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  1. My thoughts exactly. Jon's arc to kinghood has been too well developed for it to end so bitter. He is at this point the only character who can answer the "What's Aragon's tax policy" question of GRRM. Besides fatherhood is a theme that heavily occurs in his narrative. I refuse to believe that all that foreshadowing was all in vain. The way things ended up in the show is not bittersweet, it's just bitter and very hollow.
  2. @SirArthur Yeah, the thread was shut down after I put the link. If you want I can DM you some posts that support Jonsa. Just let me know and I will send them. @Azarial I disagree. R+L=J is more likely to impact the political side of ASOIAF rather than the magical one.
  3. @SirArthur You will be surprised at how many clues there are towards Jon and Sansa. Here and here. These are just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more hints and I can share more of them if you want. Just say so and I will provide with more.
  4. @kissdbyfire Then let me word it better. There are a lot of clues that hint to a possible Jon/Sansa romance.
  5. @kissdbyfire You say that any clues towards Jon and Sansa is invalid because it hasn't happened yet, but can't the same logic be used towards R+L=J too? That hasn't happened yet either. What makes one theory more valid than the other?
  6. @kissdbyfire I find it fascinating you say this in this thread of all places. The argument you use against Jon/Sansa can be used against R+L=J too.
  7. I understand and sympathize with your revulsion, but the matter of the fact is, that there's a lot of foreshadowing towards Jon and Sansa in the books.
  8. When I mean "father" I am talking about Ned for Jon and Littlefinger for Sansa. They both were married to a Tully woman.
  9. We all know that Jon is coming back, that is a given, but what happens afterwards? He would still want to save Arya. However when he meets her Jon will realize it's Jeyne not Arya all along. He would be devestated and probably lose his will to live. He needs someone to give him purpose and at this point only his family can give him the will to live. Sansa and Jon meeting each other would be good for both of them. She would have someone who she can rely on and trust unconditionally and he would have someone who can give him purpose. How can you be against this?
  10. Yes, Sansa doesn't know Ramsay, but that doesn't mean she will never meet him, because, unfortunately, there's a lot of hunting imagery going on in her TWOW chapter and as of now we never have seen Ramsay hunt a female character we know. Plus according to Benioff and Weiss Sansa has very few chapters in the Vale. So something or someone will make Sansa get out from the Vale. Perhaps she will be kidnapped or leave there voluntarily, but in the end, she will come to the conclusion she is no longer save with Little Finger and go to, what she assumes, her last of her kin (Jon at Castle Black). She will, most likely, go by ship to the North. By the time she gets at White Harbor, she will be mistaken for Jeyne (due to her dark hair) and captured & taken to Winterfell. Very dark speculation, I know, but it is within the realm of possibility. Fortunately though since Jon has sent Mance Rayder to Winterfell he might help her escape and from there we could get a very interesting subversion of the fairytale Little Red Riding Hood: Little Red Riding Hood (Sansa) runs away from her grandmother's home (Lyarra Stark from Winterfell) in order to get to her family (Jon at Castle Black) but on the way, an evil huntsman (Ramsay) starts chasing her and she gets saved by the big good wolf (Ghost!Jon).
  11. I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but I think that Sansa's identity as Alayne Stone may be the strongest foreshadowing for the R+L=J case yet. Their true father's actions indirectly caused a rebellion (Rhaegar eloping with Lyanna / Ned finding out the truth about Joffrey's birth) A tyrannical king executing a Stark(s) really starts that Rebellion They have to be kept a secret from a Baratheon monarch (Robert/Cersei - she's a Baratheon through marriage) Their uncles pass them off as their bastard children (LF is her uncle through marriage) Both their "father's" wife is a Tully who isn't happy about them being there Both hide their true identity through "dark" hair (Jon being lucky enough to have been born with the Stark look and Sansa dying her red hair) Both take on a new name, "Alayne" being that of LF's mother, "Jon" being named after a man who was a father to Ned If Littlefinger is now her "father" then Lysa is her stepmom, and her mother "Catelyn) becomes her aunt. So in a weird way, Alayne's "aunt" is her "mom", which mirrors Jon with Lyanna. By becoming "Alayne" she essentially becomes Robert Arryn's "sister" but in her real identity, they are cousins (just as Jon and the Starks.) Robert develops a crush on his "sister" without knowing she's really his cousin (a possible hint to a future Jon/Sansa romance?) Robert Arryn's mom is believed to have been killed by a singer (Marillion) just as Lyanna is believed to have been killed by a singer (Rhaegar). Marillion creeping on Sansa might be paralleled to Rhaegar creeping on Lyanna (the age gap between them does make this dynamic very creepy).
  12. There's no emotional impact from Stannis reclaiming Winterfell and with him winning means that the Weirwood would burn, so again, there's no satisfaction in that. With Sansa and Jon thought it would be different. Thematically speaking Jon vs, Ramsay would be incredibly compelling. Bastard vs. Bastard. Plus Sansa & Jon reclaiming Winterfell would leave the proper emotional impact. It would signify the rise of the Starks, A Time for Wolves. The Starks need to rally the North in order to survive the Long Night.
  13. Sansa and Jon meeting. How Jon's resurrection affects him and them reclaiming Winterfell.
  14. @Ser Carson, I agree that a kidnapping plot could happen, but it will be Lyn Cobray and the Mad Mouse doing it, not Little Finger. Sansa will, most likely, escape from them and instead of going back to the Vale I see her going in a different direction: Castle Black. Why? Because there's a lot of hunting imagery going on in this chapter. There's a scene where Sansa dreams of running with Jeyne and Arya. This could be a possible hint that Sansa's TWOW plot will be getting involved in the F!Arya plot. A possible scenario is that once Sansa lands on White Harbor by ship she will be captured by Bolton men who assume she's Jeyne - because of her dark hair and age - and bring her to Winterfell. A very dark scenario, considering we all know what Ramsay would do to Sansa, but we should keep in mind that this is a possibility. After all, it has been established that TWOW will be a very dark book. However, there's a silver lining in this: Mance Rayder. Jon has sent Mance to Winterfell in hopes he would save "Arya", but she is already gone from Winterfell. Mance is right now, assuming he has been captured by Ramsay, being tortured for nothing. That's cruel. Especially since he really wanted to save F!Arya. Wouldn't his sacrifice be better if he did save a daughter of Lord Eddard? And from this scenario, we would get a very interesting subversion of the fairy tale Little Red Riding Hood: Little Red Riding Hood (Sansa) runs away from her Grandmother's (Lyarra Stark) home (Winterfell) in order to get to her family. The evil huntsman (Ramsay) goes on a hunt for her but she gets saved by the good wolf (Ghost!Jon).
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