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  1. A Song Of Ice and Fire is not as nihilistic that some fans make it out to be, in fact, I would say it is pretty idealistic. Being kind and doing the right thing does get rewarded in the long run in Westeros. Example: the way the legacy of Ned and Tywin are treated.
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    R+L=J v.166

    @SirArthur Yeah, the thread was shut down after I put the link. If you want I can DM you some posts that support Jonsa. Just let me know and I will send them. @Azarial I disagree. R+L=J is more likely to impact the political side of ASOIAF rather than the magical one.
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    R+L=J v.166

    @SirArthur You will be surprised at how many clues there are towards Jon and Sansa. Here and here. These are just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more hints and I can share more of them if you want. Just say so and I will provide with more.
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    R+L=J v.166

    @kissdbyfire Then let me word it better. There are a lot of clues that hint to a possible Jon/Sansa romance.
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    R+L=J v.166

    @kissdbyfire You say that any clues towards Jon and Sansa is invalid because it hasn't happened yet, but can't the same logic be used towards R+L=J too? That hasn't happened yet either. What makes one theory more valid than the other?
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    R+L=J v.166

    @kissdbyfire I find it fascinating you say this in this thread of all places. The argument you use against Jon/Sansa can be used against R+L=J too.
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    R+L=J v.166

    I understand and sympathize with your revulsion, but the matter of the fact is, that there's a lot of foreshadowing towards Jon and Sansa in the books.
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    R+L=J v.166

    When I mean "father" I am talking about Ned for Jon and Littlefinger for Sansa. They both were married to a Tully woman.
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    ASoIaF and LotR commentary, comparison and parallels

    Dany as Gollum is a good comparison, but Galadriel with the one ring is a better one, and with a little bit of Denethor.
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    That AGoT line foreshadowing the last scene of ADoS

    I actually think it will be Jeyne, not Arya, who will be found frozen with a needle in her hand. Something tells me that in the next book Jeyne Poole will meet an unfortunate incident before she even gets to Castle Black and dies in the open and thereby fulfills the foreshadowing. That would be an interesting plot twist.
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    Who will know about Jon Snow at the end?

    What I would like to know is why are people so against the idea of Westeros knowing of Jon´s parentage? Is it because of how cliché it will be? I hardly doubt GRRM would painstakingly build this plot up without making use of it, and no, I don't think it will be for the battle of dawn. Jon is the only character who is the answer to GRRM's question, "What was Aragon's tax policy", and if Jon basically is the "Aragon" in this story then he will barely have a role in the fight against the Others. After all Aragon also never played a huge role in the quest to destroy the ring, that was Frodo, and the only character who remotely comes close to being Frodo in ASOIAF is Bran. He will be the "unlikely" hero for the battle of Dawn. So if the R+L=J plotline will not have an effect on the magical plotline the only logical assumption is that Jon's parentage reveal would affect the political landscape and like it or not, but the reveal of who Jon is would be incredibly huge.
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    Who will know about Jon Snow at the end?

    At very least The North will know about it.
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    Events you are most looking forward to see in TWOW

    We all know that Jon is coming back, that is a given, but what happens afterwards? He would still want to save Arya. However when he meets her Jon will realize it's Jeyne not Arya all along. He would be devestated and probably lose his will to live. He needs someone to give him purpose and at this point only his family can give him the will to live. Sansa and Jon meeting each other would be good for both of them. She would have someone who she can rely on and trust unconditionally and he would have someone who can give him purpose. How can you be against this?
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    Events you are most looking forward to see in TWOW

    Yes, Sansa doesn't know Ramsay, but that doesn't mean she will never meet him, because, unfortunately, there's a lot of hunting imagery going on in her TWOW chapter and as of now we never have seen Ramsay hunt a female character we know. Plus according to Benioff and Weiss Sansa has very few chapters in the Vale. So something or someone will make Sansa get out from the Vale. Perhaps she will be kidnapped or leave there voluntarily, but in the end, she will come to the conclusion she is no longer save with Little Finger and go to, what she assumes, her last of her kin (Jon at Castle Black). She will, most likely, go by ship to the North. By the time she gets at White Harbor, she will be mistaken for Jeyne (due to her dark hair) and captured & taken to Winterfell. Very dark speculation, I know, but it is within the realm of possibility. Fortunately though since Jon has sent Mance Rayder to Winterfell he might help her escape and from there we could get a very interesting subversion of the fairytale Little Red Riding Hood: Little Red Riding Hood (Sansa) runs away from her grandmother's home (Lyarra Stark from Winterfell) in order to get to her family (Jon at Castle Black) but on the way, an evil huntsman (Ramsay) starts chasing her and she gets saved by the big good wolf (Ghost!Jon).
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    R+L=J v.166

    I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but I think that Sansa's identity as Alayne Stone may be the strongest foreshadowing for the R+L=J case yet. Their true father's actions indirectly caused a rebellion (Rhaegar eloping with Lyanna / Ned finding out the truth about Joffrey's birth) A tyrannical king executing a Stark(s) really starts that Rebellion They have to be kept a secret from a Baratheon monarch (Robert/Cersei - she's a Baratheon through marriage) Their uncles pass them off as their bastard children (LF is her uncle through marriage) Both their "father's" wife is a Tully who isn't happy about them being there Both hide their true identity through "dark" hair (Jon being lucky enough to have been born with the Stark look and Sansa dying her red hair) Both take on a new name, "Alayne" being that of LF's mother, "Jon" being named after a man who was a father to Ned If Littlefinger is now her "father" then Lysa is her stepmom, and her mother "Catelyn) becomes her aunt. So in a weird way, Alayne's "aunt" is her "mom", which mirrors Jon with Lyanna. By becoming "Alayne" she essentially becomes Robert Arryn's "sister" but in her real identity, they are cousins (just as Jon and the Starks.) Robert develops a crush on his "sister" without knowing she's really his cousin (a possible hint to a future Jon/Sansa romance?) Robert Arryn's mom is believed to have been killed by a singer (Marillion) just as Lyanna is believed to have been killed by a singer (Rhaegar). Marillion creeping on Sansa might be paralleled to Rhaegar creeping on Lyanna (the age gap between them does make this dynamic very creepy).
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