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  1. I agree wholeheartedly. I also think season seven and eight (and to a lesser extent anything after season four) makes rewatchability plummet through the floor. I have zero desire to watch the actual quality seasons of GoT after seeing where they end up taking us. The amazing beginning isn't just unjustified by the ending, it's utterly destroyed by it. Agreed. I've watched S1 at least 5 times because it's so fun to see how actions and behaviors in S1 setup consequences that carry into S2, S3, & S4. Not to mention all of the WW build up. But S7 & S8 don't really build on 90% of the lead up and backstory from S1-S6, so re-watching seems pointless. You're just watching a bunch of easter eggs, character arcs, and plot lines that are total dead ends and have no meaning in the larger story at the end.
  2. I think it's just that shows setup an expectation for fans. GoT was extremely high quality for 4 seasons, and kind-of-mostly-OK for seasons 5-6...for me, this kept my own personal hype and expectations super high, which is why I'm STILL SO DISAPPOINTED with how it has ended. Seasons 7-8 are just total garbage. So, anyways, its also a shame to compare the ending of GoT to the beginning at this point... very, very different in terms of quality.
  3. I hope this is not splitting hairs, but this is not about people having guessed the ending, but rather everyone having had some sort of preview of the ending through another medium albeit executed horribly by a pair of hacks with the writing ability and emotional capacity of a pair of not terribly gifted or mature eighth-graders. Nonetheless, assuming that a few endpoints of major characters are generally where George might have guided the two goofs towards, this possibly gives George an unprecedented look at what his work might look like when finished. Don't think many major authors have been in this place before. I do recognise this is not the original point being made, which I think was speculation about how Michaelengelo would react if he had part-painted the roof of the Sistine chapel and some below average graffiti artists spray painted the rest with their themes superficially resembling M's, making a mockery of the original work besides the fact that the graffiti is an eyesore in itself. Do you paint it over and complete your work, or do you just walk away and sculpt David instead? You make excellent (and hilarious) points, and I think you are correct in that this is a slightly different situation than the one GRRM was describing. I only brought it up because I think it's the best glimpse into how GRRM may view this current situation/shit show the story is in thanks to HBO. In every other situation I can think of, the book is ALWAYS completed before the visual medium of TV/movies begins, so the visual medium can make changes, not the author. So we're in unique, new territory with these below average graffiti artists finishing the Sistine chapel before Michaelengelo. I for one hope he paints over it and completes his work as originally intended.
  4. This is possible, although GRRM has said on multiple occasions that he won't change his ending because people figured out the mystery or didn't like it. He views it as his story, not his story that he wants to make sure is popular with fans. A rough transcription: "I want this to be my own story......What do I do when people have guessed the secrets I'm going to reveal? You really have 2 choices there, you can ignore it, proceed with your plan, despite the fact that some people know where you're going, or you can get all panicky and say oh people figured it out, that can't be, I'll have to change it, I'll have to go in a different direction, and I think some writers do that. I think that's always a mistake. If you've planned your book that the Butler did it, and someone on the internet figures out that the Butler did it, and you suddenly change in midstream and it was the chambermaid that did it, then you screw up the whole book...the clues you've planted are dead ends, and you have to introduce other clues, then you're retconning. It's a mess."
  5. It's over. And it was terrible.
  6. WeDoNotKneel_HailMance

    Bran Truly Was The Best Possible Choice To Rule

    Agreed. Although they made it pointless in the end when Bran became King anyways. This was kind of like Frodo & Sam destroying the ring in the fires of Mt Doom... but then 15 minutes later deciding to re-forge another ring to rule them all.
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    Moral of each characters story?

    Yep. For what they did, they should've just never finished S7 or S8 and just told the fans to finish it themselves like a choose your own adventure book.
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    Moral of each characters story?

    I had the same WTF, she punking out moment? But only because it was a mad queen style HARD LEFT TURN out of nowhere. They could have added a couple of scenes w/ Arya & The Hound on the road to KL where they're discussing it and Arya is conflicted, or where The Hound is trying to convince her that violence & revenge usually end in death ("if you stay with me all the way to the red keep, girl, you'll end up dead, or worse, you'll end up like me & my terrible brother"). Like, remember in S6 when The Hound was thinking about being a changed man after talking w/ Septon Ray about how violence is a disease? Oh wait, nope, the writers didn't remember that either.
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    Dany the Mad Queen was a terrible idea

    Lazy plotting, no moral to the story, nothing we can learn from her journey other than if your father was mad and burned people alive, then you should be careful to not let people around you betray you, or you'll eventually turn mad, too.
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    Is the show beyond redemption?

    More and more astounding the more you think about it.
  11. WeDoNotKneel_HailMance

    Is the show beyond redemption?

    It appears that they failed on literally all of the things you mentioned. Literally every single one of them. My goodness.
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    The Mad Queen recipe needed more Aegon, less Aerys II

    An excellent post, and I agree completely with responses that the show has taken complex characters and turned them into simple black-and-white or good-vs-evil people. Ugh. I like the idea of Dany burning KL strategically, channeling Aegon's fire & blood. This would also have connected her KL attack to the rest of Westeros, and her goal to rule all of the 7 kingdoms. And I agree that all it would have taken is a fair bit of dialogue to set all of this up. But, you know, that would have required the readers to actually think through this major left turn before just grabbing the wheel and pulling it blindly......
  13. I agree with this. I want to just move on and accept the disasters that S7 & S8 were, but I keep coming back because the festering mold turd feels worse and worse with each passing day.
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    passing the wall

    This all turned out so lame. There was apparently never an actual NK plan or a horn of winter in the show. I had always hoped they'd show how the NK manipulated events to make the wight hunt happen and get Dany to fly her dragons up there. He could have used greenseeing or warging or something. But no, after 8000 years, he had absolutely no plan and was gifted a plot device. Ugh.
  15. WeDoNotKneel_HailMance

    Samwell as Grand Maester

    Given who attended the Dragonpit meeting (mostly Starks, Stark friends, relatives, allies) and what they decided, and why anyone other than Sansa listened to Tyrion, much less voted in his choice for king (To the rest of Westeros, Tyrion is the Kin-slaying regicide Imp), I'm sure that the writers didn't put much thought into the scene. Sam is just another character botched by lazy, thoughtless writing. They had 2 choices, either a) Sam becomes Lord Tarly with Gilly & baby and rules over Horn Hill, helping Bronn lead the reach... OR b) Sam stays at the Citadel throughout S7+S8 and ends up as a maester somewhere, maybe at the Wall or Winterfell or Horn Hill, but NOT grand maester. Instead he does lots of things that contradict each other so we get an ending that couldn't possibly occur in Westeros: Sam LEAVES the Citadel in a huff in S7, basically a decision that means he could never become a Maester, much less a Grand Maester..... but then he ends up as a Grand Maester? Sam appears to "vote" as Lord Tarly at the (not-so-great) Council, not as a Maester..... so you're saying he's pretending to be Lord long enough to vote for King Bran, but then he immediately resigns to become a Maester.... ugh this makes no sense. Sam & Gilly pretend they have a bastard together, and are having another child... Sam should have to decide, does he want to continue his dream of becoming a Maester? Or continue being with Gilly? Its a binary choice. No way anyone in Westeros could do both.... but Sam does both?
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