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  1. JBM

    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    I was looking for something else and came across this little unexpected parallel to Arya, in A Storm Of Swords, when Roose sends Jaime away from Harrenhall and he finds an old shield in the armory belonging to the Lothstons to wear, since he knows not to wear his Lannister or Kingsguard insignia: "The Lothstons held Harrenhall before the Whents and had been a powerful family in their day, but they had died out ages ago, so no one was likely to object to him bearing their arms. He would be no one's cousin, no one's enemy, no one's sworn sword... in sum, no one." Gave me a little chill!
  2. This reminds me that I always thought that little bit in the books where Jaime reflects on the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard (Cole?) known as the Kingmaker and how it was bad for the Kingsguard to get mixed up in politics was a bit weird and stuck out to me. It just rang my "dramatic irony" alarm loudly. I've long had a theory because of that that Jaime would ultimately be involved in some important way in determining who the final king is in the series. Maybe it's just another thing they took from him and gave to Tyrion! Or maybe it was just GRRM "gardening" and planting a seed just to see what might happen with it, but it won't go anywhere.
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    Would Tywin agree Son of Ice and Fire to take Casterly Rock?

    Can you guys remind me of the specific quote you're talking about? The "you're no son of mine" I thought was more metaphorical - it's what you say to a family member when you're mad at them, meant to mean I don't view you as a son because you're not worth to be, not literally you are not my biological son, but I'm wondering if you're talking about a different quote that I've forgotten when you say he said so after the Blackwater.
  4. I know this thread is mostly about Tyrion but it really bugs me that the show appears to see Jaime as dumb. Tyrion is wittier and more well-read but Jaime has a lot of really insightful and thoughtful observations in the books. It might be interesting to play with the idea that he sees himself as dumb but isn't, but the show just seems to endorse it. As far as Tyrion as the "good" Lannister, Jaime is also one of the only characters we see expressing much concern about "the common man" (perhaps because of Brienne's influence) - when the raven comes from the Citadel, he thinks to himself about how unprepared Westeros is for winter and wonders how Tywin will feed the land before remembering Tywin is dead. When they go to Pennytree, it really bothers him that the town-folk hide from him and his troops in the same way they would formerly have hidden from raiders. He needs his troops to shelter in the town-folk's houses but orders his men to leave their provisions alone. People often were like "you don't understand this is an ADAPTATION" but is it really necessary so often to change such fundamental and important characteristics of a character? With Jaime they so often seemed to make him and his storyline the opposite of what he was in the books rather than just flesh it out or adjust the logistics a little to blend better with the needs of a tv show. They changed the character in ways that weren't necessary at all.
  5. Jaime cares a lot about Tommen throughout A Feast for Crows. He has that sweet scene with him after Tommen has to flee the ritual where Tywin's body is being displayed (can't remember what exactly it is called) because of the smell; he is also highly reluctant to leave KL not only because of his vow to Catelyn Stark but also because he wants to be there to protect Tommen - he only leaves because Cercei orders him to. He also thinks at some point while in the Riverlands about how he wants to be honest with Tommen (and Myrcella) that he is their father and worries and speculates about how they will react. Haven't read his chapter in ADWD for awhile, the latter may be in there now that I think of, not AFFC? Either way, it is a thread throughout his story from the time he returns to King's Landing, although I don't think it starts immediately. My sense is that he is bothered by how little he feels for Joffrey, as highlighted by his lack of grief for him after his death, and he wants things to be different with Tommen and Myrcella but because he has no real model for what that would be like, he is sort of figuring it out slowly. I'd love to see more of Edric Dayne, he doesn't appear to still be with the Brotherhood after Lady Stoneheart takes over and Beric dies, so where did he go? We probably won't see him, I just liked him and would like to at least hear where he ended up. I also wonder a bit about Geryon (?) Lannister, the youngest of the brothers. Part of me wouldn't be surprised if he turns up eventually. I thought they emphasized Tyrek (the 14 year old who got married off to a one year old) being missing a bit heavily as well, I'm curious about if that actually means anything. I think George sometimes overuses the dead character turning out to be alive thing, but I will admit to some curiosity about the Septa Lemore situation. I don't know that I want her to be Ashara Dayne or connected to the Targaryans but I am interested in if she is someone important in some other way.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I've always thought an interesting way to resolve the Jaime/Brienne/Lady Stoneheart stand-off would be for Thoros to see that Bran was alive/stuck past the Wall and for them to be agree to rescue him to escape being executed, with some of the BWB members going with to make sure they stay on task and probably yell at them a lot and so forth. We see that Jaime, having resolved the Riverlands situation, is eager to get back to KL and Tommen (and still a bit torn about Cersei - he's rejected her but still longs for her), so having that delayed would be a good source of tension for his character, and of course he owes Bran, so it is an interesting task to give him plot-wise. And I like the idea that having sent him away against his wishes - both to be there to protect Tommen and to keep his promise to Catelyn not to take up arms against the Tullys - Cercei will have sealed her own fate and die without ever seeing him again (I think she has pretty much out-lived her usefulness as a character at this point and should die midway through Book Six). It's pretty unlikely (by which I mean extremely extremely extremely unlikely) this is what George intends b/c if it was I think we would have seen it in the show since they had nothing else to do with Jaime anyway, but I like it! I think it has a very pleasant closing the circle quality for some of these characters. Brienne fails to save Sansa but saves Bran instead, Lady Stoneheart finds out that one of her biggest reasons for her fairly disastrous decision to free Jaime (that Bran/Rickon were dead and Arya/Sansa were her only living children other than Robb at the time) was false, and Jaime has to face up to the reality of what he has done to Bran in a much more tangible and physical way. In general I think if he could get TO the cave he can get back FROM the cave. We may just not have seen how yet. What is really improbable to me is him ending up as King of Westeros.
  7. There's "knowing" something and proving it. If every mother whose kids looked more like them than their father was executed for supposedly committing incest with her brother, that would be mass murder of epic proportions!
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    If Lyanna is the mother, that basically makes it impossible for anyone but Rhaegar to be the father, given the length of Robert's Rebellion and the length of her stay at the Tower of Joy, unless you think she was getting it on with a member of the Kingsguard who was at the TOJ while Rhaegar ran out for groceries or something, which seems seriously unlikely. I know it's more fun to speculate otherwise, but it's a little goofy imo.
  9. I registered just because I have such a strong theory about this. I think the problems with the battle scenes in the third episode are a huge factor in this phenomenon, not just that they were (to some) so poorly lit and unwatchable - especially disappointing I would imagine given the strong hype about the 55 days of filming - but that the response was basically to blame the people watching for not having fancy enough tvs or tuning their tvs right. I feel like this was an "the emperor has no clothes" moment that really changed the fan/critic dynamic toward the show. There was a huge exponential increase in complaining with ep. 4, even before Dany's 'turn', and then ep. 5 finished things off. I'm sure there would always have been people who were upset and disappointed about Dany and then with the wrap-up to ep. 6, but I really wonder if with battle scenes in ep. 3 that lived up to the promotion, if it would have been the same volume or intensity.