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Elegant Woes

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  1. Elegant Woes

    [TV Show Spoilers] A theory about the ending.

    Personally I don't like the idea of innocent people, especially children dying because of the actions of their family members. I hate it that poor and sweet children like Tommen and Myrcella need to be killed just because they are product of incest and how awful their mother is. And yet George going through with this. So if they have to be punished despite doing absolutely nothing, then Tyrion, who did a lot of wrong, should be punished too. Though with that said, unlike Cersei, Jaime, Myrcella and Tommen, Tyrion will probably not die. He will be send to the wall - with his tongue cut out.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    I think you guys should read this thread. It goes into great detail that the mistakes both Sansa and Ned made weren't that much different.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    Since Sansa has a habit of rewriting traumatic events I don't think it would have made a difference.
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    [TWOW Spoilers] Alayne I, v. 3

    Jon kind of digs Satin however it's not because of his curls but because of his sweet voice.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    @Greywater-Watch Why is it so hard to accept that, perhaps, there's nuance to Sansa in AGOT and that Ned isn't the paragon of virtue that we perceive him to be. Because no matter how you look at it Ned's behavior to Sansa is quite problematic.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    Another important note we should keep in mind when it comes to Joffrey Sansa is applying the same mindset she tried with Tyrion in ASOS: Instead of seeing Sansa as this spoiled little brat, try to understand she's a child who is desperately trying to cope with the fact she's about to marry a monster. It was easier for her to blame Arya instead of Joffrey. Completely understandable, but still not right.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    @teej6 You're taking my comment completely out of context. I've never excused Sansa's behavior, I only explain it. At first glance Sansa's actions do seem very unsympathetic, but when you take certain things into account, then your take on Sansa will change. First of to understand the nuance to Sansa in AGOT you need to keep one thing in mind. Sansa isn't your typical teenager you see nowadays, she's a noble lady. Most of actions in AGOT could be explained if you take that into account. If are wondering to what extent I suggest you read this post, it explains it so much better than I ever could.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    @kissdbyfire On second thought that line does sound weird, but in my defense I initially found Sansa an odd ball when I read AGOT. When I read her very first chapter for the first time, especially the first page, it made me feel uncomfortable how over the top her characteristics were. At that time I thought she genuinely was one dimensional. Now when I reread her AGOT chapters I just think she's funny.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    @teej6 Just because Sansa was unsympathetic in AGOT doesn't mean there's no nuance to her behavior. It might not seem that way because of the borderline caricature way George initially writes her chapters, but there's so much more complexity to her situation then people give her credit for, and that becomes more apparent with each book. Her behavior and way of thinking in ACOK and ASOS brings an interesting light on her actions in AGOT that makes it more sympathetic than it was before. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if George is doing that deliberately. There's a reason why he was surprised by the vitriol hatred she got right after AGOT. We see that how he does it with certain characters in the opposite way. Let's take Tyrion for example. At first he seems like a really good guy in AGOT, ACOK and ASOS, but after he becomes much darker in ADWD you see him in a different light and that makes you realize that Tyrion was awful from day one, but we never saw that way, because of the sympathetic way he was written.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    I misremembered your words and corrected it. Technically you are right, but in Sansa's case I disagree.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    You said Sansa was not good at it (horse riding). That's why I said it was a straw man. Being better doesn't automatically mean the person in comparison is not good in it.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    It does have to do with Ned's parenting. In her very first chapter Sansa is jealous of the relationship of Arya and Ned. Despite the fact that she's disobedient Ned never punishes Arya and instead dotes on her. Whereas Sansa who is obedient all the time doesn't get a fraction of the attention Arya does. And that becomes even more apparent when they get to king's Landing. Ned doesn't sit down with her and talk about the fact they are surrounded by enemies just like he did with Arya. In fact he prefers to keep her ignorant as long as possible (when he gets mad at Sansa being there when he holds court). He allows Arya to get what she wants (taking Syrio with them and allowing them to have one last lesson before leaving) when she isn't allowed to say goodbye to Joffrey. That is why she went to Cersei in the first place. In her mind Arya, who is disobedient all the time, gets rewarded, whereas she, who is obedient all the time, gets punished. In her mind it isn't fair. That is why Sansa repeatedly compares herself to Arya in her fourth chapter. She decided to be wicked for the first time, because why not? Since Arya can get away with anything, why can't she too? So yes even in her 'betrayal' Ned is still somewhat responsible. Had he been fair in dishing out punishments when it came to his daughters or even sat down Sansa about what was going on then none of it would have happened. @sweetsunray Your comment about Sansa's riding skills came after mine.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    Just because Arya is better doesn't automatically mean Sansa is bad at it. That's a straw man. If she can keep up with skilled riders as Joffrey and Margaery then she must be above average in terms of skill. Same goes for sums. She runs into no trouble as the acting lady of the Eyrie.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    You know they will go more nuts after he's resurrected. Jon is bound to get darker and it will be used against him.
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    Sansa's betrayal consequences partly overestimated?

    You are most likely right. With that said I wouldn't be surprised there were some readers who did believe that.
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