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    I don’t get the “Love is the Death of Duty”

    Actually I don’t find any virtue or feeling or value that is not lethal or doesn’t end up in death or doom in game of thrones, which for me is also ridiculous. As I wrote in another post there is nothing that can stand as a moral teaching. Love kills you... honor kills you... Duty kills you... revenge kills you... innoncence kills you... betrayal kills you... royalty kills you... whatever the motive it doesn’t matter. Everything ends up in nihilism. So for me it doesn’t matter what he tries to suggest. I dont take it seriously enough to analyze any of that stuff.
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    The Ending Was very conventional

    John’s character is so badly written. I don’t even know where to start but now that some time has passed after the end you can see his character dragging so much after his resurrection. Instead of becoming a man of his own mind he is constantly manipulated by others. A second wheel. Like his usefulness as a character is only to serve his sisters, the men in the North and much later Tyrion. He is emptied of true narrative and meaningful dialogues. Fails to understand the world around him, acts cowardly assasinating a woman who trusts him without speaking his mind against her actions, and then happily leaves for the wall to live as a monk the rest of his life, actually thanking the people that used him for their own means. What a pathetic ending for a supposed hero or the prince who was promised. Led so many people to their deaths with stupid decisions and then goes to live free in total ignorance. This is not about Jon but for the writing of Jon who turns from a promised prince to an ignorant fool with minus understanding of the world around him. The writers made it so you can’t really approach any character without feeling disgusted by what they become and ending up bashing them.
  3. HBO should write somewhere the fans opinion of this disaster they called ending... they wouldn’t dare of course but none of their summaries or posts or articles make sense anymore for people to even pay attention.
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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    More simply because that was his character all along with no ambition for power. He was elected king of the north by accident, then the revelation of his identity comes and promises to Dany he doesn’t want to make a use out of it. He is honest at least about it, I think he accepts his “punishment” as a way to break free from all the toxic environment and also to redeem himself for taking a life. Kind of...
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    Arya the Explorer

    It doesn’t matter. She has plot armor.
  6. moral lessons; the south kills you the north kills you love kills you duty kills you honor kills you the roof kills you your relatives kill you your friends kill you greed kills you poverty kills you the bad guys kill you the good guys kill you so go and live in a cave with the wildlings and have a king for a tree so you can survive your lasting days after everyone you loved is dead from the things above. Or assign yourself to the faceless God next door... Practical... and most of all realistic.
  7. Taking time to reflect on the story after the great storm has passed, I think it’s a bad story in overall, not just the execution, perhaps DD could have worked it better from the narrative point of view but since all the major plots are the same, for me at least it was a bad story with a very anticlimatic ending, wasted characters, meaningless dramatization. It left a very unpleasant and bitter taste, and it’s not even believable since the end comes from another dimension.
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    What was the purpose of Jon Snow?

    The character is a disappointment specially for the fans that were expecting the weight of Jon’s revelation to be critical for the WW, but it seemed it only served to doom Dany. Honestly I think he had been overestimated as a character by the fans (unfortunately). And so his legacy, didn’t mean a thing other than being popular and confusing the fans into a pseudo debate about him being the rightful air. There was no rightful air after all since Bran was to sit on the throne. Complete idiotic story. It could be him or anyone in his shoes, even Dany falling for Jamie would do the job. Lol.
  9. I agree with you. Irrelevant to the discussion, yet somehow in topic, I have come to feel disgust of this show or story or whatever as it literally has nothing good to say about human nature. The good guys turn to bad guys and that that’s all folks. Thanks for watching.
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    Ned/Jon

    But I remember that Jon didn’t want to fight, at that point he wanted to move south but Ramsey’s letter came and Sansa used the argument they had to save Rickon?
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    The aftermatch of the decision made by D&D

    Not on the expense of the script and the narrative. Since they couldn’t succeed in script as they did with visuals, they should try balance it. I wouldn’t mind. For example the first season and up to 4 were far better in narrative and still the quality was excellent.
  12. With no conditions to be able to interfere. So he did gave them the ok to write a fan fiction out of it.
  13. Doesn’t Tyrion mentions at the council when they elect Bran that this was also Dany’s wish? I don’t remember the exact line but it seemed she wanted to be monarch and after her death to be a kind of council that would elect their rulers. As she did with Mereen.
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    Why Did the Show Turn on Jon?

