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On 2/17/2021 at 7:38 PM, BlackLightning said:

How do you know? And where are your spoiler tags?

Im one of those pessimistic guys that think GRRM is 72yo and very obese, also his writing as of recent is really slow, so at best i see just TWOW published. 

let me spoil it for you guys, nothing from what happened in the show will be in the books... because there will be no books

3 hours ago, Timm said:

Fair comment.

But my point was not about the end point for the characters, but about the future of the Stark house itself.

Little points:

- I think anyone who enjoys seeing their serial rapist eaten by dogs might be said to be mentally and emotionally scarred (the dogs are irrelevant here, she has suffered horror). - Jon may have Stark blood, but he is still a bastard in the public eye (unless there are proper records / witnesses to the annulment from Elia and the marriage to Lyanna*). - Many think that "A Time for Wolves was intended to be ambiguous; did it refer only to the Starks, or also / only to actual wild animals in the same way as A Feast for Crows, that is, a bad outcome for all humans.

*I suppose that the word of the King Robot may be enough. But Jon is now a Queenslayer, pretty much a Kinslayer and a socially disgraced member of the Night's Watch. The chances of him siring an acceptable heir appear vanishingly small.

Well my view is different:

All of them but Bran can continue house Stark technically.
Sansa might be scarred but time heals.
Arya could decide to do whatever she wants, she might even come back to Westeros with a foreign man that she loves.
Nobody(except for the people who made him do it) knew that Jon is a kinslayer(one of the bigger sins in the world of Ice and Fire) and for the public he just murdered Daenerys, the mad queen, who burned 500k people and basically was a tyrant going crazy with dragon...

To me it seems the future of house Stark is very bright... in fact they are ruling over the whole of Westeros(Jon - king beyond the wall, Sansa - Queen of the North, Bran - King of the 6 kingdoms, and even Arya - exploring whats west of Westeros(basically becoming Columbus).

3 hours ago, Timm said:

I'm sure this has already been mentioned, but the show did quite, emphatically (and probably accidentally) make it clear that events have finished off the Stark lineage. Rob dead. Rickon dead. The Last of the Starks are Arya - sailing away from love and marriage. Sansa - traumatised and no love interest on the horizon. Bran (won't be having kids). Jon goes not count.

The Starks may have "won", but it is a pyrrhic victory if there is no heir. That is the way their line ends - not with fire, not with ice, but without issue.

As to what this means for the books? Well, I think much of a Dream of Spring is the pressure on Sansa to produce an heir, much like there was for Elizabeth I.

 

As far as i can see Starks got a pretty happy ending:
- Arya doing whatever she want to do
- Sansa - Queen also not sure what do you mean by traumatized, she was smiling when Ramsey died
- Jon - he counts?
- Bran - King robot..

DoS older name was "A Time for Wolves" - so you have to imagine that in general Starks will have a decent finish. Anyway...

I think the facts like:

Jon is the son of L+R
Bran is king
Daenerys goes dark
Jon kills Daenerys

Will be how the story unfolds in the books as well. Yes of course it will be a nice story(nothing like the show), my problem with it is that i know it will happen now... and im not really sure if i will like a story where i know the ending.

Its like a NBA or football game - if you see the score before the game its never the same...