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  1. LearnToBeNoOne

    Glad that’s over.

    One of the worst series I’ve ever seen, that ending was atrocious. Definitely not something I would recommend, maybe seasons 1-4 at best. Some may think I’m exaggerating but season 8 has been terrible and that finale was garbage. It’s defined by ruined characters and a nonsensical plot. I’m so frustrated at what they’ve done with GRRM’s work, regardless of whether he’s taking the ending in a similar direction or not, it will not be so blunt. I wish I had just stuck to the books and not entertained the series. Will be watching nothing else related to GoT, if the book(s) are ever released I will be sticking to them. As if the Unsullied and the Dothraki would be intimidated by the Northerner’s. Jon would have been killed instantly and not taken as a prisoner. Look how much they’ve sacrificed for Dany as if they wouldn’t have died avenging her if that was the cost to pay. There’s so much more I want to rant about but I will join in the discussion on other posts later as well as this one if anybody decides to express their anger. I definitely need a break right now.
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    Glad that’s over.

    Haha, it’s a summary of the whole show now that it’s over. At the time I was enthusiastic about the next season and so on, I didn’t have the same opinion as I do now. There was clearly a decline but enough to make you continue watching, at one point you just don’t want to leave it unfinished. That’s how I am anyway. Season 8 though, disaster.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    That was absolutely embarrassing.
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    Jon & Drogon

    The burning of the Iron Throne was probably the only good thing. He lost his mother to it so burnt it, took her and left. Would have been even more embarrassing if Jon had gone off with him.
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    As much as some hate how this season has played out...

    I’m glad it’s over and will be watching nothing else related to GoT. Will also not be recommending it to anybody, maybe seasons 1-4 at best. I will just wait for the book(s) if they’re ever released and just enjoy them.
  6. They elevated Sansa’s character way too much. Highly overrated and top 3 worst characters for me. If they care about independence so much they should have fought their own war and don’t use the “it’s eveybody’s war” excuse please. In the end the NK wasn’t so hard to defeat anyway. The Stark’s annoy me so much.
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    "Bittersweet" can't happen in the show

    With three minutes to go, I am even less hopeful about this finale. It's the last ever episode and I can't help but think there's going to be enough content to rant for ages - disappointment knows no boundaries with D&D. Bitter sweet may be too late now or if possible may be some compensation towards how bad this season was. That's if they can get it right.
  8. Haha, well they should take what he has to say serious then - he's a veteran. It's very true that if there isn't a new book anytime soon then our sanity will be highly questionable.
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    Protagonist suddenly goes crazy in last chapter of epic

    I'm glad you feel the same way, it truly is a reflection of how disappointing this season has been. Exactly, the end point may be the same but the journey is what's most important. When it comes to GRRM we are on that journey with the characters involved whereas with D&D it's very instant with a lot of missing details. D&D will do whatever they want to regardless of whether it makes sense or not. At least we know when it comes to the Others in the books we will get a better understanding of them, it's yet to be covered in detail. In the series it was so rushed, a lot of build up to then just get them over and done with. I mean as much as there is foreshadowing and her demise seeming inevitable., it may not be as simple as defeating KL then burning everything. There may be some time on the throne or she may have to kill some people she loves herself. We may actually resonate with the idea or understand why she did what she did or why she ended up the way she did. It just can't be as simple as it is in the series. Of course there's a lack of motivation when you think that she will just be another Targaryen that has died due to some of the sterotypical things they are defined by. However I think it will be an interesting journey and we know GRRM can take us there. I look forward to it because I'm hopeful that it will make the series seem like a complete stranger. I get why you don't want to read pages on her downfall and that your expectations of her are different yet it may end up being that way or her loss may not be somebody else's gain. We can't just let the series ruin it for us, the books (if they release) will have to revive that feeling that made us interested in the first place. Regardless of whether some outcomes remain the same, learning a lot more and understanding more character arcs will change everything.
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    Mourning Dany

