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Agree with Lord Elrosir's response almost completely. I thought this episode was spectacular.

I am pretty sure his will can become known postmortem.

There's no such thing as putting too much weight on the book.

Wrong.

Rosalind was all wrong. She wasn't sad or nervous at all really.

Focusing on Rob and Talisa vs Rob and Cat changed the scene and somehow, though gripping and shocking, was not as emotionally horrific as Cat's POV in the book.

I loved the episode but it just doesn't come close to the emotional punch the scene packed in the book.

You don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you know it is coming this time?

Maybe Rosalind doesn't know on the show? I would actually like that change.

Gave it a 8, took a few points off for Catelyn not clawing her face to ribbons and for the way Grey Wind was handled.

A few points for that? Seems harsh for a great episode if changing such minor items takes you from a 10 to an 8?

This was phenomenal. Every scene was worthwhile. It was anticlimactic knowing what would happen, but how can that be helped? The entire episode was extremely well done. Walder Frey could not have been played better.

10 best episode of the season. Not a single scene felt contrived or unnecessary.

LOL - Did you really read the books? I don't really want to spoil non-book readers, but you got all 3 wrong.

How was he wrong in saying that Robb was killed by the Freys plotting with the Lannisters? Cause he forgot to include the Boltons?

EDIT: And this thread has BOOK SPOILERS in the title. I think them reading that Robb is killed would already have spoiled them.

Much better than last week.

Eh I have to be totally honest.. As far as I am concerned Tyrion has always been dedicated to his family because he is innately loyal, reluctantly so. He is ridiculed, scorned... and I see an affinity with Sansa. I do not in any way see him as her jailer. He is intelligent & realizes what can & cannot be accomplished. He makes the best of the situation at hand. Tyrion is diligent, strategic & tragic. His entire life would be the equivalent to present-day therapy/medication methods. I think his actions have always been admirable & respectable. Most other people in his situation would've discussed his concerns & regrets towards Sansa after bedding her. Tyrion didn't bed her. The sexual deviant he is held back from his urges. That, in itself, speaks volumes.

Book, show, or both?

Exactly, she made her point. Any further and the audience would have hated her. I thought it was handled well.

I agree. That scene was done very well for how the show is. Show Tyrion is a much more beloved character than book Tyrion and Sansa's situation may be forgotten from when she used to be Joff's torture pet. If the scene was done like the books she would seem far too bitchy.

speaking as a non-reader, I am surprised by how much I'm rooting for the Lannisters at this point, or at least for Tyrion and especially Jaime now, compared to how I felt after Season 1 (and even the very first episode).

So far, Tyrion is pretty much the hero of the show. I really dislike him in the books.

Gave this episode a 7, worst of the season IMO and I usually like slower paced shows.

Skagos.

Ha!

He is still with them right now, but goes to Skagos with Asha (who I don't really like).

Worst and most boring episode of the season thus far.

Not a change really is it? Theon's POV describe what happened to him and it seems pretty much in line with the show action

It was not live or onscreen in the books though.

Godric..I'm pretty sure it's a faceless man thing. I don't remember ever reading someone saying it in Westeros that wasn't Jaqen.

Free Cities saying, not Westeros.

Just a random book reader question this episode brought up: is Valar Morghulis a widely common phrase in the free cities? Or one specifically used by the Faceless Men? It was strange to hear Melisandre and Thoros saying it. But I could be incorrectly attributing it just to the Faceless Men. I know Dany hears it too, but I didn't think it was a common greeting..

Pretty sure it is at least somewhat common as is valar dohaeris.

Same here- foreshadowing her being a Faceless Man.

Duh! I was thinking she saw all the people she was going to kill in her eyes, but that makes way more sense.

I'm wondering about the whitewashing of Cersei too. Laying everything at Joffrey's door will certainly make the TV audience hate him more (as if we need any more reason after tonight) but what about when we really need to hate Cersei? Humanizing her is taking place too soon, IMO.

One thing about the Mandon Moore order being put down to Joffrey- I've always been convinced that LF was behind that. Now with Ros, we have a proved connection between LF and Joff.

Also, am I the only one who has complete confidence that Davos will save Gendry?

I still think that Tyrion's whitewashing is much more severe and I will be extremely surprised if he kills Shae.

Bryan Cogman stated in an interview or on Winteriscoming.net that Loras and Margaery are the only Tyrell kids for now (meaning they can add other Tyrell sons in later if need be), but this episode seemed to rule it out, by Tywin stating that if Loras were Kingsguarded, then succession would fall to Joffrey and Margaery's children. It seemed to rule out any other Tyrell children.

Hahaha, when Robb was all, "We're winning every battle, but we're losing this war" I wanted someone to scream at him "And whose fault is that, asshole?!"

Edmure? Catelyn?

To be honest I was never crazy about the density of prophecies in the series, even though they're arguably such a huge part of it and they're handled better than 90% of the prophecies in other fictional works. The show slimming them down or downplaying them until they're needed is a big improvement for me, personally, but I can see how the more analytical fans who have fun picking them apart and examining every angle would feel a little cheated.

:agree:

Is anybody else slightly concerned with how many new scenes have been added in? Most of them have been incredibly done and obviously they don't want the show to be exactly the same as the books, but I feel like they're taking a lot of the mystery out of characters like Littlefinger, Varys and Olenna, who we still don't know a lot about at the end of the fifth book

You may be right about them taking some of the mystery out of those three. But maybe not everything is as it appears on the show?

So far it looks like Margaery is making all nice with her king. I don't think watchers could expect the Purple Wedding at all.

I may be completely off here, but did Tywin just imply to Ceresi he may have a part in the purple wedding? He said something along the lines of how he will control Joff, and then it cuts to a scene with the QoT who obviously plays a huge part in it...

Perhaps this would also be a way for him to pin this on his son and get Tyrion out of the picture as well?

He does not need a premise to get Tyrion out of the picture.

I am not arguing that, instead I am mentioning about how that quite likely will be the reaction by a number of fans. Moreover, there is the issue of how Loros being so obviously gay drops the tragedy that Sansa might have found someone who could actually love her in regards to that plot.

Yea. It would help if they didn't make Tyrion SOOOOOOOOOOO much more lovable in the show.

I was just thinking that LF will kill her off like he did with Dontos. She'll help smuggle Sansa and bam! murdered.

That would work pretty well if he knows she is reporting to Varys.