. 

  14. 2 minutes ago, #teamNightking said:

    It's funny. I feel like her entire arc makes sense towards this. 

    Why else all the time spent spent training to be a super faceless woman assassin? 

    And the Chekhov's gun dagger was in her possession. 

    It just steals another's character arc, Arya killing NK is like...

    John killing the Frey's

    Tyrion Killing the Boltons...

    Dany Killing Littlefinger...

    Sansa killing the Waif and so on...

     

  15. Just now, Ice Queen said:

    Nope, no explanation, but maybe it's like how and why Lord Voldemort wanted to personally kill Harry Potter. 

    I wish they offered a better explanation why he had to come down from the clouds and do it himself, at least so we can justify why he lost the war. 

  16. 24 minutes ago, JackSnowOfHouseBolton said:

    They killed the show last night. They took it from a 10 to a 6. It was almost like watching an entire different show to the past 6 seasons. Since day one the white walkers were meant to be the big end game of the show. From the first episode. 8 seasons of “winter is coming” produced a massive 9 year long flop. It was ridiculously bad writing. All the character development and plots over the past 6-7 seasons completely thrown out of the window. It’s almost like the producers got writers block and just decided to kill off the white walkers plot in a rushed way. What is the point of bran? Why did we suffer seasons of him? He was pointless. Why did the NK go to kill him? He was already winning and on the mainland. What was the point of ressurecting Jon Snow? Its laughable that for 9 years its been all about how winter was coming and going to destroy the human race and how the wall was keeping out death, and then this almighty death god cant even make it past winterfell against a bunch of rag tags, and an arya start teleports out of nowhere, while bran was completely surrounded by NK and his commanders, and an entire undead army, and still manages to kill the NK with a knife to the knee. It just shits on the whole 9 years of viewing this show. Literally anyone could have done That. Might as well have a maid trip over and spill boiling water on him and watch him melt it was that bizarre. What was the point of 9 years of build up just for the guy to not even make it past the first hurdle? There were far greater and more desperate feeling battles than last nights episode yet it was meant to be the big one. I never did like the white walker story line. It felt like a bad walking dead bit. Doesnt really fit in with the GoT world tbh. But last night ruined the show for me. They should have atleast have the NK win winterfell, the main characters retreat to kings landing, winter falls on kings landing as they all group together with cersei to kill the NK, losing most characters along the way, only for cersei to betray them at the very end etc.

    now it will be predictable. Im guessing Jon snow will 100% die saving Dany, sansa sits on the throne, cersei is ousted but not killed, manages to run away and gives birth and tells the baby that it will grow up to reclaim the throne and ends on a cliffhanger somewhat.

     

    Actually they killed it last season, especially last season, when John and Tyrion along with Brans vision led with their choices to the destruction of the wall just for the show runners to say that there was no other way for the night king to pass that wall...unless he could get a dragon. From there on all logic fails since from heroes they are turned to zeroes. Plus best plan seemed to be Cersei’s; have a cup of wine and let them be...let them be... 

    ok so they opened the door of hell now they made up for it somehow (after all it wasn’t Cersei’s mistake) was it, why should she fight it? 

    If someone follows the logic of the show up to the battle last night, and wants to exaggerate it can say that apparently Cersei ‘s apathy was the best tactic all along.

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