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  1. Yes she is capable of playing the meek submissive simpleton. That doesn't mean she's genuinely like that. While Sansa is overall a kind, polite, and gentle girl who is not quick to get angry, she still has a temper, and that temper resurfaces a couple of times throughout the series (i.e when Arya throws a blood orange in her face and ruins her betrothal gift, when Joffrey taunts her about how he will kill Robb, when little Robert destroys her snow replica of Winterfell). Sansa not kneeling is just another example of that she has a threshold. Sansa not kneeling is not a sign she's mean. It just mean she's human. By denying her of this you are saying you have an issue with Sansa being a multifaceted character.
  2. So what if Sansa was a mean girl to Tyrion? Don't you think her response was valid? If not then, pray tell, what is the appropriate way to respond to a man twice your age who is forcibly marrying you? To be clear I am not attacking you. I am just curious about what you think is the right course of action that Sansa should take.
  3. I think when we talk about the not kneeling part we do not take the situation in consideration. This is what happened before the changing of the cloaks began: Everyone at the wedding chose to ignore the fact that Sansa was pitifully crying - including Tyrion. He alongside everyone else never took her feelings into consideration. This is why she thinks this a couple lines later: Sansa makes a valid point here. Why on earth should she care about Tyrion's feelings when he cannot extent the same courtesy to her. He didn't care about how she stood there crying therefore she's not obligated to care about his humiliation. It's all about reciprocity. Giving back what was given to you. Tyrion chose to be insensitive to her so Sansa was insensitive back. If anyone thinks that Sansa didn't have to fight fire with fire then I have to ask you. Why are we expecting a twelve year old child to be the bigger person to twenty-six year old man who is forcibly marrying her? Is her anger not valid? Doesn't she also have her dignity?
  4. I am 100% sure that Aegon will marry Arianne. The biggest problem Aegon will face is people, particularly his enemies, questioning his identity as the real Aegon Targaryen and therefore his right to rule Westeros. The best way to combat that is to gain the approval and the backing of the Martell family.
  5. He will live and stay the Lord of the Vale for a very long time. Harry is the more likely person to die.
  6. I don't see Jon and Dany happening. If this story was your typical medieval fantasy story written by someone else then sure, but this isn't your typical medieval fantasy book, and nor is GRRM your typical writer. GRRM deconstructs the medieval fantasy archetypes and story lines and reconstructs them into something you wouldn't expect. Based on that Jon and Dany is highly impossible. If anything they are more likely to end up as enemies than lovers.
  7. I don't see why Dany is the highest contender to be Jon's lover, because ADWD highlights how incompatible these two would be. Also incest is incest. You can't make exception just because Dany and Jon are tropey enough to end up together in the typical fantasy novel. If anything that is a slight against them. GRRM isn't writing your typical story. He likes to give a twist to cliché story lines and archetypes. Dany and Jon are more likely to be enemies who hate each other's guts than lovers and allies. ADWD proves just that.
  8. And you think what? Sansa went to plead for Ned's behalf just for herself? If Sansa was truly submissive she would have kept her mouth shut and done nothing. Instead she went out of her way to risk her own life and reputation by sympathizing and defending a traitor like Ned. And you know that this is an act of defiance because in her fourth AGOT chapter Sansa really doesn't like disappointing Cersei like the good child she is, but in her fifth chapter she does that, she disappoints Cersei, but at this point Sansa doesn't care. Her father is just more important to her.
  9. @Thunder Bunny-3000 So that's what we gonna call Sansa's plan to keep war from breaking out? Willful and ignorant? Yes how awful of her of not wanting her family members and soldiers to die. Also Sansa's plan to keep Ned safe worked. While Cersei had motives of her own she didn't want Ned to die and Sansa pleading on his behalf gave her the excuse she needed not to kill him. It's not Sansa's fault that Joffrey was sadistic enough to call for her father's head. You are blaming her for rather ridiculous things.
  10. Except both Jon and Arya's situation in Harrenhal and among the Wildlings isn't that much different from Sansa's situation in King's Landing. They don't react the way you expect them to. Arya learns to keep her mouth shut as cupbearer for Roose Bolton. Jon is coerced into having sex with Ygritte in order to hide his true intentions. Sounds to me they are just as capable to use Sansa's tactics.
  11. Well Sansa does fancy herself as Queen Naerys. We shouldn't be surprised she likes gallant and heroic guys who are part of celibate institutions. She wants her own Prince Aemon the dragon knight
  12. And yet Sansa had a crush on him when Waymar and his father visited Winterfell while they were on their way to Castle Black. She even goes as far to describe it as "wildly falling in love". Her current crush is Loras, the youngest son of Mace Tyrell, who is nowhere near in line to become Warden of the South.
  13. @John Suburbs Of course Sansa will not outright defy her captors. She will get beaten because of it. We see that in her last AGOT chapter where Sansa says she hates Joffrey and how Robb will defeat him in mortal combat and behead him. What does that earn her? Two back handed slaps that results in an internal ear bleeding and a busted lip. Surely you aren't expecting Sansa to continue this behavior right? Do you want her to die? Keeping your mouth shut and going along with them is the smartest thing to do. However just because Sansa's agency is limited she does try to fight back in any way she can. This is exactly why I asked whether you have read her chapters carefully. I didn't mean to sound snotty. I am just asking in the most kindest and politest way whether you have actually read Sansa's chapters. Because if you did you would know that most of Sansa's defiance is internal. Sansa thinks this after Sandor says his usual cynical and nihilistic nonsense. Instead of caving in to his beliefs Sansa rejects it and sticks to her own morals and belief. This is Sansa defying. Despite just enduring a brutal beating Sansa continues to belief in chivalry and knighthood and that there are good knights out there. f this isn't an example of fiercely defying than I don't know what is. Sansa literally says flat out no to a woman she once upon a time admired. Once again, this is defiance. I could go on and on, but I think I have made my point clear. Sansa no less fierce and aggressive in her morals and beliefs than her siblings. However you just don't notice them because Sansa's type of defiance is not very obvious. Sansa shows she is hero by staying gentle and kind. Every act of mercy Sansa shows (to Dontos, the woman in the riot, Lollys, and Lancel) is an act of defiance to her enemies and abusers. Sansa quite literally says no to the cycle of abuse at the age of twelve. If you can't see how baddass that is then I can't help you. Either you can appreciate the unique hero Sansa is or ignore her.
  14. There seems to be some misinformation here. What GRRM does is not subverting expectations, he is subverting tropes - a big difference.
  15. @John Suburbs We have already explained to you why Sansa doesn't think of her family often. Not dwelling on memories and those she loves and cares about is her way to cope with trauma. You would know this if you carefully took the time to read Sansa's chapters.
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