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  1. Ghost7272

    WoIaF versus the Silmarillion

    The World of Ice and Fire versus The Silmarillion... which book is superior at worldbuilding?
  2. That's a misunderstanding in the media reports, they didn't push it back to Season 8, they just originally thought Season 8 would cover the effects of it, but they changed their minds and decided to keep her pregnant until the end.
  3. The miscarriage was actually supposed to happen at the end of Season 7, almost immediately after Jaime left.
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    Characteristics of a good ruler

    Term Limit, it's in the word, that's what term limit means. You're just talking about having a democratically-elected term.
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    Characteristics of a good ruler

    Term limits mean no more re-elections...
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    Characteristics of a good ruler

    I highly disagree. 1. You are asking about what makes a good ruler. 2. I disagree that every president in every country has been a failure. Your own criticism isn't logical: term limits don't make someone more focused on re-election. Kings and queens also have constraints, such as the nobility and the military. No one in a democracy wants to leave a messed up country for their children either. You can't rationally say that democracy only has disadvantages, but monarchy has disadvantages but also advantages. Especially not on these grounds.
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    Characteristics of a good ruler

    Ok, you seem to be advocating that a good leader is mentored by someone who is a good leader, and has already been tested as a leader. I think enough time has passed for my point to not be perceived as too political, something more recent than the Romans/Byzantiens: I raise the example of George W. Bush. He was mentored by his father, a President with a long history of experience from Businessman to Congressman to RNC Chair to Chinese Ambassador to UN Ambassador to CIA Director to Vice President. George W Bush also went to Yale, was in the National Guard, worked in business, worked as a campaign advisor and media liaison for his father's presidential runs, and became Governor of Texas. Despite this, his presidency is largely seen as a failure by both Republicans and Democrats. He was mentored by a good leader, his father. He had good leadership experience. Yet he still failed.
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    Little Questions That Don't Fit Anywhere Else Part 3

    It was explained in the show, it was very clear.
  9. If there's a suitable Manderly man of the right age and temperament, that would probably be the best political alliance for Sansa.
  10. Also, crying when you've lost doesn't make you a coward.
  11. Here are some What If's for discussion. How would the story of this "world" and its characters have gone differently, now that we have the whole context of the entire story? We are NOT discussing how the showrunners would have proceeded differently. We're thinking of this in-universe, as if this was a real world and we were talking alternative history timelines. We are also talking specifically about the Show, not the Books, though if it isn't contradicted by the show then any extra content from the books can help inform the discussion. Season 1 1. Lysa Arryn felt regret, and wrote to Catelyn, telling her Jon Arryn died because of Littlefinger trying to start a war between the Starks and Lannisters... and Catelyn therefore didn't capture Tyrion. (How would this change everything?) 2. The witch had been killed before Daenerys ever saw her, Khal Drogo didn't die, Rhaego was born, and the dragons never hatched. (How would this change everything? When and how would the Dothraki cross the Narrow Sea and invade? How would it go? What would Daenerys's role be?) 3. Instead of confronting Cersei with the truth, Ned immediately tells King Robert. (What would happen to Cersei and the children, how would Tywin react, how would Littlefinger & Varys react?) 4. Joffrey didn't have Ned beheaded, instead sending him to the Wall (with Arya still tagging along without the Lannisters knowing). (Would Robb still rebel? Would Sansa be converted to the Lannisters' side? Would Jon learn the truth about his heritage sooner? What about Theon's and Arya's storylines?) 5. Jorah loses the fight with the Dothraki bloodrider, and Daenerys dies the same day as Khal Drogo, and the dragons are never hatched. (We know what it means for Essos. What would it mean for Westeros? Especially Varys, Tyrion, Cersei, Jon, and the White Walkers?) 6. Robb didn't capture Jaime (though still won that battle). (How would that change everything?) 7. Ned agreed with Littlefinger and Renly, and supported Renly's claim after Robert's death. (How would that change everything?) Season 2 1. Stannis & Melisandre hadn't used blood magic to murder Renly. (Stannis would probably lose the battle, and then what for him/Melisandre/Davos? And how about the war in general, with King's Landing, or the potential alliance with Robb?) 2. The Tyrell's hadn't joined with Tywin, and Stannis had taken King's Landing. (What happens to Tywin, how does he react to the deaths of Cersei, Tyrion, Joffrey, Tommen and the loss of King's Landing? How does Jaime (currently a captive of Brienne) react? How does Robb react?) 3. Robb hadn't married Talisa. (What would it mean for the Frey's and the Bolton's, for the war?) 5. Jon never went with the Halfhand and was never captured by the Free Folk, and instead stayed with Sam and Jeor Mormont, and survived the Battle at the Fist of the First Men. (How would his arc change, the battle change, the mutiny and its results? Is there more?) 6. Sansa had left with the Hound, and they reunite with Arya on the road. (How would this change the arcs for Sansa, Arya, the Hound, Littlefinger, Tyrion, Joffrey, Margaery, etc.?) 7. Theon didn't betray Robb, pretended he would but instead managed to escape back to him and warn about his father's plans. (How would Robb react? How would Bran's arc continue? How would the Bolton's behave?) Season 3 1. Robb was warned of the treachery of the Bolton's & Frey's ahead of time, and believes them. (How would he proceed, with these fake "allies" and with military strategy?) 2. Jaime never lost his hand. (How would that change his journey? What else would it change?) 3. Rickard Karstark didn't disobey Robb and kill the Lannister boys. (Would Robb and the North have fared differently? Would this change Roose Bolton's calculus on if Robb was the winning side?) Season 4 1. Cersei and Tywin were poisoned at the same time as Joffrey. (How would this change everything?) 2. Oberyn killed the Mountain and survived. (What would happen to Tyrion? What would happen between Oberyn/Tywin?) 3. Qyburn couldn't "save" the Mountain... and in Season 6, Cersei was forcibly brought to her trial before the High Sparrow and Queen Margaery. (What would be her sentence, and the consequences? How would King Tommen, Queen Margaery, and the High Sparrow have dealt with Daenerys and how would she deal with them? How would Jon deal with them, and they with him and his warning of the White Walkers?) 4. Tyrion did not take a detour, and did not kill Shae or Tywin. (How would Tywin react to the High Sparrow, if he's empowered at all? How would Tywin react to Daenerys? How would Tywin react to Jon's news of the White Walkers?) 5. Arya didn't go to Braavos, and did decide to go north to the Wall instead/ (How would Arya and Jon's arcs be different?) Season 5/6 1. Stannis didn't burn Shireen but did win the battle against the Bolton's, with Roose and Ramsay killed or executed. (What would this means for the North, for Sansa/Littlefinger and their next moves, for Melisandre and Jon, for King's Landing, and what would his next moves be?) 2. Yara was chosen as Queen of the Iron Islands, Euron tried to rebel but was killed. (How would this change Theon's arc, or the storylines with Daenerys and with the North?) 3. Ellaria and the 3 older Sand Snakes are executed by Doran Martell, Myrcella is not murdered. (How would this change the Lannister storyline? And if Tommen still dies in the same way, would Myrcella become Queen first, and how would that go?) 4. Rickon survived the Battle of the Bastards, the arrow missed and Jon brought him far behind friendly lines before rejoining the battle. (How would this change the politics of the North, post-battle? What else would it change?) Season 7 Season 8 1. Daenerys spotted Euron's fleet, and wiped it out then and there, killing him, and preventing the death of Rhaegal and the capture of Missandei. (How would that change the endgame?) I hope this leads to fun and interesting discussion!
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    "What If" turnings points in the show

