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Gendelsdottir

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  1. Not disagreeing one bit. When I say "major rewrite," though, I'm talking about a complete, gut the place to the bare walls, floor-to-ceiling renovation. Inlcuding, but not limited to, the notion of Bran & Sansa divvying up Westeros betwixt the two of them. I, too, find that idea quite silly.
  2. I see at least 4 ways this could go down, yer basic 2x2 matrix. There are, no doubt, other outcomes I haven't thought of. One - The main characters end up the same way as they do on the show. The story is told with richness, sensitivity & depth. We see through the eyes of many characters, some of whom are not young hotties. Fancy that! Book Six expands to 2 volumes; Book Seven to 3. Two - The main characters end up the same way as the show. As with the show, the narrative viewpoint tightens sharply. Secondary characters (i.e. the old crocks) are shuffled off. Dany fumigates KL & takes a dagger to the heart. Sansa & Bran take their thrones. Jon & Arya take off for points north & west respectively. Several major Westerosi families collapse; upjumped sellswords take their places. Essos? What's that? Books Six & Seven come in at a tidy 500pp each. Three - A major rewrite is mooted, in order that the main characters do not end up yada yada. Eight years have passed since aDwD came out. The show is done & dusted. Very much water has gone under the bridge. The world - o tempora o mores! - and its book-buying public are not the same as before. Thoroughgoing editorial change leads to massive headaches & ennui for all concerned. These thousand-plus-page doorstoppers don't just write themselves, ya know. Four - A major rewrite is not mooted, but now that the ending's been blown, who needs books? Let's just everybody move on, shall we? A short-story collection, maybe two, covering the winter-to-spring period. Targaryen exceptionalism, Old Valyrian hijinx - loads of sex 'n' death goodness to be explored there. Waaayy more "story." If you will. Ahem. Specific plot points? Not even gonna bother! My expectations are always subverted, no matter what they are.
  3. I ride on no one's bandwagon. There were things in Season 7 I found sketchy, like that bullshit manufactured tension with Arya & Sansa over Littlefinger. I read the books during the hiatus between Seasons 7 and 8, then did a bit of contrast & compare. And realized that with only 6 episodes to go, there was no way the remainder of the story could be adequately addressed. It was like picking up a secondhand copy of Pandora's Star, reading & reading & reading & bloody reading, pinching the last 50-or-so pages between my fingers and thinking, "No way dude can finish up all the plot threads in this one volume. There has to be another big book." But imagine if Peter Hamilton had done just that - crammed all the remaining story into the last 50-odd pages. That was Season 8 in a nutshell. People were going to be disappointed for a variety of reasons - their character got shafted, plotlines they were enjoying got dropped, whatever - but they gave the show the benefit of the doubt until all possible doubt was gone.
  4. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6027920/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast (And it's a pain that it's necessary to look it up, since the show didn't explain.)
  5. I agree with that much. "They are upset because they wanted a Disney ending" is to assert, without proof, the reason(s) for someone else's state of mind. Unless, of course, you know for a fact that they are a full-on Disney tragic who blogs & tweets & posts about the Disneyverse every chance they get. Fans find it entertaining to divide themselves into camps ("I'm in Team A!" "Fool! Team B is better!") and throw rotten apples at each other. Never really understood it, myself, but oh well. Perhaps this is a metaphor for the show itself.
  6. Please! There is no *right* way to watch a TV show. Poking fun at absurdity is one thing (I'm certainly guilty of it) but outright mocking other groups of fans for their opinions? Mean-spirited. Swearing never to watch a show or a movie again, or buy a book? I feel the rage & pain, but pop culture is a smorgasbord, and we'll find different things to enjoy soon enough. Topic: There have been times when, watching this show, I've groaned out loud or yelled at the screen. The Jaime/Euron fight in this ep was groan-worthy. There have been huuuge problems with timing and character development in general, and the dialogue in recent seasons has been godawful or completely missing. But I've still liked many aspects. Cinematically the show has been a feast for the eyes - at least when they kept the lights on. I've loved the costumes, jewelry and set dressing. I don't expect anyone to see things the exact same way I do, and it's interesting to me to hear other perspectives from other posters, even if I don't always agree with them. I have different expectations for the one remaining episode of the show than I do for the remaining novels, but that's a whole 'nother post.
  7. For all those confused about Dany's scorched-earth policy, I say the answer is obvious. It was a public-health measure! The mortality & morbidity rates from flea- and rat-borne infectious diseases are going to plummet! Of course, the population as a whole has also plummeted rather drastically, but those who remain will be healthy as anything. That is, once the third-degree burns heal. Ahem. Oh, and tell the maesters to forget about White Walker lore and have them go full Search Engine on how burns units operated in Dance of the Dragons times. They'll need that info for as long as Drogon is still around. And speaking of Drogon - getting out of the North clearly did him the world of good. The warmer temperatures helped him regain his lost mojo, his dracarys, and his ability to dodge incoming missiles (not that there were many of them). Jaime/Cersei. Much as I dislike the way they were writer-forced into that last scene together, the actors sold the hell out of it. Well done, you two. I suppose there's a minuscule chance they'll crawl out from under tonnes of broken stone, but I doubt it. We're in contraction mode here - fewer characters, fewer locations, little or no magic, as little flesh on the plot skeleton as possible. Cleganebowl - another checkbox cleared. Sandor went out like a boss, yo. Arya. Oh, for the love of the gods, old & new. Slumped against the side of a building, regains consciousness bloody, dazed, covered in white dust. Anybody else get a strong "collapse of the Twin Towers" vibe off this? Only me? Okay. The fricken horse - oh, for the love of whatever other gods there be. I picture the scene in the writing room thus: No. 1: ... And then, after Arya escapes certain death for the fifth time, a unicorn comes to her rescue. No. 2: No, no, we can't do that! We agreed the dragons could stay in, since they're cool, but otherwise no more magic, remember? No. 1: Oh, right. Guess it'll have to be just a horse, then. Having said all of this, I actually *enjoyed* watching this ep, for two reasons. First, it looked fan-friggen-tastic. The billows of green smoke when Drogon lit up caches of wildfire placed by Aerys, or Cersei, or Qyburn, or who gives a toss. Second, the stupid was not quite so glaring this time, except for the moment involving a certain kraken-lord whose name rhymes with "moron." Plus you could actually see everything that happened! Bonus! Hell's bells, I may even re-watch it to catch those little moments with Varys mentioned by other posters - at his writing desk, Tyrion's arm-touching gesture, stuff like that. One more to go!
  8. I wasn't bothered at all. This is a fictional universe where boys turn into full-grown men at age 16 or earlier. Girls are married off before menarche and impregnated as soon as they flower. Thus, not problematic - and hey, at least it was her idea, not something forced on her. By the old gods and the new, I hope it will, too!
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