    Sure, it doesn't justify the accuracy imo. Definitely, that was my point it was seriously flawed. There's better ways to remove a dragon from the series. They aren't short for cash either yet removed the dragon in the most cost efficient way, making the episode suffer.
  11. Not trusting the bells would also to me signify not trusting Tyrion as he pretty much told her to lower her defence and do nothing once she heard the bells. Tyrion could have taken a gamble on the bells, Dany hears them lowers her defence and Cersei takes advantage of that situaiton. Exactly, it doesn't make sense for Dany to trust Cersei especially as Cersei hasn't surrendered or said I will bend the knee and accepted defeat. So until Cersei dies then KL has not been truly conquered. The people of KL were screaming for the bells but that doesn't mean Cersei had given up - as long as that remains ambiguous she remains a threat. It's either she dies or we see her surrender. Exactly D&D can't expect us to forget or not pick up on such significant parts of the plot. That was a very important scene yet suddenly Tyrion is suggesting that the bells mean surrender, we've clearly witnessed that it doesn't. It highly undermines Davos and dismisses such a relevant quote from one of the major battles in the series. We saw what happened to Stannis and how prepared KL were for the invasion. One would assume due to what Davos said in regard to the bells that there was something coming from Cersei + Qyburn as a last resort to destroy Dany and her lowering her defences would have just aided with that. Yet D&D managed to ruin both the quote, Cersei's demise and Dany's actions. It just doesn't make sense, if you're taking that route with Tyrion then you need something to happen because Dany is clearly not going to take his advice. So just leave it out then. Tyrion's advice on the bells has got to be one of the most ridiculous scenes in the whole series.
  12. That's where the show becomes ridiculous, we know it's bad writing that has completely turned Tyrion into a character that can't seem to get anything right anymore. Yet D&D will justify it as the signs of him betraying Dany or at least trying to. If I were Dany I wouldn't trust him either yet due to how fast things are progressing and the lack of support received in the North it would not have been well received to execute him - she was probably waiting for an excuse, she did give him a final chance. Releasing Jaime was him paying his debts - as a Lannister always does but the fact he was willing to let Cersei live can be classed as treason.
  13. There's no way that Davos quote wasn't significant, it's such a significant war and when he said it there was a clear focus. D&D surely did not forget about that scene or expect us to forget or not bring it up. I'm not sure Tyrion did believe that maybe he was under the impression that if Dany at that point lowers her defence anything Cersei may have as a last resort may be activated. I wouldn't be surprised, if that was his plan it will now be plastered over by Dany's actions from the last episode. If he chooses to switch sides he can now justify it. Tyrion has given me reasons to be suspicious but it would be labelled 'speculation.' There's not much evidence but many reasons as to why. In addition to this there's a strong correlation between D&D's bad writing and the way certain characters have declined in quality. So has he committed treason? We may never find out.
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    Mourning Dany

    Completely agree, I wouldn't call hers a madness but more an act of rage - she was completely triggered. The show rushed her deterioration, she felt entitled to the throne and suddenly faced a lot of losses all at once in particular the things you mentioned. I believe that another catalyst was definitely her lack of trust for Tyrion, she really did not trust those bells. That's a consequence that would make sense. However if she's now the paranoid 'Mad Queen' that everybody is labelling her as in addition to him rejecting her and Grey Worm witnessing Jon's hesitance, it would be a little unrealistic. Dany, a dragon, The Unsillied and The Dothraki is enough to overcome Jon and whoever he allies himself with imo.
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    Have people given up all hope?

    Do any of you have any expectations after how this season has been so far? There's not many episodes left to further explore many of the things we require answers for so will there be any sort of compensation in episode 5? It's been a let down for many if not all and it leads me to think it's just focused more on surprise and shock rather than actually helping characters to successfully complete their journeys. Something that's been at the height of every discussion. There's a lot of ridiculous decisions being made and things being totally ignored, so what would satisfy you in the upcoming episode?
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    Mourning Dany