    I added one to Season 1... what if Ned had gone along with Renly and Littlefinger's plan to support Renly's claim to the Iron Throne.
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    Theory: Book Jorah kills Jon

    I actually thought, until the Long Night episode when he died, that Jorah would be the one to kill Daenerys.
  14. In the show, was Margaery actually the best ruler, out of all those who either sat on the throne or aspired to, or wanted to be the true power behind the throne or actually was? She's politically smart, helping the people (even if a lot of it was for good PR), and just the fact that she had (and knew her to make) good PR. Her one mistake was trusting that the High Sparrow would take care of Cersei for her. Her only drawback is that she probably wouldn't have been a transformation leader who "broke the wheel" and reinvented the system, whether it was centralizing power or taking a step towards democracy. Though who knows. But simply as a ruler, I think she was probably the best. Tywin? He was the true power behind the throne, on multiple occasions, we saw how that was. While cunning, he never got the love of the people, nor did he love them. Littlefinger? All we know is that he wanted power and was willing to burn the country down to get it, more likely to break a promise at the first opportunity, didn't care about the people at all. Cersei? lol Joffrey? lol Robert? lol The Boltons? lol Any Greyjoy? lol Tommen? As we saw, too spineless, unless Margaery was there to be the true power. Renly? Kind and beloved, good PR, had average or above-average political smarts, though fickle and untested militarily. He's in the middle. Also, was married to Margaery. Stannis? In the context of the whole show, definitely not. Also didn't know how to be political. Or know how to do, or the importance of, good PR. Didn't seem to care for the people either. Daenerys? In the context of the whole show, definitely not. Jon? Not politically smart. Robb? Same as Jon Ned? Same as Jon. Sansa? Politically smart, but doesn't know how to play the PR game with the people, just the lords, though she was too frigid with Daenerys which wasn't smart. She improved a lot, but isn't on Margaery's level. Tyrion? Politically smart, though he's made plenty of mistakes. He does care about the people, and know how to play the game with lords and (as seen in Meereen) the "small folk" too. Varys? He's a schemer and an advisor, not a ruler. Davos? An advisor not a ruler. High Sparrow? Very good at PR with the people, good at manipulating the lords too, but it was only a matter of time before the noble houses checked his overreach to some degree and he would have been useless if they used all their tools (even excluding wildfire) against him. Doran? Doesn't know his own people that well, too lenient. Mance? Great for north of the wall in every way you can think of, just unacceptable south of the wall. I don't think I'm forgetting anyone on this list. I'd rank them 1. Margaery * Mance (just for people north of the wall, though) ... 2. Tyrion 3. High Sparrow 4. Renly 5. Sansa ... everyone else, for different reasons and to different degrees.
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    Was Margaery actually the best at ruling?

    While they each strove to make sure their family came out on-top, it was a friendly rivalry between them, they weren't really at odds. Tywin tried to explain to Cersei several times why it was important to keep the Tyrell's close, and he respected them as partners (though the junior partner).
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    "What If" turnings points in the show

    Your answer is "who knows" but that's what I'm asking people to speculate on. There's also several other plot points to choose from, if you don't find those interesting.
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    Was Margaery actually the best at ruling?

    What I'm saying is that Tywin basically was King while Tommen was on the throne, and Margaery was Queen.
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    Was Margaery actually the best at ruling?

    So, pretty close to what we had before the Lannisters messed it all up with Tyrion's trial and Cersei going crazy.
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    "What If" turnings points in the show

    You're ignoring the premise of the thread. "We are NOT discussing how the showrunners would have proceeded differently. We're thinking of this in-universe, as if this was a real world and we were talking alternative history timelines."
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