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  1. Ruki88

    The problem with Bran being king narrative wise

    I think they kinda forgot....
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    The problem with Bran being king narrative wise

    Actually, no. Robert Baratheon had a claim for the IT by right of conquest which was strengthen politically ("legally" so to speak) by him having blood ties with the Targs by way of his grandmother (Rhaella Targaryen). Bran has neither.
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    The problem with Bran being king narrative wise

    The fact that ppl are ok with Bran on the throne is frankly outstanding to me. I'm a fairly lazy, go with the flow, not care much about things in general but even I balk at the idea of a non human like Bran having authority over a nation. Ppl call Dany the mad queen and condemn her for what she did (understandibly and critique deserved) and yet call Bran good? At least you can say about Dany that she was a victim of her genetics and circumstances that made her snap at the end. Bran/3ER, on the other hand, knowingly and deliberately allowed to happen what happened - after all, he sees the future. And even worse, as how things are played on the screen, he intentionally manipulated some events to lead to it. Any omniscient 'deity' that would allow that amount of suffering is either impotent or doesn't care sufficiently about the suffering of other ppl. For Bran I tend to lean on the 2nd option.
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    The problem with Bran being king narrative wise

    "You creep" OMG :)))))) The even funnier thing is I actually see him doing something like this. Like show canon doing this.
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    The problem with Bran being king narrative wise

    I agree with the above. For me the main issue I have with Bran is the idea of a supernatural/god being ruling over humans. I don’t care how well it is written, the message itself is the problem. Humanity needs to get over its compulsion to hand power over to a messiah to clean up the mess they made. Even if the messiah is truly good, the resulting power structure is going to screw things up even more. Much better to rely on your own judgment, and your own mistakes. This whole idea of the infallible leader, especially one who does not share the humanity of his people, is faulty from the start because my view of history says that mistakes made by a leader (or made in a leader's name) are amplified by the numbers who follow without question. Look how Dany was seen at the end – a mad queen for burning innocent ppl and planning to go on a righteous war across the land;at the end in her mind what she said was good for the simple fact that she said it was good. And that is precisely the concern I have with Bran - the only difference is that one is human and the other is not. Any god who allows thousands of people to suffer in this way and doesn’t care to help is evil in my opinion. And the idea that it was the best path that Bran could see, how do we know? Was it specified? No. Even more, as shown on screen it seems that Bran actually orchestrated the events in such a way that led to Dany going crazy. I would rather have a flawed human rather than a perfect deity. A deity is not bound to human morality, therefore it can easily justify the slaughter of thousands of souls without batting an eye. You can protest against the actions of a human (Dany) but not so much against a god (Bran).
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    The problem with Bran being king narrative wise

    I never cared for the prophecy much and the only thing interesting me about his heritage is how Jon would feel about it. I like Jon as a character. I understand why some ppl would find him boring since his arc is isolated from the rest and it's not as sensational as battling slavers and birthing dragons. He's also too much of a good guy compared with the other characters which apparently makes not edgy enough. But for me, that is exactly why I like him - he starts as him trying to emulate Ned Stark (not a fan btw) but slowly realizes that holding on to honor so tightly is not feasible. I don't understand ppl who asert the fact that his ending in the show is OK because he always wanted to be a ranger. He was a kid dazzled by his uncle's inflated stories about the NW, and he also thought he never had any other option to choose from. Jon dreamt about having a family and kids but thought that wasn't something he can have so no, him ending back in the NW at the end is bull. Anyway, I've read the books some time ago so the details might be a little fuzzy in my head now. It just feels like GRRM went with the secret prince just so he can have the opportunity to go in the opposite direction with it. So many king references added to his arc which now we know mean diddly squat. Meh.
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    Characteristics of a good ruler