    I don't' have an issue with where she's heading as that's clearly what her character is meant to be, I just don't like how she got there. So for me I don't like her arc as much, should have played out a little differently. Everything about that situation was ridiculous and then the next episode she runs riot and takes over KL with 1 dragon whilst avoiding everything. Yep would have been if the dragon had to die it died whilst taking part in the war, helping to get up to the point just before the bells started to ring. I don't have an issue with the dragon and what she managed to achieve with it, yes there are inconsistencies sure but we finally saw a dragon at its full potential and that is what we have been waiting for. Those scenes were actually really enjoyable. It's just hard to ignore the last episode, the casualties, the death of Rhaegal and Missandei's death. Euron should have never been in such a strong position and a dragon shouldn't have been killed so easily, especially as they couldn't land a single shot in this one. We've gone over this but it's a pretty hard barrier to overcome. Very true, how we define her personality depends on which side you're leaning on, mass murderer or mad? You could see the horror on Jon's face, it just comes down to whether he will accept her for it or abandon her, tough to say at this point whether or not he has it in him to kill her. Yet it's hard to accept that it will be easy and with no consequences. Dany looks pretty unstoppable with Drogon. If not, Arya? Everybody is saying Arya as the FM, I did say that when it came to Cersei but that was on her original list. FM don't decide who lives or who dies yet if she truly is one then how much longer can she continue like this? She's been breaking the rules for a while now. It made sense before as her list until this episode had been the same since she left the House of Black and White which maybe got her a pass. Or she accepts the consequences because she was staying alive to murder them all so if she's then killed, it's whatever. So it would be a bit of a stretch for he to kill Dany unless it becomes the Many Faced Gods desire. Which comes back to my point about her breaking the rules she clearly doesn't care. Does she have enough time to kill Dany as she's been taking without giving, when will she give? Will she complete the series without being held accountable to anything? A lot of things may actually be answered by being left unanswered.
  17. Exactly, Davos is one of the more senior members so him saying that carries a lot of importance because he's literally talking from experience. Tyrion was acting Hand of the King in that battle and leading KL's defence. Tyrion was obviously aware of the bells in that battle so why would it now suddenly mean to surrender when it didn't back then? Probably means something along the lines of we will not surrender you have to take it by force - which Dany played right inot. That could be the next big thing, it would make sense. We saw how much Jaime means to him so he maybe it shows he wouldn't hurt Cersei because it would mean hurting Jaime. Bran could reveal something about Tyrion and Cersei that causes Jon to change his mind about her or something like that. Tyrion being exposed as a traitor would change things a lot. Got to mention Bran once more, last chance for him to get involved haha.
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    Who will kill Daenerys? NO SPOILERS PLEASE!

    Haha, GW will find an opening. Nah for sure, it wouldn't be a 1v1 it would definitely be backstabbing plus among all the madness he could have probably gotten away with it or been killed by another Unsullied as they stand by each other. Howland Reed stabbed Sir Arthur Dayne in the back, difference is Sir Arthur had taken them all on his own, thought he had killed them all other than Ned which he finally disarmed just to be stabbed in the back. If it's going to be a similar situation then could we consider it to be a dishonourable kill by Jon? Longclaw will probably be involved in an important kill soon enough haha.
  19. I mean the way he went on about them with such emphasis I'm willing to entertaint that idea. Dany clearly didn't trust him at least we saw that much.
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    Who will kill Daenerys? NO SPOILERS PLEASE!

    Imo in a 1v1 Grey Worm would absolutely destroy Jon with ease, wouldn't have minded seeing that fight either. Then Arya could have been the one to avenge his death or something. Was just saying in another thread that if Dany were to die, it would make sense to be at the hands of TPTWP or something along those lines otherwise it would be ridiculous for a simple Dany is killed situation. She is in a state of rage, has a dragon and her army she's unstoppable, Jon and his army don't stand a change. Unless Jon or somebody similar gains her trust and betrays her or TPTWP rises to stop her. The NK situation has been resolved and she would be the last threat to Westeros.
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    Mourning Dany

    No I do, I definitely do but the events don't make sense. You can't go from not seeing Euron's fleet (forgetting about it) and losing a dragon to then pretty much conquering KL with one dragon alone. It's just too OP for me and that's one example. Suddenly they can't hit a single dragon, she's too fast for them, too skilled for them? Which one. Simply saying she caught them off guard doesn't make sense given their success rate on the last dragon. If that's the case then shouldn't he die with her or at least be involved in a battle that he may survive whilst trying to kill or killing Dany. There should be a battle against her not a simple Jon kills Dany or an Arya kills Dany situation. So I repeat, imo this calls for a battle between Jon, Arya and the Northerners vs Dany her dragon, the Unsullied and the Dothraki? If the aim is to take her down then I don't see how they would win unless they gain her trust and catch her off guard. If she is the Mad Queen now and dictated by paranoia would she just not return to base and burn everybody apart from the Unsullied and the Dothraki, the only ones she needs by her side. If she has had an epiphany in regards to her life, that it's going to be empty and with a lack of fulfillment so instead chose to destroy everything with fire & blood do you not expect her to continue this rage. Her death should not come easy. In this battle Dany would clearly be on top so what I can say is it would be the perfect time to fulfill the prophecy of TPTWP. The NK issue has been resolved, Dany is raging around destroying everything and is about to leave nothing but her army in KL when TPTWP defeats her which would then make her ending stronger.
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    Who will kill Daenerys? NO SPOILERS PLEASE!

