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Tibbie

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  1. The calculation guidelines say that the "12 years old at birth of first born child" rule is based on 12 being the earliest age fit for marriage and consummation, and thus pregnancy and birth. Does this mean that if we have a consummation or conception date, we should be using that instead of the first born birth date in calculations? Osric Umber for example: he died 226 at latest; his child was thus born 227 at latest; 227 minus 12 gives 215 as Osric's maximum birth year. But if 12 was also for conception, which couldn't have occurred after his 226 death, his maximum birth year would instead be 214. I know it only affects a small handful of characters (Osric, Robard Cerwyn and maybe Sara Snow offhand), but if I could get a ruling on this?
  2. So is it okay to delete and rewrite the entry with more verifiable facts and numbers? Do I need to leave some mention of the prior calculation if I do? What's the etiquette for situations like this?
  3. A question regarding the Ronnel Arryn (son of Jasper) calculation: it says his son Elbert was a knight when he died, but I can't find anything to support that. Was it a mistake, or am I just having a blind moment?
  4. Just to clarify, definitely past tense? Or am I reading too much into that. (Thought I better check first before adding death calculation for him.)
  5. Huh. No, I didn't. (Not gonna lie, now a little embarrassed for doubting the info.)
  6. Thanks for clarifying! And I'm really jealous. So much interesting new information. Like this for example: This is really useful actually, because I can use to pin down a maximum years of death for Umber and Sansa. I only have two queries. First, does the info you have on the tree also mention whether Brandon (Cregan's son) had his affair with Wylla before or after he married Alys Karstark? Second, for whoever might have the answer: how do I reference this email of George's in calculations? Is there a copy of it posted online somewhere to link to, or if not, is okay to just reference the applicable forum comment above?
  7. Do you have some sort of evidence for that? Cause like I mentioned in the above post (sorry for double-posting btw), the calculation page only references the stark lineage tree, which doesn't work.
  8. Okay, so I went ahead and put in Lyarra's death range, and calculated Beron's birth range. The latter of which had kind of a huge domino effect, leading to edits/additions for a lot of others. If it helps, the calculation only references the Stark Lineage family tree. Admittedly it places Lyanne Glover first, visually (as in the marriage line is higher up), but it also places Eddard's thing with Jon's mother higher even though it happened after he married Catelyn (it did happen after, right?), so I don't think that counts as solid evidence. On a different topic, and sorry if this isn't the right place for it: when entering a date range in a character's infobox, do we do the {{Date|xxx|xxx}} thing so it reads as "In xxx–xxx AC", or keep the dates separate so it reads as "In or between xxx AC and xxx AC". Is there a rule for this?
  9. I've some question about the Brandon Stark (son of Willam) age calculations. It says "Brandon had two younger half-siblings". Do we know for sure that they're younger? Because his father's (Willam Stark's) page says "It is unknown which of the two marriages occurred first". If we've confirmation that Brandon's mother was the first wife, Willam's page needs some editing. If we don't have confirmation, Brandon's d.o.b. should be "in or before 227" (based on a similar calculation to his half-sister Jocelyn), and also his death (based on his dying at age 3) needs to be pushed back a year. Shifting topics: Beron Stark. He was mortally wounded in his 30's. My first instinct is to say he therefore died aged 30-39, but since he's said to be "fading fast", not necessarily dead, should we allow for the possibility he lingered long enough to reach his next birthday? So, died aged 30-40? Is this reasonable? (Because I can use his age range and death dates to calculate a birth range, but I need to settle on a maximum death age first.) Also, per an SSM, Lyarra Stark (Ned's mother) is dead. Can we pin a maximum death date from that? The interview was pre-AsoS (which is pre-300), so I'm inclined to say she died in or before 299, but I'm not sure of the rules on this one. Second opinion would be appreciated.
  10. Mostly I was thinking that if the ~50 figure it usable for others, we could calculate a minimum birth year for pretty much any mother character whose youngest (or any, really) child has a birth date (specifically a year of birth, or a minimum year). For example: Lyarra Stark (Ned's mother). Her youngest, Benjen, was born in or after 267 AC. Taking 50, we could vaguely pinpoint her birth to in or after ~217 AC. Also, is that a go ahead for minimum marriage age at 12? Or does it only apply to conceptions and births? Because if it's usable as a marriage figure, there's a few characters who we could pin a date for, just by the fact that their spouse has a death date (or a maximum possible death date). For example: Robyn Ryswell married Jonnel 'One-Eye' Stark. He died between 157-209 AC, meaning they wed in 209 AC at latest. With a minimum marriage age of 12, Robyn would've been born in or before 197 AC.
  11. Hi, I'm new here. I just wanted to clarify some things before I tried adding stuff to the calculations pages. Rule #1 says 13 for a firstborn was chosen because of in-story marriage ages. Does this mean '13 at marriage' can be used for calculations? I can only find one entry (Lanna Lannister) that's used it. Also, is there a final world whether we're sticking with 13 or changing it to 12? Don't want to add anything if it'll be wrong shortly. (Also, if it is changing, should my former question be: can '12 at marriage' be used for calculations?) Finally, the Donella Hornwood entry uses ~50 as the limits of childbearing age. Can that figure be used in calculations for others, or is it just a one-off?
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