    What convience Sansa? Killing The mother of Dragons proved to be easier, more time efficient and far less dangerous for his mental health. It also came with free tickets for the forgotten ice lands of the wild north. Miss such an opportunity?
  15. That’s a very nice narrative and a fresh approach. Without having the time to disagree because I believe that script writers were never thoughtful, just followed Martins outline and did a mess with her narrative aiming for shock, I really appreciate the effort.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    I agree, Sansa just wanted to be Queen in the North, it never came well to her that the Northerners had given Jon the throne, so creating a conflict between Jon and Dany was her great opportunity to actually get rid of both; As it happened. And Bran was supposed to be neutral and even said to Tyrion he had no interest in ruling Winterfell. Well Tyrion was asking the wrong question, he should have questioned him about the throne of Westeros. “Ah for that, I have packed my things and promised Sansa the North so when do we leave?”
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Right Bran went: “you need to tell him Sam and he needs to know”, only to tell us in the end that he had already packed his suitcases for the throne. Sansa betrayed Jon to Varys to get Dany out of the way and didn’t care about the implications. Because becoming Queen in the North was more important from protecting her brother or keeping his secrets as family. And since personally she had nothing to lose the gain was greater than the risk; Jon was stupid enough to protect her. At the end he proves to be indeed stupid as he thanks them, but he was only used as a tool for them to get the thrones.
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    Why Did the Show Turn on Jon?

    Neither Dany nor Jon are meant to rule Westeros, apparently it’s Bran (still I don’t know why) but nevermind they needed to reach this conclusion somehow so they made this stupid council scene which was a parody: Greyworm told Tyrion not be speak but Tyrion spoke nevertheless and even told Greyworm that Jon’s fate will be determined by the new King. Hello, the city is under military command. What king? Anyway Greyworm IQ suddenly drops below zero and leaves them to choose a King between themselves aka Jon’s relatives and friends. Imagine every time you went to court the judges to be your mom, sister, brother, second cousin, your best friend, his friends etc. Tyrion who is supposed not to speak tells them that Bran has the best story because he is a collection of all the stories - you know like Netflix but with real people. Pure entertainment but with no subscription. Tyrion loves to have fun, so with Bran he will never get bored. Probably...just in case, Bran’s connection goes down, Tyrion puts Bron on the council because they both love dick jocks. Double entertainment. Arya has her dagger ready just in case anyone tries to mess around and Sansa states she wishes for the North to be independent. Not that Jon, even as prisoner should be asked because he was the one they had put in charge but prisoners as we know don’t speak. Unless you are Tyrion. Then you come to suggest also the ruler on your own trial. Not only that but then Bran chooses him to be the Hand of the king so he is given mercy? And his punishment is he has the chance to correct his mistakes? So what happens until he learns? How many will die? And that’s a punishment for him, seriously and not for the citizens? Greyworm suffers from brain damage so he accepts. Back to Queen Sansa now and King Bran...ok all spots taken? And Jon? Well he can take the road and never come back with the wildlings, the dire wolves and the night king himself. After all he always had wanted to be a ranger. Talking about a carreer, ten years ago and when he thought to be a bastard. So no improvement? No development? At least a carreer change? A climate change? Something? Oh come on. The end is gonna be bittersweet. How is the poor writer is going to achieve that if you keep complaining about everything? Yes he will do what he did ten years ago and be happy about it and you should be happy about it, because that’s life. And a tree for king! I also think the soundtrack of looney tunes would fit well here. To be honest the council is very laughable and entertaining. If you don’t take it seriously you obviously have a good time making fun out of it.
  19. The king Beyond the wall...who may never return because Greyworm who is miles away said so and his tree brother became King in his place so he can enforce Greyworm’s punishment? “He must know Sam, you must tell him” But now it seems he had already packed his luggage for the throne two seasons back and had bought to Jon a nice new coat for the harsh winter i still can’t get over these nonsense.
  20. Serve as exhile punishment? And why can’t John return, who will punish him Bran? And how does Greyworm know that Jon will execute his service? Bran will send him ravens? Can this seriously be what Martin wrote?
  21. I guess Jon is so dumb because his supposed to be the good guy?
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    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    Yes but that’s theoretically, what happens in practice is that he doesn’t want it and thus has no reason to share it with other people who may start a war on his name. I would understand all of these arguements if Jon hadn’t refuse the throne to Dany and hadn’t insisted he is not into it. Aemon had a similar case when his older brother died and everybody supported him for the throne, he was in the Night Watch if I remember correct, but he just declined making his rightful air the next in line. So it has happened before and the main issue is Jon wishes, not what others want. In this case since nobody know he doesn’t need to perplex things by telling them. Dany has also to worry about her life as we saw for example assasin attempts against her and such. Its a cruel world.
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    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    Not then, but he declared to Dany that he doesn't want it and that he will refuse. We are supposed to believe him because he is man of honor. And back then he was unprepared, now it seems that he has done his decision.
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