    Doesn't it feels like the biggest "Fuck you" from the author, though.... Well, our expectations are certainly subverted: a 7yrs kid who barely learnt to read most likely, but fuck it, it's MAGIC!
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Yep, I still think he's the worst portrayed character in the show - at least the others were allowed to have a personality till the end. Since s6 he was slowly drained of any character development he had in the previous seasons. Good lord, I don't know where D&D got the idea that Jon has no personal ambition, why ppl assert that he doesn't want things. Can we get some perspective, pls. I was this close to facepalm myself into oblivion everytime I heard show!Jon say he "doesn't want it". For the love of...he's a bastard in the books. The only options he has, as far as he knows, are either stay at Winterfell under his brother's rule or leave to the Wall. The first option is neatly closed to him the moment Catelyn threatens to kick him out the moment Ned leaves. The guy has ambition enough to want to make a name for himself at the Wall - the only place where he thinks his birth won't matter. It's not that he wouldn't want to be a lord or king it's that these are so far out of his reach that it's laughable to even contemplate. He wants more out of his life but I do think any lofty dream he might've had as a kid were slowly beat out of him the more he grew up and learn what a bastard is. We can see him being bitter sometimes about this. In the show he's like a robot implanted with the program "Protect the North" / "Shield that protects the realm of men". It's like he's not even a real person anymore.
  9. Uuuuuu, petition signed. It's the least they can do considering how they made a mockery of his character...
  10. I've read Dune a long time ago so correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea of creating the Golden Path was the running theme in the series whereas in ASOIAF it's not. That's why the idea of Bran comes out of nowhere as far as I'm concerned. ASOIAF is primary about the humans and their struggle with a healthy doze of the supernatural. If this is the author's attempt at doing something similar as in Dune then it's a piss poor one at best. Also, Bran definitely can't be compared with Leto II - he's at best a cheap knock off and since I'm a fan of Dune it makes me even more pissed off if this is what the author wants to do.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    You know, the evil Bran theory was such a delight and would've loved to see it in the books. But that wasn't how Bran was presented in the show - sure, ppl speculate that he manipulated everyone so he could get his hands on the crown. But that wasn't because D&D wrote it that way. It was just plain bad writing. Here Bran is presented as this super awesome, best guy, good chump who is the creme de la creme. That's a far cry from evil Bran. Also, where is the bittersweet ending in evil Bran winning? When even the books are poor in clues what does that say about the ending? Plot twist much? What about our favorite catch phrase: subverting expectations?
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Hmmm, isn't it a bit suspicious that after all this time the clues that elude to this ending are so scarce? After all this time of careful scrutiny? It looks a little like "subverting expectation" from GRRM for my liking. I know ppl like to think that the author is a literary genius but as I said in previous posts, I am of the opinion that the show and especially the long time that passed between the books inflated the sense that the quality of the books is higher than it actually is. We got into the hype train and never got off. It took most ppl to end up at s8 in the show to realize that what they're watching is not the same as what they loved in the first 4 seasons. Most ppl made excuses for s5,6,7 as ppl tend to do when they love something. No shade thrown here as I'm guilty of it myself; not for this particular series but yeah...It happens. Let's be honest, the enthusiasm for the books was kept alive by ppl who would discuss endlessly on how this could end - that was half the fun. And now we know. And it's not good. It feels like ppl are in damage control mode. Because otherwise it would mean that all these yrs devoded to something might've been...well, undeserved. I know, I know, the journey is what matters but in this case the ending does too. I would say it matters very, very much. Probably GRRM had this ending in mind but in my opinion, what this series ended up to be is way, way different than what it was at the beginning. He can't fit this ending to what he has now, not without tearing down most of what he built in 5 books. You have to follow where the evidence takes you. Right now it feels like ppl are twisting the evidence to fit the ending. I was waiting for threads on how Bran is actually the best option and boy, I was not dissapointed.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I have a question though. As we know, this series has been analyzed and scrutinised by fans for years and years. A lot of theories have been born based on the clues and foreshadowings added along the text. Is there a theory out there that guessed Bran will end up king? Before we knew the ending of the show, I mean, not after.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    But the shield bit doesn't apply to Bran in the books, though. Anyway, if you reduce everything to the basics, we have 2 themes: the supernatural one and the ordinary one. They intertwined along the series but the solutions for these can't stand on 1person since I think that each theme requires a different skill set. Bran has a role in the supernatural theme, not the ordinary one. It's like Jesus dying for the sins of mankind, comes back to life and ends up king, pops a few kids and dies at a respectable age. I mean, what? I'm not very good at explaining myself, sorry.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Indeed. Such a fatalistic ending if you think about it. I dont know, the idea of a God King worked in Dune since it was a theme right from the start of the series. But in ASOIAF it just doesn't click considering what GRRM spouted all these years about his work. Meh, the biggest dissapointment in terms of books I ever read. So much potential, so little payoff.
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