    I guess for him being a kinslayer is better than being a queenslayer if not both, although that would depend on which of the two he values more. He can just take up his right to the throne which would mean she's no longer queen and just kill her as his aunty. Either way surely there would be consequences if he killed Dany, he would have to also kill Grey Worm. Plus the Unsullied and Dothraki would surely kill Jon or Arya after depending on who does? I don't see why they wouldn't unless they destroy the Unsullied and the Dothraki first. That would be the bitter part for sure Dany dying at the hands of Jon. I wouldn't like to see Arya do it she's already killed the NK - doesn't mean she can't do both but somebody else would be better as it's going down that route.
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    Mourning Dany

    I agree, I did make the point that the book was a little more open and it could go either way. However it wouldn't be shocking in the books because the foreshadowing was there. It will not be as jumpy as the series, which is why the books are a must to make sense of it all. Not once did I think it would be a happy ending for her or easy if she did get on the throne, I just expected the madness element to be different. That's the part that I can't accept. I always said the Mad Queen route is lazy but that's because I knew it would be done in a lazy way, there should have been more to it. I know people argue that it was coming but it's not enough for me. If we're meant to accept that it's a series and that's the best they could do then also no, it's pathetic.
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    Rant & Rave without Repercussion: Burn It All Edition

    I can't emphasise this enough so I will share it once again, Dany had literally completed what she had set out to do. The city was hers and it would have probably been the cleanest war in history taking the IT without any civilian casualties. She was growing impatient yet but why throw all those years of patience away because you're impatient over say a few more hours. Cersei was done, Dany looked at the Red Keep with disgust then went and burned the whole of KL pretty much. Aegon the Conqueror burned down Harrenhal with ease using Balerion the Black Dread, Dany could have gone straight to the Red Keep after `the Bells' and burned it down along with Cersei and her loyalists whilst her soldiers rounded up everybody else and the city would have been hers. Whatever the Red Keeps built of is pretty fire resistant, took a while to burn surely it should have been much easier than that. This would have made a lot of people sympathies with her, removing Cersei who pretty much everybody hates whilst maintaining that the civilians of KL remain unharmed. She would have been accepted with open arms, hailed a saviour and lived up to her name After all of this if she wanted to go down the route of the Mad Queen and D&D were adamant on that then it could have been done much more differently. Alongside with holding the remainder of Lannister loyalists captive and torturing them - the things expected to occur in wars she could have reined the power of dracarys down on those who did not bend the knee or accept her as queen both in KL and the 7 Kingdoms. KL would have been no issue anyway, if she hadn't burnt everything down - they were hers. It just seems as if they had to force her to take the Mad Queen route even though she literally was about to fulfill her dreams and not because she can't rule because D&D would prefer less writing, the more they write the more intelligent it has to be and they are very unqualified. So they needed to justify why Bran revealed the information regarding R+L = J and why Jon was brought back from the dead. Sitting him on the IT covers both, Dany ends up mad like her father and everything is as lazy whilst playing The Game of D&D. It's also so Pathetic by Varys to say ''hope I deserve this'' for him to die and the next day events to make it seem like he didn't, that he did truly serve 'the realm' I personally don't think he's innocent and that 'the realm' thing was all way too force but Dany acting in the way she died makes Varys seem innocent and correct. The Golden Company were built up to be incredible, did they lost because their elephants weren't there? Shouldn't they have been inside, why did they even go outside? They surely would have been more organised inside, rushing the opposition as they broke down the gates. It's ridiculous. Euron playing around with Jaime was pathetic - could have finished the job but no somehow Jaime and Cersei had to die in each others arms. The Mountain died because he did to The Hound what The Red Viper did to him, played too much and lost his life whilst taking his brothers. Qyburn the genius who created of ballista's that come equipped with aimbot, the man that helped to burn down the Great Sept of Baelor, to keep the Mountain alive and make him pretty much immune to stab wounds, the man who loves to experiment on dead bodied didn't have one last trick up his sleeve? Arya was pathetic, didn't sleep until she said Cersei's name ever since she's been on the run but suddenly got afraid of Sandor saying ''If you stay with me you die'' Jon Snow showing signs of Jamie Lannister but worse, clearly a pending Queenslayer + Kinslayer. That's my rant, don't worry there's more for the discussions.
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    Varys' Letters

    He was using the little girl I believe as his 'bird' who then probably passed it onto somebody who could get the message out to the rest of Westeros. The motive behind was that even if Dany takes the IT they will refuse her with the argument that the 'true heir' is Jon or something along the lines of that.